Post your thoughts and suggestions, what you'd like to change or improve, or new content that you would like to see in the game.

It'd be cool if black bean and abel synergized, creating a fart at the shadow babie's location.

Also maybe improve Boss AI during the plum fight so you cant get cheated out of a lawnmower worm at the start cause of bad RNG

Add all of the co-op babies... and make Coins a bit more shiny or something, i always miss them :(

Yeah i echo the cries for more slots, feels like its hard to try stuff when half of my slots are basically predetermined

If you could make an option to turn off the flashes after explosions that would be great, on The Ark my head gets all fuzzy because of them.

Maybe you could add a Baby Brim (if you haven't already) that costs around 300 hearts? maybe 350?

I think mom's hand should have a unique reaction to glowing hour glass, reverting back up rather than moving to the start of the line :)

I think there should be a sure-fire way to counter the babyplum-incarnates. If you have a full defense, they just fly right over it, and there's nothing you can do about it. Also, add trinkets, that would be cool. Like, cancer could slightly increase all tower's speed, or curved horn could make babies do slightly more damage, things like that.

Replaying the first level(s) is kinda repetitive due to always starting with the same units therefore just using the same strategy over and over again because at this point the enemies pose no challenge. To solve this you could possibly add some randomness to your starter deck (let bobs brain be a random unit for example), or as alternative you could add some different enemies that force using a different strategy early on (although this might not be preferable due to information-overloading new players). One last possibility might be some sort of  'challenge/reward', where before the level the player can take on a challenge (e.g. only use 18 spaces). If  succesfull they get a reward (e.g. coins or an item)  and if they fail maybe some sort of penalty. This would at least force some kind of variation on the first couple levels.

The game has a great concept, I'm looking forward to  see how it'll progress!

This May be hard but Is there any way you could Port this to apk? Doesent matter if there are some limitations this game would be Amazing if It was both on PC and phone

Power-Pilling a cube of meat should turn it into a level 2 cube, allowing it to shoot

Trinkets would bee cool

Not sure if they're already in the game or not, but it would be cool to have blue flies in the game. Maybe when a Mulligan's mask is broken, if you manage to kill it before it escapes it can produce three blue flies. They'd home-in on an enemy and hit it once, killing the fly in the process just like in Isaac.
I also agree that the number of slots for babies would be nice. I've got so many babies, but C.H.A.D. and cube of meat are almost completely necessary.

Any enemies completely immune to one of more damage type. I'm looking at you red fly and weird host hat thing...
I haven't gotten past mines, so if there's more I wouldn't know.
As for what to do about these enemies.
Red Fly should get tired after flying over a single tower or two, giving a brief window that the towers behind can hit him a couple of times.
And Host Hat... thing should have the hat as an armor rather then a lobbing damage immunity, IMO.
Especially since these two enemies appear on the same levels and are immune against what the other is weak against.

it's not important but i would be happy if you could "fix" the language setting ;)

Can you make it so that mega plum shoots babies randomly instead of always shooting at the back of the row.

A lot of people suggest having an extra slot, but i think that it can be worked around by implementing more interesting ways of getting hearts. Maybe trinkets, giving a passive effect until your next shop? Or passives that give you hearts under some conditions? for exemple: every enemy a charger kills drops a hear/ some% for an enemy to drop a heart/ have your babies drop half their half cost when they die
This would also help with making the no heart-giving baby achievement actually achievable!

I was also thinking that Blood Puppy could be a passive that randomly takes place of a used charger after every shop.

Otherwise, great job on the game so far, can't wait to see more! Don't forget not to overload with work yourself either, dunno how you're doing with that, but quality over quantity remains way better anyway!

Okay but I need an android apk for this, it would run amazingly as mobile

I believe that the Wiz Baby should be nerfed. Probably just a price increase should be fine, but only 125 for full-lane coverage single-handedly won me an entire run. Spam them all over the place, and they protectively snipe from across the map!

Similar to normal pvz i suggest a pickup on hover rather than on click i tend to lose myself on the chaos of the screen when playing these kinds of games and would prefer an on hover to on click.

This game is simply AMAZING,one thing though...I would be happy if you added a change music option to the pause menu.

Also like everyone else said,MORE SLOTS.

Hello, can you make it so that when you are fullscreen your mouse cursor is locked inside this game? Cos I always accidentally click the Desktop on my second monitor while trying to click on babies, and the game gets minimized which is kinda annoying. Thanks.

Also it would be nice to be able to pick hearts while you have a baby in your hand, so when you click on a heart with a baby in a hand it won't place it.

slowing from webs and freezing should stack, or maybe combine in some other way

Trash can for pills

The boss RNG at the start of the fight is very annoying and can get you to unavoidably lose a charger, which is very annoying if you're doing the  "don't lose chargers" achievement

ALSO make it so that you can't lose once you've finished the level, because I just lost on item shop screen after Giga Plum boss because Mom's Hands spawned enemies while Giga Plum had her death animation playing.

Obviously with it being in Alpha, I'll keep requests/Suggestions lol, But i love the idea of potential characters. Either have gimmicks, bonuses or different starting Towers. If you were to take vanilla characters or go the Bum-bo route and do original ones. there's so many ideas.

I genuine suggestion I do have is a proper Boss Title Card could be cool.

freezer baby shoud freeze enemies if it kills them, frozen enemies would fuction as mini barriers

A good thing would be an indicator kind of like pvz where a monster is at half health, for example a gaper's head blowing off leaving its body walking towards you or something.

