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A topic by leafo created Nov 22, 2019 Views: 5,079 Replies: 78
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Now that the Analogue Pocket has been released and people are starting to produce games in the ".pocket" format (which is similar but not the same as a Game Boy ROM in ".gb" or ".gbc" format). This is the only game format which can be loaded from the SD card on that hardware, all other games must be run through the physical cartridge slot.

Currently Itch.io has a featured tag for Game Boy ROM: "gameboy-rom".  The "-rom" part also helps differentiate from "Game Boy Styled" games which won't run on actual hardware.

It would be very helpful to have a similar featured tag to filter for games in the ".pocket" format.

Possible Tag names:

[Edit - The first two tags are starting to get used organically, with "Analogue-Pocket" being more popular so far]

  • "analogue-pocket"
  •  "analoguepocket"


  • "analogue-pocket-rom"
  • "analoguepocket-rom"
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Look at this. The "adventure" tag. Tags are so broken. Please, please I beg you - give me negative/exclusion filters. The site is completely unusable. I don't want to see 10 second horror demos or queer virtual novels ever again. Help me, itch.


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Really struggling to browse itch without the ability to exlude certain tags :(

add tag "Non visual novel" or "No visual novel"

Admin(+1)

Negative or exclusion tags will not be added, instead you can use a exclusion filter to prevent games that have that tag from appearing.

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Is there a post on this site to help me with this?


EDIT: how do i put this filter?

I think magical-girl would make sense to include, as the common term for a fairly popular theme.  There's a magical-realism tag, but while they have some overlap, they are definitely different things.  Currently 67 projects use magical-girl unofficially, vs. 112 for magical-realism.

I'm kind of struggling with duplicate tags.  There are several sets of tags that have very slightly different connotations, such that one project might justifiably want to use one tag but not another, and thus might not be considered candidates to merge; but in many cases, a project would want visibility from the whole set, because for that project, those tags all cover identical ground.  We only get ten slots for tags, so while I understand wanting to subdivide for the sake of precision, it is also frustrating to have to pick and choose between multiple extremely similar tags, knowing that search results will be split between all of them.

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Can we get acronyms to use a better description, spell out the words or put full name in parentheses. I ask the acronym only be used if the full name is too long. Diffrent parts of the community understand diffrent acronyms. Many are specific systems that the developers are familar with but the end users may not be. Personaly I did not recognize some of the system tags and many of the audio type tags. 

DOS    -->   Disk Operating System

FMV       -->  Full Motion Video

FPS    -->  First Person Shooter,  fps can also mean Frames per second

GBjam    -->  GameBoy-Jam

ggj15    -->  Global Game Jam 15

GM-less    -->  GameMaster-Less

MIDI    -->  Musical Instrument Digital Interface

moe    -->   Moe Game Awards

NES    -->  Nintendo Entertainment System

PtbA    -->  Powered by the Apocalypse

PSX    -->  Play Station X

VST    -->  Virtual Studio Technology 

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There is no mining or mine tag, there are a good number of games involving this.

Also can we get Brushes moved into Drawing or possible Art Game, there is only 1 entry.

Flight and Flying are the same in my mind, is there supposed to be a diffrence?

Can we get LGBT and LGBTQIT merged. I think we have a sub-tag for each component they include so there should be no need for 2 catch all types.

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I don't know if this is the place to fix this or if it already exists but whatever, is there a "heterosexual" tag or something where I can filter out homosexual games.

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funny, I want a tag like that so that I can exclude heterosexual romance from my searches lol

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Exclude tags. Add the option to exclude content you do not wish to see.

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Epilepsy-safe.


The ability to exclude animation. Because while it's possible to block animated gifs and animated pngs in browsers, if I open something in the app, and it runs an animated gif or animated png there, there's a seizure risk.


Tag + term searches.

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I, as the creator of sound assets, am deprived of the “sounds” tag

I think some sort of Endless puzzle tag should be added. I really like puzzle games but imho just the Puzzle tag doesn't quite cover the extensive genre.

Specifically an "Endless puzzle" tag would make the distinction between pre-defined level based puzzle games and random/endless puzzle games, so traditionally the "Sokoban" vs "Tetris" style games, so:

Admin(+1)

Do you think the combination of the Endless tag and the Puzzle genre isn’t enough to cover this case?

You're right, I hadn't noticed the Endless tag. You can search puzzle + endless but looks like not all devs have tagged their games like that.

Although I still think a tag like "Match-3" or "Tile matching" or "Pattern matching" or something like that would be appropriate. It's hard to pin down Tetris / PuyoPuyo games as a genre, but over the years it's become a genre unto itself.

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I have suggestions for two tags, but before I get to them I'd like to bring up a few things that give it context.

