Hey! We are putting up this thread for anyone who wants to discuss the upcoming build — speculate, throw ideas, share memes, whatever you want!
If you want to check Build 0.3's lore drops, Lanwolf96 compiled it all here.
I completely agree.
I am allowed to inform you that in build 0.3 the player can incidentally sniff the bull one (1) time.
ooooh... sounds fun
I second all of the above. I'm itching to know too.
Now that i thinking about it . There is one person in greek mythos who match Jean perfectly that would actually want to help the Hotel without wanting to gain anything from it , Hermes . Could just be a coincidence .
Erm.. Not sure that's such a good idea given the history of abuse between Argos and Asterion and Asterion being terrified of even going near him (for very good reason). Argos' whole reason for existence is to torture Asterion
Highly unlikely. Considering that the only route will be Asterion's. Said so by Minoh.
i said sex not romancable route
what a chad fucking answer
no, sadly the MC won't fuck or romance the other guests. It would bloat the scope of the game WAY too much. You can get some of the guests to hook up with each other, though!
It's Article 4!
Oh, thank you! :)
Yes, about that... for some reason, Article 4 doesn't say anymore what the MC says it says. I seem to remember, on my very first playthrough of the previous build, it did say that Argos could inspect the hotel premises. But on all subsequent playthroughs, that section is suddenly missing from Article 4. Is that just me? Could that be a bug? Like, once the MC calls Argos out, Article 4 is changed, even for unrelated future playthroughs?
This is the article in question. The statement that causes trouble is the "The Master and Foreman are symmetrically bound this Article, including but not limited to not using Hestia's Mirror to bring harm to the Foreman."
Is it possible you are overlooking this particular sentence?
Regardless, I'll check this out in-game as soon as possible. Thank you for bringing it up to us.
Ah, I see now. I thought it had been stated more explicitly in my first playthrough, as in: outright saying Argos could inspect the hotel grounds. But I must have remembered it wrong. Sorry for the trouble!
What background is the more developed? The Arts one?
Right now the Humanities, Arts and Speedrunner backgrounds are the ones with the most unique content. The Leader background has some overlap with Humanities. Humanities and Leader can trick Argos, Arts can talk with Asterion about Notre Dame in Build 0.2 and Speedrunner can make a medallion for him — which, although amateurish, is appreciated and cherished.
We are looking into adding some time to shine to one background per build. You can expect to see Math, Tech and Leader having some special moments in the upcoming content.
I had a thought and it brought a quite persistant doubt to my mind that refused to be left alone. Asterion's wine heals him, however in Ch 2 he uses the last bottle. What are we going to do if he gets hurt and needs the wine? Supposedly that was the last bottle, and Clement was thorough in destroying the others.... Also it seems I found a bug in the humanities route, Asterion remains naked after summoning him clothes, though apparently it said he changed clothes.
Thank you for your input.
I do think the lore drops are a nice addition, I'd like to read all of them eventually. Though it's easy to "reroll" and see any one you want by saving and loading right before the point where you obtain the drop, but that's not really a big deal imo.
Although it may sound counterintuitive, even if we didn't intend that I consider that a good unintentional feature. We didn't have to pack the game with so many lore drops this early but everyone's cooped up at home, so adding in more stuff to give the game more shelf life felt like the morally correct thing to do — I think we can all use some fun and distractions. At the same time I personally think making the player replay the game twenty times from scratch to see it all is a bad thing.
Being able to reroll easily/abuse/exploit the system for now is good thing, then. There's extra content but the player doesn't have to throw hours at it. We might fix that later, but for now I'm glad that's possible. Thank you for bringing this up, by the way — I wasn't aware that was possible.
Hey Fenris, I'm very happy to see you enjoyed the update!
The rankings depend on you good (or bad) you've been to Asterion. It's a little more clear now (I hope) with the line bar: as your affection increases you go from calf, to snake, to peacock. Within those you get bronze, silver, gold and platinum as you go up, with Great and Grand indicating if you're halfway between these.
If you've been a very uncaring master you go past below calf and start earning points in the opposite direction, that's when your ranking changes from Great/Grand to Fearsome/Ruthless. So, Fearsome Silver Snake is lower than Grand Gold Calf, which is lower than Great Silver Snake. It's a little confusing but it's a fun way for us to track how affectionate players are being to Asterion on averagem, as opposed to printing a number on screen and telling you to remember it and write it down on the survey.
Or the Sims! Pokemon would probably hit too close home, considering you capture them...
BTW, is it normal or unlucky if I get 1 Mementons(Sixteenth Tablet: Ritual) only, other than the Wine bottle and Internet Access?
That's an idea to consider! I will talk about it with the rest of the team. Thank you.
We had a lot of fun writing that Argos scene, and thank you :)
When you prepare a document, if you want to discuss it with others you could start a thread here in the game's page and I could have it pinned.
Agreed, Argos' "what the heck" face when you trick him is priceless. And his attitude afterward is also nice. Makes him a little harder to dislike, which is a good trait, I think.
There you go!
Thank you. I'm on android so if it was on the thread it didn't show before. Looks wonderfully gorgeous. And those big moo pecs, makes me want to bury my face on those glorious pecs of his...