Controller support would be sick but I understand if you can't/won't

Endless mode (survival)

I'd personally would like to see a key binding option in the startup screen. A little customization for the controls can go a long way for getting more people to play.

the fitnessgram pacer test

I can suggest you "Lil Abaddon" idea. I know you have a "Charge System" (How i call this fillng with green black ring), so you can give him this system. You need to charge him to make his ring 3x3 with him in centre when you need it (I need it sometimes). He'll cost 50 soul hearts. But maybe... It's already in the game, i don't know, i didn't find him when i played, sorry.

P.S. About Soul Hearts read in my post below

More bosses would be neat, such as The Duke of Flies and Monstro.

What if you added a gargantuar type enemy like gemeni or something, as like a miniboss for certain waves.

Possibly an online version on the game page so that way us people that have a chromebook or people at school could play it? Might be kinda hard but it would prob be pretty good.

different starting characters or "decks" that you can unlock and choose would be cool, they could also have completion marks or something idk

you shoud allow the player to pick a baby when starting a run, the blue room I is soo boring bc its allways the sa,e

A manual would be helpful. As well as preventing flying enemies from spawning until you have a better method of control. (Also not starting from THE VERY TOP WOULD BE GOOD)

hey, i know people keep asking for more slots, but i had the thought that they'd cost around 50 coins, that way you can either buy the items, or buy an extra slot, id also recommend 5 slots after the first character unlock. as well as taking fan ideas for babies. 

A suggestion from a friend would be to add Incubus and make it work like Imitater from PvZ.

As from me, maybe make pickups last a bit longer because they expire pretty damn fast.

I'm already getting all sorts of ideas for babies as I write this, like Succubus being an AoE low-damage tower that increases other towers' damage within its range too, sort of like an offensive Hallowed Ground.

Oh yeah and about the whole tower slots thing everyone complains about, it's true that things get hard quickly when you only have 4 slots, so maybe you can have 1 slot be added every floor or just add 1 permanently to the game?

Game is Great but amount of slots is a real bummer
it makes the game harder but not a good way , it would be better to have more diversity in the run as it would make the game more fun and balance out the difficulty even 1-2 slots would be massive since the fact that most of the time you are forced onto using lil chad so you only would have 3 slots for both attack and defense

TLDR : add more slots maybe 1-2

I havent fully completed the game, but if it doesn't exist having ball of bandages would be cool. Maybe it has less hp but gives some hearts back when it dies or just produces them at a slower rate than chad? Or less hp again but charms enemies, like in the civil war challenge, when it dies. Or even make it upgradable like in BoI, having 1 is just a worse cube of meat, having 2 lets it shoot, having 3 lets it sometimes shoot charming tears. I think having a different blocker would add some variety to the staleness of selection others are talking about (although i do think 4 slots is good)

I would adore it if this game was posted as a web playable as well, which as I've heard from my brother isn't hard to translate. I would love to play this on things such as chromebooks that cannot download all windows files.

This might have been suggested before but a hotkey for pausing the game would go a long way, maybe "P" could work?

Hearts should be magnetized a bit toward the cursor and should not need m1 held to make it easier on the wrist and index finger.

Back again.

Even with the speed-up feature days take real long regardless, can be annoying when are guaranteed to bust through early on, but the chaos is fun.

I'm saying especially the first day, as you need to complete it to get an item, nothing interesting happens, in base Isaac even though you started with nothing you'd have different characters and could find pickups or whatever. If the base baby slot count is 5 then you could get one baby from the get-go instead of waiting, I guess.

Also the whole shop and/or obtaining passives needs a rework, money gen is already really random, there's a well chance that you cannot obtain a rare after the first boss, and some common items are even far better than rare ones (E.G. the bean that moves back enemies when a babies die, there is a rare costing 3 times that amount that accomplishes the same thing, but when they spawn. There is no reason to get that rare. And then you can only get one charger replenishment for the cost of a rare, or 3 whole great common items. If there was a baby that generates money I don't know of that'd instantly turn your run into obtaining as much dosh as possible, with you always wanting that baby filling up a slot, reducing choices and incentivizing the same lame 'ol strategy.

Pill baby is poopoo why would you use him.

-- anyway, my ideals for slots that probably won't get added because of your game design or whatever. Far off from now --

• You start with 4 slots, but get 5 after the first boss.
• You start with 5 slots. Perhaps with a baby selection pre-run.

Then I thought, because after you loop you don't get a baby selection you get a 6th slot, this slot automatically picks a random baby in your arsenal before the round. Or possibly just to make the game harder you don't get an extra slot and it just forces you to do whatever heheheh.

Of course there'd be the shop slots, backpack is well, but could possibly be another common item that randomly chooses one from your arsenal.

Therefore:

• PvZ (6 slots)
• PvZ + full drip (10 slots [no need holy moley])
• PvZ2 + full drip (8 slots [haha you have to pay real money])
• I. Rule Beginning (5 slots)
• I. Rule Loop (5 slots, 1 random)
• I. Rule Very luck + full drip (7 slots, 2 random)

This is still less than the amount of slots you'd get in PvZ so attention can be brought forth to your quirky active items, fellow game designer.

Maybe backpack could instead give to active slots (alternating) like in base Isaac, and the slot increase would be something else, would be a very fun 'OP' run if you got such a thing, but getting fun 'OP' runs is the point of Isaac.