One of the most requested features on Itch is a more robust and intuitive way to exclude games based on tags. I imagine that it must be harder to do with the way Itch is coded than it would seem for us users, because I really do imagine it would have been implemented already if it was an easy task.

But, in the meantime, there's no robust exclusion feature. And I'm not sure, but I don't think we can exclude multiple tags at the same time.

That's the first part of the context. The second part is... If you take a look around Itch you'll see that LGBT and adult games do really well here. I work on adult LGBT games myself so of course I think that's great. In no small part this is because Itch's tagging system works exceedingly well for LGBT content, to such a degree I'd say it's a textbook example of good platform design for LGBT creators.

We have tags such as Gay, Lesbian, Yaoi, Yuri, Bara, Amare, Trans, LGBT, LGBTQIA, Queer... It gets to a point where we can even pick specific flavors of LGBT content. And that's great to me.

Another thing we have here is marking a game as NSFW in the metadata (which is different from using a tag) and tags like Adult, Erotic, etc that clearly denote there's adult sexual content. At the same time, while adult LGBT games can pick, let's say, Queer + Lesbian + LGBT + Adult in their tags, if your game focuses on straight content you only really have the Adult and Erotic tag.

In practice, game devs making heterosexual content use the Adult tag as their main tag to indicate their game has straight content. At the same time, LGBT game devs use Adult to indicate their LGBT games also has adult content. Which means that, in practice, there's no single tag that indicates "this is the place exclusively with heterosexual content".

Anyway, so far this system works well enough. It would work better if there was a robust exclusion feature, of course, because it'd make it easier to find games down to an even more specific point (games that have X and Y, and do not have Z). It would also make it easier for non-LGBT users who just don't want to be shown gay visual novels, which I sympathize a lot with because I and many others would love not to be shown Horror games. In general, I think it's great and ethical for platforms to give users features to let them exclude content they'd rather avoid.

Now... Again, this system works. But when we put all of these things together, a few issues pop up.

The first of them is that there's no single tag that indicates straight content, clearly and broadly. Aside from Adult and Erotic (which are used by LGBT devs too), there's Hentai (which is straight but also denotes anime content) and Eroge (which is not limited to straight content.)

If Itch had a robust tag exclusion feature, none of this would be an issue. Users could just check for Adult games without the LGBT tags (LGBT, Lesbian, Gay, Trans, etc) and they would be happy, knowing that the results would overwhelmingly be exclusively straight content. But we don't have that feature, and we don't have a tag for Straight content, and put together those two become an issue.

There are some issues with adding a Straight tag, but I'll get back to them later. Let's move to the second point I want to bring up, and this is the one I find the most important.

The second issue is that if you want games with bisexual content — either story-focused games where the protagonist is bisexual, adult games with partners of all possible genders, etc — you have nothing to really find them. If we had a Straight tag we'd be able to mix them all up — search for Gay, Lesbian and Straight at the same time to get the games with bisexual content — but that wouldn't work now because no one uses the "straight" tag.

Now, beyond that point of mixing tags pragmatically to find content, I think we should look at this with a more careful lens. I think we should really consider that, much like we are seeing Gay and Lesbian games doing great on Itch as their own little communities, the same could happen with games intently focused on Bisexuality as a topic. The "bisexual" tag has 31 games right now, which isn't bad at all! I think there are more games with bi content that just weren't tagged that way because there's no official tag for it.

As a game dev making adult content, our consensus when it comes to games with bisexual content is that there are significant differences with how they should be done -- they are different from gay games in how we introduce and manage the characters, what content should be mandatory or optional... Things are significantly different and require a different craftsmanship.

It's also worth bringing up that it's Pride Month now, which I think is a very auspicious moment to have this discussion. To an extent my suggestion is a pragmatic one -- how we can improve things given the lack of a robust exclusion feature. But there's something to be said about Itch having tags for Bisexual and Straight content too. I think it would make it a more welcoming place, and maybe make Itch more usable for the (many) people who (quite fairly) don't want to be shown LGBT visual novels all the time.

Now, I did mention I'd get back to a possible issue with the Straight tag. It's very simple: only 13 games use it, less than the "bisexual" tag, despite there being many more straight games. I know that the number of games using a tag is often considered for this argument. But even if there are few games with the "straight" tag I'd really recommend you guys consider it too. I think it might have a good snowball effect over time. And it would convey a very welcoming message, I think, that there's no reason for users to be mad because someone is making games they aren't into and, unwittingly, making it harder for them to find the games they want.

So, in summary: making a Bisexual and Straight tags would make things better, particularly in the absence of a robust exclusion system.