Thank you for mentioning it! So far you are the third person who has stumbled on this bug. We were informed of it shortly after releasing the build so nanoff ran off to fix it — the currently available build should be free of this issue.
When did you download the game? Was it on the night it came out?
Yes, gold is the max now.
I keep trying to get the max, but I keep ending up with Great Silver Peacock. What do I have to do to get the max?! Can someone help?
I got gold after I replay and didn't keep asking for him to talk to much about something. But I am not sure with in the 2nd or 3rd part of it. Maybe this is some before choose to make his fur white. I think if you ask for more info the second or third time you lost one. Well, if you send him to the valley a single time the same happen.
I do not think this is need but try to get the snake tricked. So he act so weird happy. If not with medals it may help in the next update.
Getting the right contract paragraph and the offer to gods in the hotel.
Don't tell the guests he is the hotel keeper.
Hello sangre- yes, great or grand gold peacock is the best rating you can get currently.
On the first two chapters you have to get 4 out of 6 and then 2 out of 3 choices correctly to increase your score, but it's difficult to fuck it up honestly, just be considerate and you'll be fine. A big no-no you should avoid is helping him with the bath though, he won't appreciate it.
Don't send asterion out to the valley of course, after encountering Argos you get the option to comfort asterion if you've been nice to him, needless to say do it, and promise not to send him to the valley.
On chapter 4 players with the arts background get an extra interaction about Notre Dame that raises the score a little.
When you choose clothes for asterion, don't dress him undecently. There's plenty of alternate dialogue if you choose the loincloth and try to bullshit him about how it's back in style (or not and just force him to wear it anyway) but he'll quickly catch on that you were lying when Luke or Kota come to the hotel, and won't be happy about it.
Don't keep asking about how he was tortured.
As for fur color. you should ask Asterion what color he'd rather be at first, but after that whatever color you choose won't change your score.
You should intervene in the argument between Kota and Luke, and introduce Asterion as either "our fine host", or "a man."
When giving Asterion an accessory, players with the speedrunner background get a third option that raises the score a little more than the other two.
Again, don't send sterion to the labyrinth either time. Your score will get even worse if you promised not to do it before, and even further if you insist on Asterion sticking around when you go to the valley together.
Asterion should be in the R&D team when the internet project gets completed.
The one point in which your score really matters is what outcome you get by the end of build 0.3, which will come into play in 0.4:
-> if you never sent asterion out and got a peacock rank or higher, Asterion will be happy but somewhat melancholic about whether you will stick to being this good to him
-> if you sent asterion once but really did your best to make up for it, or never sent him out but didn't score high enough, Asterion will be optimistic about your term as master and looking forward to having an amicable partnership with you.
-> if you sent asterion twice or more, or just once and never made up for it, Asterion will have a panic attack and shut down emotionally
So- you're on the right track, don't worry too much about it. To be honest the score is not super important, it's a good indicator for us to know where players stand at the end of each build on average. I still appreciate that you enjoyed the game enough to give it more than one go, so thank you.
Thank you so much for the help, I managed to get Great Gold Peacock and Grand Gold Peacock when I chose the Arts background, which raised the score. By the way, I absolutely love Minotaur Hotel, it’s by far my favorite visual novel. Keep up the great work and I cannot WAIT for Build 0.4!
You have your heart in the right place, you're a good guy. If it makes things more palatable for you, the knowledge of the bad that could happen will make the good that will happen all the sweeter.
This sounds like a fun time. I need to see this route for myself. So I just need to send Asterion to valley, fail the snake trials, fail the research and bully the bull.
I was going to ask here about what would happen if you make him go out there. I just can't bring myself to doing it. Thanks for telling, now I can simply enjoy helping Asterion heal instead. I love the game too <3
I sent him 3 times to the valley. The 1st time is the only one rough. You only going to see the most effect in the end of this 0.3 update after get the wine. I think. (Maybe I played Echo too much and end insane... =@.@= )
But I saw 4 different versions of it depending of how many times you send he out and when.
You will lost medals in the like record showed in the end of the last update for each time you sent him to the valley.
Remember that you have different reactions from the snack guy too if you get the right artigle and some other stuff right It is kind comical.
The snake is really precious, actually. He's clearly a bad guy, but with his attitude and the way he reacts to being tricked... I look forward to seeing him even so. I hope you can trick him all through the game and get that "what the hell, I've been fooled!" expression often! :)
Thank you very much for your feedback Hakeet, it's not irritable at all.
I totally understand preferring Asterion's half healed form, since we spend the major part of two builds with it. I was concerned that players would get too attached to it by the time we rolled out the fully healed sprites, but you guys only got like 10 minutes with the new look and I hope as time goes on they end up growing on people. So your feedback has me optimistic! Hope you enjoy 0.4 when we put it out. Eventually.
I may have gotten my hopes up with this small interaction >.>
Eh, why though? The guy is wearing Asterion's pelt as he interacts with us, which you can bet he personally and painfully skinned off of Asterion. He is happy to have a crafty master because he's convinced we'll switch to his side eventually because it's the "righteous" thing to do. Hell, even his acceptance of being tricked could easily be an act to make us like him more - Play as a Leader or Humanities background and when you meet him the second time, he tries a very good sob story because you outfoxed him so hard on the first contract, proving he's not above some decent acting.