If there was wet water levels far later on in dev (good job nice :thumbsup:) then a slot would be force filled with a lily alternative, I guess.

i have some baby ideas
1.super baby:shoots very fast small damage tears like a machine gun
2.king baby:has a 3x3 radius,babies in the radius will aim at the cursor(except for if its not a projectile attacking baby)
3.bum:attacks as fast b bobby but costs sligthy more,you can buff bum by using coins(1 coin increases attack speed by 15% percent or less)
4.devil bum:attacks the same way as lil loki but attacks a little slower but can be buffed by using hearts(5 hearts increases attack speed of devil bum by 2.5% percent or less)
5.pill bum:attacks as fast as b bobby and and attacks like a b bobby but something is wrong pill makes pill bum attack like rainbow baby,and other pills can buff(if you give pill bum a pill it will increase one of 3 stats 1.attack speed(10%) 2. attack damage (5%) 3.health(you choose) and also increases the stats  that pill gives)
6.super bum:attacks super fast and now can buff attack damage by 5% using coiins,pills and hearts and attacks like rainbow baby
7.gun baby:has a 4x4 radius to shoot enemies at

and some item ideas:
lullaby:increases tower attack speed
hologram: all towers(except for towers like lil chad) have a hologram that is on the opposite side and shoot the opposite direction(the damage of the hologram is half
toy gun(active item):shoot the enemies for insta kill

and some changes ideas:

make mongo baby shoot corresponding tears for babies that dont neccersarily attack like explosive tear if bob's brain was behind mongo baby and also make mongo baby use the mongo baby's behind it's tears like if rubber soul was behing mongo baby and a mongo baby was infront of that mongo baby maybe make it so that both mongo baby shoot rubber balls
and also can you make it so if mongo baby is behing a mongo baby both mongo baby's get double attack speed,attack power and health

I would either add a button to skip the first floor, or start the game with a choice to start with a new baby. Right now it's kinda boring going through the first level without any changes.

Another few suggestions, two pills:

Health Up, adding max health to a tower, and Balls of Steel, adding temporary health to a tower instead that you can't recover once lost, like Soul Hearts work in Isaac.

A baby:

Robo-Baby, a familiar that'd shoot a low-damage laser relatively fast that can pierce through an entire lane. Could make for decent chip damage while working with a different damaging tower, would definitely work well with Ghost Baby.

i was playing the game, i lost, i restarted and placed a little C.H.A.D. and then i left, when i came back i had all of my actives, familiars, items back.

Maybe if you don't like any of the babies available at the end of a stage you can choose to get a random passive item instead.

What about a jacob's ladder baby that deals base damage and shocks up to 3 more enemies for 0.33x damage. That would add more crowd control options.

Перезаход возвращает не на уровень, а в меню выбора бейбиков. Из-за этого можно пытаться перепроходить один и тот же уровень, например, чтобы не потерять газонокосилки, что попахивает читами. Можно сохранять состояние игры перед выходом, чтобы пресечь это.

Также было бы неплохо, если бы лейаут уровня был сгенерирован уже в меню выбора бейбиков, чтобы можно было посмотреть его, как в обеих PvZ, и подкорректировать стратегию.

maybe add one time use items that upgrade the babies for the rest of the run, like a birthright effect, like for crispy baby the birthright effect would be: start with power pill effect maybe? or maybe do not remove the fire when getting hit by pegasus

Probably a controversial suggestion, but honestly one of the best things about the original pvz is the fact that you can always choose your towers depending on the situation and once you unlocked them you have them for good, with no stress of losing them all and having to start over from the first four, so my suggestion is some kind of endless mode, in which the player has all babies they discovered so far unlocked from the start, the catch is that they can't discover any new items, active items, or new babies while in this mode.

Again this might be controversial since this game is supposed to have a roguelike gameplay, but I think that would be nice for people who enjoyed the plants vs zombies feeling of having your arsenal of towers unlocked at your disposal with no stress of losing them all.

A codex/almanac in the Main Menu for enemies and babies unlocked would be nice to familiarize with their own units, attacks, and pill effects

An additional baby slot would be nice, but maybe if you are against just adding one as base capacity, then how about adding it through Tainted Isaac's Birthright?

A suggestion for Mongo baby, instead of just mimicking the fire style of the baby behind it, maybe also the tear effect? and also increasing the heart cost from 125 to 150 if the tear effect part is added.

King baby could be used like the Torchwood, but instead of setting tears on fire, It adds a 10% damage bonus and one time tear pierce to babies around it (3x3). It can also shoot normal tears, but it is not affected by it's own effect. It would cost 200 hearts. Multiple King babies would not increase the effect.

How about you make a branching path, this will probably be a coding nightmare, but imagine having a choice at which path you want to go to (like the alt path in  TBoI). A normal route where the rewards are normal and the difficulty is the same, and an alt route where the reward is higher, but the difficulty is increased (increased meaning more challenging enemies and not bullshit combos like a bunch of worms). While I am at it, why not decrease the worm's movement speed by 10% and attack speed by 5% from the current speed. They are just to fast and unavoidable if you are caught with a recharging cube of meat.

I also think that "Hard mode" should be taken off the board for now. Try to finish the base game before trying to make an extra difficulty.