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I definitely concur with the reasons stated above for dedicated Straight and Bisexual tags. I'm producing a VN for release later this year with a cis male bisexual main character, but I hesitate to describe it as a "gay" VN specifically because I don't want potential players to be confused or annoyed when the female romances are initially presented. A bisexual tag would certainly help distinguish it from other games with queer content.

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I also support this. The current LGTB tags do an excellent job. As an LGTB creator myself, I'm very pleased and happy to be on this community. But I think that bisexual and straight tags would be a welcome addition. I'm also considering doing my second project with a bisexual protagonist, but haven't decided yet.

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So... First of all, what is the difference between the "Adult" and the "NSFW" tags? Why are they not merged?

Second... why is there no way to exclude or blacklist certain tags from search results?

I just recently looked for a solution, and it seems to be possible to exclude only one tag from the search results, by manually appending to the end of the URL for example ?exclude=tg.furry

However this only works while logged in, and can block only one tag, and that is just not good for me, and probably for many more people.

I'm not advocating against anything, I hate censorship and I totally support any kind of artistic freedom, but I'm a normal male, looking for normal adult games, and even tough I have totally no problem with the existence of any kind of alternative stuff, even I'm starting to find it tedious and annoying, that there is no way to only browse through normal adult games. What I mean is that my preferred search would be something like:

Exclude everything from my searches tagged with: furry, yuri, lesbian, gay, lgbt, lgbtqia, transgender, futa, futanari, femdom, female-protagonist

The ?exclude=tg. trick clearly does not work for this:

https://itch.io/games/newest/free/tag-adult?exclude=tg.furry,tg.yuri,tg.lesbian,...

https://itch.io/games/newest/free/tag-adult?exclude=tg.furry?exclude=tg.yuri?exc...

Also, even though there is a "straight" tag, which could be a solution for the problem, only very few developers use it, so it's practically useless.

Furthermore, I understand, that merging together all the alternative sexual fetish tags into one "not straight" tag wouldn't be a solution, because it would cause problems for those who are looking for a very specific alternative thing, so the only reasonable solution would be to add proper support for tag blacklisting or exclude tags, or any kind of similar feature, which actually works, unlike my two above mentioned links, which I took time to carefully craft, only to be faced with disappointment.

So... please, somebody tell me, what's the official standpoint of itch on excluding multiple tags from search results? Why do they not plan to implement it?

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Hi, thank you for all the good work! The tag “worldbuilding” covers at least 50 projects. I don’t know if that’s enough to suggest it, but that would be great.

(Also, can collections be tagged?)

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Can you merge the variants of the 'Hidden Object' genre? And if it qualifies for the criteria, add it as a suggested tag as well in the dropdown list?

It helps specify what type of puzzle game it is when some of them are built entirely on this mechanic. From experience, when I play Fresh/Featured/Popular puzzle games I do encounter them by chance (larger number than the tag use frequency would suggest), but they are difficult to find by search since the generic puzzle tag is used instead which is saturated.

  • hidden-object (124)
  • hidden (37)
  • hidden-objects (35)
  • hiddenobject (10)
  • hiddenobjects (3)

Combined: 209

I think that hidden-object is the correct tag, since the genre is normally known as 'Hidden Object Game' and there's also a 'Hidden Object' tag on Steam. 

Thanks in advance!

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I agree with it but I think math is a bit wrong. I am almost sure you didn't check if some games are in several of these tags at the same time...

And I really surprised that it wasn't merged yet...

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Thank you for the suggestion, “Hidden Object” is now a featured tag

As a creator who makes vtt battlemaps, there really is no category for them which makes them really hard to find. You could go a step further to identify perspective: top-down, isometric etc as well. Can I atleast get battlemap and vtt as searchable/recognized tags? and ttrpg as an alias of whatever normal tabletop-rpg tag is. I appreciate the consideration. Thanks.

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Hello, I'm Back!

I’d like to suggest the addition of the ‘Amare’ tag. We now have over 175+ games using it as a tag (To show that there is an audience for it) - https://itch.io/games/tag-amare 

I've also submitted a `Suggest description for this tag` as well but I have listed it below too. 

Description

"An inclusive term that describes relationship-focused Visual Novels and Interactive Fiction games that feature a wide range of diversity such as racial, religious, and LGBTQA+ as well as more."

Info

 For more information about the tag, you can read this blog post.  Thanks so much! :)

Not sure if this is still monitored, but it'd be good to have a "ROM" or "original hardware" tag that indicates that the game actually runs on a retro system, rather than just adopting its general aesthetic.

Moderator

There are individual tags for several retro platforms.

And they don’t indicate that the game with the “PS1” tag, for instance, actually runs on a PS1. Hence my post.

Moderator

Some of them do, but ultimately creators decide how to tag their games.

Which is why it would be nice if there was a tag they could choose to indicate that yes, their game does in fact work on original hardware.

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