Hmm, maybe I'll make a whole discussion thread for Argos, I'm curious to hear more from his fans, and to just chat about him in detail.
Edit: Urgh, my browser crashed about 4 big paragraphs deep on such a post, so nevermind giving him his own thread. I suppose we can just keep it here in the build discussion page instead.
a Crash while 4 paragraphs in. Oh God ....I know that pain.
And yes, i was wondering, since his pelt was originally white, and... yeah, ow... That indeed sounds painful. Well, was he 'ordered' to do that, or is it his own fathom? I assume it's his own idea, and that kind of craftiness can have it's usefulness.
Albiet... I'm not personally into that kind of torture, some people are... but I'd rather repurpose it to something else, or at least, depending on guests, depending on storyline, depending on circumstances, could utilize the valley for other things, training purposes with the inhuman monsterosities, bondage ideas.... I mean hey, he worships Gods of the greeks, Aphrodite had a few wild moments.
Of course, this seems to be geared towards M/M so I'm not asking for some insane venom based herm bovine transmogrification or anything... I'll leave that to Fenoxo. Haha.
I'll keep brainstorming about things you can do with the serpent, agony and deceit are only two principle aspects. Emotional manipulation and so on, and..well, there's so many options for how to 'fuck with people', just because I personally prefer the lighter hearted aspects well, that's just 1 path I think you could trick the snake into. Maybe even sign him into the hotel's service but on a tighter leash. . .
This probably won't end well if I'm being honest with myself, but eh, I'm an optimist.
Argos on a leash... now there's an idea <<
I suppose he's trapped himself in this forever hell of doing unspeakable things all the time. While he obviously likes to think of new and exciting ways to horrify/torture Asterion being able to manipulate the snake into doing some humiliating stuff would be interesting as well.
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Hello! Thank you for writing your thoughts in such an organised fashion. It's very helpful to us when people dedicate time of their day to lay down what they think and how the story can be improved.
Keeping in mind I don't want to spoil future events in the story, I can offer a few details that will contextualise some things.
Regarding the fact that the player character (PC) doesn't do much beyond being a decent person... Yes! That's absolutely true and intentional. It may sound weird, but that was our intention. There's a reason though, and it goes to how we wanted to portray the PC and his growing relation with Asterion. It's because, assuming the player hasn't gone out of his way to be mean, the PC will be consistently characterized as a thoroughly ethical person above all else. That's one of his defining traits, alongside with being a good manager/leader.
This is why there is such a thing as a "bad" route. The branching point is whether or not the PC is ethical, whether or not the player will choose to perpetuate a cycle of abuse or do the bare minimum to be a decent human being. We felt that without this the story as a whole would be incomplete, and if the player has the choice to refrain from seeing what's in the bad route that would make his choice to do the right thing make impactful.
throughout the game it feels like the protagonist gets a lot of back patting just for not outright abusing him. It makes sense coming from Asterion, but there are times when the protagonist's behavior doesn't really seem to acknowledge the low standard.
And you are right! Do keep in mind, however, this is part of the PC's arc and the plot as a whole. As the story progresses — and I am including the next build here — we will see the PC's actions shifting a bit from "just being a decent person" to "going out of his way and making sacrifices to do what is right". This relates to the growing friendship between the two of them — as the PC thinks more dearly of Asterion he will become proportionally proactive and invested in securing his well-being.
About the last two points you raised, I will refrain from saying much now but I will assure you we take them into consideration. About Asterion's sprite in particular... That one was one of the first sprites we did and we do know it might not look as good for a number of players. But before we make any decision on it we want to get build 0.4 out to see if player perception will change.
I hope this addressed some of your criticism. To a certain extent these are issues we already estimated and planned for, but as we go along we keep tweaking things here and there so we are on the right course and your points absolutely help in figuring out how to fine tune the story. Thank you for your time and I hope you'll enjoy what we have in store.
I guess my point is that the things that come with the PC being an 'ethical' person thus far aren't really any different from what I'd honestly expect from a random person off the street. The piece that I feel is missing is internal monologue to the effect of 'man, all I did was invite him to eat breakfast with me and he's acting like I parted the red sea, this is kinda fucked up.' Like, some of the early romantic overtures from Asterion were genuinely sweet, but they perhaps should feel a little offputting with where he's coming from. The expedition was definitely a step in the right direction, and the other stuff you mentioned sounds good!
As far as less important things, this might be specific to the humanities route but the random UN stanning kinda felt like it came out of nowhere? Critique of the organization aside, it makes the protagonist come across as a bit of a naive ivory tower dork. Though, actually I suppose that scans for the 'humanities' stereotype. Similarly, I think Asterion speaking so fondly of being in a 'border patrol' probably came across a bit more politically charged than intended- not that I think that was on purpose, but it was a bit of a 'wait, what?' moment.
He and his two other buddies are getting added to build 0.4, we already have some scenes featuring them written and I think you guys will like them!
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