I've got a couple suggestions for familiars that are counterparts to PVZ plants!
Lil Delirium - Imitater
Strawman - Marigold
Ball of Bandages - Hypnoshroom

Thank you so much for I.RULE ♥♥♥♥

you should trinkets that would be cool

I'd love a bit more visual difference in the hearts, they get lost on top of the CHADs and I miss quite a few of them. the sunshine in pvz is significantly more visually distinct from the sunflowers. that's all I can really think of so far, this game is wonderful, tysm <3

how about succubus baby, it just stays like hollow ground, except it boosts damage, or it could be a passive that flies around the screen and deals damage to thy enemies and adds 25% damage to the babies?

add a donation machine to the shop

Having played the game, I will say that I think that the game does need more baby slots, or at least an option to get more slots, for a fair amount of reasons. The 4 you get now, one of which will most certainly be used for little chad, is fairly debilitating, both for the game and the player. You’re given any room to try unique strategies or combinations. One time use plants aren’t worth taking at all, and certain enemies still hard counter certain plants. There’s no room for longevity or stronger enemies because you’re stuck with what you have, go for more expensive babies and you’ll struggle to start, Anything more expensive then what we already have in the game will be more trouble then it’s worth, putting in a cheaper baby to cover this just uses another one of your few slots. this along with the lack of straight up passive plant upgrades kinda just sucks

I think the start of each loop should take away your most used baby so that you're forced to try different strategies and not stick to the same babies

Maybe replace Mystery Gift with Buddy in a Box and make Mystery Gift give a random passive instead?

Lil' Spewer could be added too, using creep in this game could work.

Punching Bag as a defensive familiar with some decent durability, and attracting enemies similarly to Sweet Potato from PvZ2?

Holy Water working similarly to BBF but instead it drops a puddle of damaging creep in a 3x3 area?

How about adding worm-based trinkets that make your babies' shots move differently as long as you have one? Trinkets can still be dropped.

Would have to adapt a new system of new types of hearts, so here we go:

The Relic

generates soul hearts, can be used to buy cheaper angelic babies.

Cost: 150 Red Hearts
Cost: 100 Soul Hearts
Cost: 150 Black Hearts

Note: The system of hearts that fall from the sky can be by type of floor(level), in addition, all babies that do not enter the specific characteristics of hearts, do not have a reduced price compared to other types of hearts.

Key and chest system

A system that adds key drops from enemies. During the new familiar collection phase, it is optional to open a chest instead of collecting a new friend, containing coins (80%), pills (10%), familiars (7%) and items (3%).

please add this i beg you.

Fruit Plum

It inflates to a certain point, then shoots thousands of bubbles at medium range until it returns to its normal form.

Cost: 125 red hearts

Hello, this game is amazing! Really good job so far.

The feature I suggest is being able to view the layout of the tiles, while on the screen where you pick the babies and see the enemies.

Would really be nice to see, so you're able to adapt to the layout (especially with the minecarts and spike levels)

it would be neat to have a small chance of when placing brother bobby, getting a sister maggie instead

1. INTRODUCTION (NOT REALLY IMPORTANT)
   before i say anything in this suggestion, i just want to say this game is amazing, i always wanted to play a rougelike tower defense game and this game does it more than amazingly, however even with how good it is i still do feel as though the game can get alot of additions (its in alpha after all) and as anyone who would see an uncomplete game would do, i give my ideas, do note most of these ideas will pull from the original binding of isaac games and or other sources of media if not partially original, so without futher ado lets start with, THOUGH DO NOTE IN BABIES SECTION, IF STATS NOT MENTION THEN ITS BASICALLY THE SAME AS B.B.
   
2. WEIRD MECHANICS THAT DIDNT FIT ANYWHERE BUT ARE STILL IMPORTANT FOR SUGGESTION
   while i feel this would be very weird for the game i still feel it would be better to have something similar than to not have a large problem which ive faced personally with the game is 1- there are no cheap towers besides starters 2-blue room literally has 1 good strat and thats not good, so my idea here was to add 2 or 3 of each of the starter plants (2-3 heart producers, 2-3 walls,etc etc) and familiars, the idea of familiars is something similar to another suggestion on here (which i cant remember the writer of it for the life of me) every run you start with an extra 5th tower that would be locked through the whole entire run and you can change in the menu, another idea to make the game a bit more diverse, is to add an easy mode, you get an item at the start of each game that you dont have to pay coins for, this mode mostly would be so new players learn the game more easily
   
3. ENEMIES
    1-Maggot, slow speed, low health, if it kills a baby the baby will explode into 3 other maggots (the surrounding babies are not directly damaged)
   2-Leper flesh, medium speed, medium health, the leper does not damage towers, however it can pass right through them
   3-Mullighoul, high speed, medium health, same ability as leper
   4-Blaster, slow speed, high health, shoots the double fly things (i cant remember its name for the life of me)
   5-Mushroom, low health, pops out of random tiles and shoots in all cardinal directions, damaging babies, cannot directly kill the player
   6-Boil, acts the same as poop, but can regenerate if not killed fast enough
   7-Selfless knight, very low speed, high health, with every enemy killed after the knights spawns, the speed will increase by a bit
   8-The fecal titan, slow speed, high health, when killed explodes and replaces all empty times in 3x3 area with poop
   9-The bloon, slow speed, low health, all towers in corresponding lane shoot faster (like 10%), but when killed the towers will shoot slower (also probably 10%)
   10-Thunderat, high speed, low health, every 10 seconds will shoot a bolt that randomly damages 3 babies (each bolt does around 5% of brother bobby's hp)
   11- The cupcake man, very low speed, very high health, will convince one of your babies to come over for a cupcake (if it reaches said baby's tile), turns baby into a monster depending on cost (more expensive=stronger)
   
4. BABIES
   (we will start with the familiars since they were mentioned in [2], just to say this all familiars will be marked by [F] and you can only have 1 familiar on screen and if it dies you can replace it(and before you say some of them have nothing to do with the original game im just tryna give ideas)and starter units will be sprinkled in between and they will be marked by [S])
   1-F-Azazel, 300 cost, same health as a b.b., attack is a strong beam that can pass 10 enemies but shoots after a very long cooldown, can move from any tile to an empty tile, cannot enter an occupied tile
   2-F-Judas, 200 cost, there are 2 modes, judas normal and judas dark
   judas normal will shoot with the slightly more power and health than b.b., but if it gets 3 full kills, it will become dark judas
   dark judas deals double damage, but if an enemy comes to attack it, it lets the enemy by under any circumstance
   3-F-Magdalene, 100, cost 1.5 b.b's health, produces hearts at 1.25 the rate of a lil chad
   4-F-Cain, 200 cost, .33% damage of b.b, 4x attack speed, and higher chance of enemies to coins
   5-Leviathen baby, slow recharge, 150 cost, low health and damage, can move from any tile to an empty tile, cannot enter an occupied tile
   6-Crap baby, mid recharge, 100 cost, less damage from b.b, when killed spawns 2 friendly small poos
   7-Baby hydra, slow recharge, 400 cost,more damage than bb but equal health, 2 phases, incased and outraged, after being placed the hydra will be in incased mode, incased mode will not attack and has the same health as outraged, after a dozen or so seconds it will become outraged, when outraged it will be able to attack, and if i killed when outraged, it will spawn 3 baby hydras in any open tile in their incased forms
   8-S-Small baby, fast recharge, 0 cost, sun producer, half of lil chads hp, produces 25 hearts at half of lil chads rate
   9-S-Umbilical baby, trapper,  25 cost, long recharge, when a monster walks on the tile this baby was placed on it dies
   10-S-Tyrant baby, 100 cost, long recharge, will throw any monster that comes to the tile infront of it, has 4 throws per plant, and a 3 sec cooldown per throw
   11-S-Behaving baby, 75 cost, mid recharge, shoots knives at double of b.b.s attack speed but dealing double damage
   12-S-Bright-minded baby, 75 cost, mid recharge, deals less damage than b.b, can shoot upwards
   13- Happy slime, 50 cost, slow recharge, shoots 2 projectiles in alternation, 1st can hit ground enemies, 2nd hits flying enemies, deals half the damage of b.b, blocks fliers
   14-Baby queen, when a charger is lost all units have 2x attack speed for a period of time
   15-mini charger, 125 cost, very long cooldown, acts identically to a charger but takes up a tile
   16-The rat king , 75 cost, instant usable, speeds up monsters and makes them move away from a specific tile, either in its direction or opposite
5. ITEMS
   1- Bobs rotten head, all b.bs will become friendly monsters upon death 99
   2-Dads key, enemies in safes open after a few shots only 33
   3-Reusable deck of cards, allows you to reroll items at the next shop 99
   4-Forget me now, speed down pills no longer appear 33 
   5-Isaac's tears, all babies that use plain attacks will do 1.5 damage 99
6. ITS THE END (FOR NOW)
   as for now i will consider this specific list complete, i dont mind if half of these concepts get scrapped but i do feel its worth a look, thank you for reading :)
   
   
   

There's very little reason to change your loadout late-game. Maybe start with extra hearts when choosing a baby you haven't tried yet?

Offensive pills? Like Infested!/Infested? either poops or the chosen enemy spawn spiders which do a  bit of damage to other enemies. Are You A Wizard? makes enemies that normally move forward instead move like a Trite. Using a positive pill like Power Pill! or Speed Up!on an enemy can increase damage/defence and speed respectively. Therefore, there is a risk to whether to see if a pill is good or bad for you, and to test it on an enemy

Make so that you get a random baby at the start of the game.

Keeper baby - shoots coins that give enemies chance to drop money on death

Achievement - complete all chapters (or maybe only one chapter) using only four main babies

Achievement - complete all chapters without defensive babies

well, the achievement relating to not use lil chad is really hard. could it be easier? like just a single chapter would be enough.

Extra slot on hardmode. If this makes hardmode too easy then you can just make the waves more aggressive in later stages or later waves in stages. I personally belive hardmode should offer more options (in sense of letting you take an extra babies to a level, thus giving you more strategies you can use) while compensating with much harder waves, to really test your strategic skills.

Add a preview of the level, so you can see the obstacles and pick babies accordingly. I once picked mongo baby in mines only to get a rail in column 2 and 4, making mongo baby only fully useable on column 6.

Pills are really useless right now (except for power pill! really). Once the negative pills are indentified, you can just waste them on a little chad. I found myself never really using them and instead only stockpiling the power pill! for level 3-3. I honestly do not know how to improve this mechanic, but it is worth pointing out it is a flawed mechanic.

If you ever add more babies, please add some expensive but powerful babies. Currently most expensive offensive babies cost at most 200 hearts. I played a lot of hard pvz mods and the 3 general strategies you can usually use are:

1. spam cheap plants (very fast paced way to play)

2. play cheap plants to beat early waves, then start playing expensive plants to beat later waves (balanced way to play)

3. play stalling plants early game, build up sun and finally play expensive plants (ramping way to play)

As there are no really expensive babies the only strategy really useable is the 1st one. Having 3 different general strategies will make for a more interesting game as you can just switch your general strategy when you get sick of your current one.

Edit: The problem here is the limited heart containers, currently on loop 3 and onward, as you are only able to hold  6 hearts (300), making it so the most expensive baby you can put into the game costs at most 6 (300) hearts (example: hallowed ground). As 6 heart containers barely provide any extra difficulty to the game compared to 12 heart containers, I suggest that this mechanic is removed once more expensive babies are added (hopefully). Another problem might be the fact that expensive babies are not as useful in early stages, you can solve this by making a tier system where early game you get a choice between lower tier babies (weak but cheap) while in later levels you get a choice between higher tier babies (strong but expensive).

Edit: After further playing, more enemies also mean more pills, which makes the mechanic more fun in later loops as you are quickly trying to manage yet another thing adding onto the madness that is the 3rd loop (and onward).

it would be cool if they were puzzles in i rule like vase breaker and where you use enemies to fight babies like in pvz 

Another suggestion, a little tweak to rebalance the enemies in game.

1. The sperm whales should be susceptible to status effects such as knock back, chill, or possibly poison. The health is fine and the speed is kinda mediocre since they're kinda fast while immune to ground damage, since most of the babies are targeting an enemy and had to sacrifice for some babies for it leave.

2. The red boom fly should have its speed tone down a bit or the hp, it'll just fly over your defense without taking damage.

My few ideas after playing the game (and still going) 

1. Soul Hearts and Blue Baby - What if soul hearts are temporary hearts which gradually goes down and you can only get them from enemies just like coins, which are used first for the babies, and a character like blue baby would be nice with this mechanic he can't use red hearts and Little C.H.A.D. and red hearts that drops will turn into a soul heart instead, but he gets double the soul hearts. 

2. XL Room - What if just like in The Binding Of Isaac there's a chance to get an XL Room but instead of forcefully making you stay there you can choose whether you want a normal room or the XL Room and it will have a bigger room but uses 2 rooms and you get to choose 2 rewards instead of 1. 

3. Hidden Rooms and Shop - What if every floor has a chance to have a hidden room which gives you a few coins or a shop which will activate after the level and you can click on him if you want to see what babies he's offering or sell the babies you have. 

4. Devil Deals and Angel Room - What if you don't lose any of your babies (except in the boss room) and you get an angel room or devil deal and you can use the shovel on the babies that you think might die which will not count as losing a baby so that it's a bit more possible, and once you finish the boss instead of the normal items you get an angel room item or devil deal. 

5. Pills - I know pills is already in the game but what if pills work for enemies if you give a slow pill on an enemy (except the boss) he would go faster and a speed pill would make him slower and a power pill would make him have less attack and a full health pill would make him more vulnerable. 

Few more pills:

  1. Bad Gas (Good Pill) - Baby (Knocks back   the enemy in front of him) / Enemy (Poisons   the enemy including the boss) 

 2. Bad Trip (Bad Pill) - Baby (Half's the   health of the baby) / Enemy (Fully Heals the   enemy except the boss) 

 3. Telepill (Bad Pill) - Baby or Enemy   (Teleports to a random area except the boss)

 4. Paralysis (Bad/Good Pill) - Baby or   Enemy (Paralyze enemies or babies except   the boss but better than freeze because it   would work for stone enemies) 

Oh yeah the feature I'd like more than anything right now co-op

6. Co-op Mode - What if you add a co-op mode. Players would share coins and hearts but the main player (host) controls the active item and the pills (possibly also cards) and half of the babies while the other player only controls the other half of the babies, and the players get to choose which passive items they want by buying the item first. 

7. The Lost - He doesn't use any hearts and heart producers, but has no chargers (but instantly kills the first enemy and can be recharged after the boss) and all babies have a longer cool down depending on its original price. 

Just few of my thoughts maybe it's good, maybe it's not, I just can't wait to see what the game will have. 

it would be cool if you would add buddy in a box as in the mimic from the original pvz  (the one that changes into a grey version of a chosen plant), i think that would make sense

Buff phychic baby plz!!

Hi, is not a suggestion, but can I do a direct with your game I.Rule? *I am new with the streamings*

I think adding more babies and enemies into the game, or a new floor, for example a new floor could be in the burning basement or cellar, and the enemies that spawn there are the walking spider sack, flaming fatty, and scatter mulliboom which explodes in a cross formation but is slower than mulliboom, and the special effect for the burning basement could be like falling explosive barrels which explode in a 3 by 3 which target randomly on the map, and on the cellar a spider web comes down and places some spider sacks which spawn spiders at an interval of 0.5 seconds on land to 0.3 after, and both stages could have a cool boss fight like a double fight with lil loki and little horn which has two boss ai but have the boss hp shared together, you can do what you want with their ai, but please just add spider s and spider sacks

I think that there should be an increase in amount of babies/towers you can use to at least 6.  For me the game feels too simple as there is very little different synergies you can do when you're limited to just 4.  Especially when 2 of those slots are usually gonna be taken up by little chad and a defensive thing like cube of meat that just leaves you with 2 slots for damage/support where the real fun is.  One synergy that I found really cool was how Pegasus can shoot out the fire of Paschal Candle and  Freezer Baby's ice tear melts when shooting through it. Having to think about the ups and downs with certain decisions is what makes a game like Isaac fun. Maybe it is just me but with Isaac I think of having many different synergies with different things you get along the run and being limited to so few towers makes me feel like there's not much you can do.

add an option to pick ur ui u wanna have! with options such as:

Compressed: basically loop 1 ui (limits will be signified like this: amount/limit) (has to be unlocked by beating loop 1)

Contained: basically loop 2 and onward ui (if the amount u have is more than the bar signifies then an eternal heart will be placed at the end to signify that exact thing) (has to be unlocked by beating loop 1)

Auto: loop 1 has compressed ui while loop 2 onward has contained ui (default and doesnt have to be unlocked)

Please make the Mac port. Some people can only play games on Mac, and would love to play this.

I'm not going to get a Windows just to play this.

Also, it's okay if you don't know how.

Ask people, find support!

Maybe look up a tutorial!

It's okay!

I would like to see a slower buildup in difficulty. I find that the first few familiars I get are the ones I stick with, and any experimentation is too risky to do by the time I have Backpack, or enough familiars to play around with.  Maybe increasing the default number of slots to 5 would work?

I've got some idea about new babies:

Quints Baby:125♥Throws black tears, when this kills a enemy, place a new Quints Baby at the place that enemy died.

Blood Leech:175♥ instantly kill a enemy in front of it, then it will start its attack CD, produces hearts when the CD finishes.

(combined Chomper and Toadstool)

Halo of Flies:125♥ just like the"pumpkin", has 3 flies instead of 2, has the same HP as Cube of Meat, can be placed on a baby,

enemies attacking this baby will damage Halo of Flies first.For its sprite, Halo of Flies loses its flies while becoming lower in HP.  

Punching Bag:125♥attract enemies from adjacent tiles covering the 1x3 (vertical) area in front of the tile where it was placed in lane, has the same HP as Cube of Meat

Big Chubby:125♥releases attacks which looks like Little Chubby, when damaged by anything possible, begin rushing down the lane.Just like the Guacodile in PVZ2 does.

Globin Baby:100♥ Has only the half HP as Cube of Meat,but leaves a pile of flesh after being killed by an enemy, enemies won't try to attack the flesh, the flesh will became a Globin Baby with full HP in several seconds.

Holy Water:75♥ instantly does a 3x3 damage when touched by an enemy, then disappears and leaves water on its own tile, the water remains several seconds before it disappears, deals extremely high damage to enemies step on it.(Just like Lava Guava)

Big Fan:125♥ Appears to be more larger than other babies, has more HP than Cube of Meat. Flying enemies can't fly over it.

Ball of Bandages: 25♥ Produces 25♥ at the first time, becomes a Bandage Girl which produces 50♥ after that.After 5 of  the 50♥ produced, became a Super Bandage Girl which produces 75♥.

God's Flesh: 75♥ instantly shrinks enemies in 3x3 area, halves their HP and makes heavy enemies be able to being knocked back with farts or Pagasus.

Jacob's lil' Ladder:125♥ behaves like Lightning Reed in PVZ2.

Make it so poops can't spawn on the first lane, it's pretty much impossible to deal with unless you have AOE, lil loki's or abels.

1st: This game is great!

2nd: I haven't checked all 200+ replys yet but maybe let the drops (coins, hearts, etc.) longer on the ground or/and make them more distinct (different/louder sound if coins drop/brighter colors for hearts). Kind of hard to recognize if something has dropped.

maybe brimstone baby costing 300 or 250 

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I love this game and maybe you can add my suggestions (if you want to). First I forgot that robo baby doesnt exist in I rule so maybe you can add him but not cheap because when he shots then a whole lane is damaged. Second some random bosses evey floor (for example the first floor would be mega plum or a new/returning boss). Third more enemies. And lastly more achievements (like putting out crispy baby with pegasus). I hope that you like my suggestions

Rename the "Speed My Ass" Challenge to "AfterBirth +"

Hello there! This game is really awesome!

And also I would like to leave some feedback!

Actually, when you have seen every baby in the run, they stop appearing, making you lost some good options forever.

Also, this makes the D6 kinda unuseful, because you may be loosing the babies you rerolled forever (HAVEN'T TESTED THIS).

It would be so nice, that once you have seen every baby in the run, the options that you haven't chosen start appearing again ^^

Please make the baby plum enemies a little easier to manage, if I get bad tower rng I lose a lot of chargers and there isn't really any way to prevent it. Also it might be cool to include an enemy showcase in the stats section like what you have for the towers/items

Hi!

I don't know if this a bug or how its intended (probably a bug) but the psychic baby mixed with multidimensional baby makes the tears not return to the psychic baby, making her shoot incredibly fast. very strong combo but most definitely a bug.  

Legitimately fun game! Just two suggestions:

-Increase the visibility of the hearts. They don't contrast well with the CHADs.

-Increase in the number of baby slots as the game progresses or via some upgrades (more than just school bag)

I had an idea for a special D6 mechanic: When the D6 is used to re-roll, it becomes a cracked die and can re-roll again at the cost of losing the D6 for the rest of the run. The cracked die will recharge into the D6 after using it only once though.

Remove mom's hand from Poke Go plz,it does nothing

Maybe a Lil' Brimstone baby that works similar to coconut cannon from PVZ2? It could cost around 350-400 and charges up a brimstone shot you can fire on command with a click?

Small suggest

Maybe "Fistuloid" can become PVZ2's pea-nut and avocado blend, not just avocado?

make the unlock conditions for the deserter be more specific! there are alot more red babies in the game than the game thinks!

I would like some way of incorporating the Seven Deadly Sins as minibosses that have a chance of appearing on any non-boss stage. In my idea, they all move one tile per 8 seconds (except for Lust) and take 30 hits from Brother Bobby to be killed:

Pride: Sometimes fires four diagonal beams that need to hit a non-defensive baby twice to kill it. Also spawns a troll bomb, at a random tile occupied by a baby, that explodes like a Mulliboom attacking (which includes affecting an area around the baby).

Envy: Takes 27 hits instead of 30. Upon death, splits into 2 smaller copies on adjacent rows with one third of the splitting Envy's max health (9). Those 2 smaller copies can split again (3). If Envy is on the highest or lowest row, one of the copies will be on the same row.

Greed: Sometimes spawns a Hopper and shoots a spread of 3 tears (like every 5 seconds) when a baby is 3 tiles or less away from Greed. Each hit on a baby makes you lose 2 pennies, but only one penny drops on the ground.

Wrath: Throws a bomb (like every 5 seconds) at a baby if it is 3 tiles or less away from Wrath. Like a Mr. Shy, Wrath cannot deal contact damage.

Gluttony: Shoots 8 tears in both cardinal and diagonal directions. Can also shoot a Brimstone beam at a baby no matter the distance, but it only attempts to fire like once every 8 seconds and needs to charge for 4 seconds before firing the beam, a process which can be cancelled by freezing Gluttony or a charmed enemy attacking Gluttony.

Lust: Moves one tile every 2 seconds and poisons babies in contact.

Sloth: Acts like a Gurgle, but shoots more often and sometimes summons a Maggot.

I feel like the Deserter is just too strong and needs to get nerfed. My suggestion would be to change his cost, maybe 175 or 200 hearts.

I have 3 

1. please make it so that the worms pop up sometimes you can really deal with them any other way other than explosions and cube of meat 

2. The fucking stone charger things are horrible to go against unless your spamming explosions they charge and there goes your whole lane

3. I would like to be able to use more than 4 babies technically only 3 because of little chad unless you have backpack then its 4 theres so many babies I want to use but i can't because i can only have 3 and it stays the same the whole run because my lineup works 

thats it despite me looking like im complaining im actually super impressed with this game i thought it would of been a pvz ripoff just the plant models are replaced with with the babies models but everything in this game is new and its easy to understand and play not to mention its free very good job

new baby idea: lil brimstone

• cost: 300 / 6 hearts (would probs make him cost 350-400 but then he would be useless on loops 2 and beyond).
• recharge time: about half of what defensive babies take to recharge.
• attack type: he would slowly charge up a laser that pierces all enemies and obstacles in it's lane, however, once the laser is fully charged he will not shoot it automatically and instead will wait for the player to click on him before doing so; damage will have to vary depending on how fast the laser charges, if it's a very slow charge he should be able to kill gapers in one hit, if it's a fast charge then 2 laser blasts for gapers; also just kinda depends on the whole "clicking to release laser" feature, thought it was a cool idea but if it becomes too hard to implement or too difficult to manage as a player just have him shot the laser automatically with reduced damage but overall faster charging.
• strengths: infinite pierce, high damage, full lane range.
• weaknesses: unable to deal with single strong enemies very well, does not synergize with paschal candle or multidimensional baby, can't pierce through masks but heavily damages them, can be frozen by frosty.
• unlock method: complete every chapter without buying any passive items or charger tokens.
  

oh also another thing that would be pretty nice is having a collection for enemies too.

Guardian angel, iiiiiiiit's a pumpkin clone.

120 Volt, a passive item that allows babies to deal slow damage to enemies near them.

sack of money

its marigold from pvz but isacc

sister maggie

reward for getting 10 loops is brother bobby

new challenge idea: rpg / the friends you make along the way

• location: it's all mine (no minecarts).
• enemies: gapers, fatties, mr shy, plums, flies, hardheads, mullibooms (2-3 flags).
• babies: none (disabled heart drops would be nice too).
• active item: moving box (with instant recharge).
• how the challenge plays out: you start with 1 imp that you can move freely with moving box at any time and at the very far right each lane has an extra baby stuck in amber which once freed you can move back with moving box, some of the stronger babies will be guarded by a gaper in amber right before them; the babies stuck in amber would be: brother bobby, freezer baby (guarded), spike baby, juicy sack, spider baby (guarded, maybe even with 2 gapers in amber), harlequin baby (guarded); once you get everyone unstuck from the amber it's a matter of moving the babies in the right spots for the optimal enemy match-ups, for example: spider baby or spike baby - mr shy, freezer baby - mulliboom and hardhead, juicy sack + spike baby - fatty.
• item unlock: piggy bank (tier 1 - 33 pennies), chargers that survive will reward you with 1 extra penny (they don't give you 2 nickles in act 3 but still reward you 6 pennies in total instead of 5), has a higher chance to appear early on in your runs.

Is it possible to make the game and THE INSTALLER APP (that you made just recently) compatible with x84 version of Windows? I own just a smol potato PC :S
Also adding some sort of bestiary that shows the stats and descriptions of what exactly each thing does would be helpful. For example |what exactly this pill does?" or "what is the damage of this baby? or health?" "what this enemy does?" "what this item affects exactly?" and such. You can make it unlockable if you want.

maybe can add some different characters. 

like isacc，start with D6，150heart.

they can have different slots too

pondran a lil brinstone

Add a toggle in settings to make the music not speed up with the turbo button also being able to see the exact health, damage, and attack speed of enemies and babies in the collection would be nice for those of us who like being super optimal. Thanks!

So i tried the 8th achievement and i THINK it is impossible to achieve it. I did beat only one chapter tho...

Idk if I have skill issue, but maybe change the achievement to only one area. If not, then i have skill issue lol

I found a bug, when u flip imp (idk if there any other baby that have same bug) its still shoots in the same direction

Some sort of Super Hard mode or Wave mode that happens at the start of the 3rd loop. The game starts getting easy and repetitive after that amount of loops. 

Wave mode would be enemies coming in big waves and lasts for the entire chapter.