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Also, how can you be on the internet and not notice that Twitter changed its name to X?

Or maybe you shouldn’t think that the whole world revolves around you and your social networks? First of all, your Twitter is not popular in all countries. Secondly, in some it is even prohibited. Who would use a garbage dump in which even personal messages are paid?

All those games have a tag that is not in the suggested list and that has no description.

Now answer a simple question. How would I have known about the existence of this tag if you had not told me about it? It's not in the list of tags.

Context is important.

That's right, context is important. How can games be classified? According to the genre, but 2D is not a genre. Based on the location of the camera, this is also not suitable. Technologies of graphic image. This is what you need.

Classification according to graphic image technology:

  • Lack of graphics (text games, pseudo-graphics)
  • 2D graphics (vector, raster)
  • 3D graphics
  • 3D image (stereo glasses)
  • Augmented reality (mobile devices with a video camera)
  • Virtual reality (virtual reality helmet)

As you can see, everything falls into place here. When it comes to 3D, in the context of games. The first suitable definition is 3D games. Game with 3D graphics. Stereoscopic games came later and are less common.

So you're screwed again.

But neither you nor itch can change this.

And again a lie. itch can change everything. How? It is enough to remove the 3D tag from the list of tags and clear its description. On the contrary, add the tags “3D game” and “3DCG” to the list of tags and write a description for them. Then everything will fall into place. The 3D tag is ambiguous, and therefore it should not be supported. The tags “3D game” and “3DCG”, on the contrary, are very clear. This, of course, will not eliminate false tagging, but it will definitely benefit the site and users.

Tags are not words

What class are you in? Have you even finished school? Can you write me a definition of what a “word” is?

3d is related to visual novels using 3d rendered images. 

3d means three dimensions. Most visual novels don't have three dimensions. Flat sprites on flat backgrounds. If a character in a visual novel were a 3D model, or the character's background was 3D, then the 3D tag would be appropriate.

Q You're talking about a 3D style of images that still remain flat. With the development of various games with a built-in visual studio, there are too many “3D” crafts on renpai. People simply take screenshots in the studio of some game, insert these screenshots into their game and post them on the Internet as a “3D game”. Previously, this kind of crap didn’t exist, but now self-respecting sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag so that beautiful screenshots wouldn’t mislead people

(1). They are selected by the devs and any tag can be selected, even one that is not in the list or does not exist yet. Yes. This is so. You can browse ANY tag and will not get a 404 error message.

With every message you seem dumber and dumber to me. How will the user understand that there is a tag on the site that is not in the list of site tags? HOW WILL HE KNOW? Don't you see the problem here? I see. If the tag is hidden, then what difference does it make whether it is there or not?

This is my first time visiting the site. And I want to find interesting games based on tags. What tags will I use? That's right, those tags that I see in the site interface. I repeat the question once again. How do I know that the site has tags if they are not in the list?

(3). I do not know and I do not care. But it does not look like an automated list. Probably a site admin curates the list from time to time. The tags on that list are sometimes called suggested tags.

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPEN (sarcasm). You said that itch cannot influence anything and everything is decided by game developers. And now it turns out that itch does decide something? So maybe my proposal to add tags to this list still makes some sense?

Tell itch to change the see all tags button, because it is misleading. It should read, see suggested tags or something like that. It made you think that "all tags" means that it will show exhaustivly all tags.

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPEN (sarcasm). It looks like I “heard” the first reasonable thought from you during our communication

That is how I found out, that the list is incomplete and you can write and guess any tag.

Well, I never looked at the description under the spoiler. What useful information is there? Game platform? I select it during the search, and I know for sure that I will only find PC games. Tags? I only look at them while searching. If I went to the game’s page, it means I’m already interested in it and the rest doesn’t matter.

But what I used was the “Similar Games” button. The site searches for games with similar tags, but only uses official tags. This is easy to check. Take the link - https://itch.io/games/tag-3dcg

This is a list of games that are EXACTLY tagged with the 3dcg tag. We open each game and look at similar games.

  1. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic Ren'Py Romance
  2. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic
  3. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Anime Male protagonist Parody Romance Visual Novel
  4. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Dating Sim Erotic Management Simulation Story Rich
  5. Related tags: Adventure Adult Parody
  6. Related tags: Role Playing Adult Erotic Fantasy Gay Monsters Point & Click Role Playing Sandbox Singleplayer
  7. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Adventure Furry Sandbox Unity
  8. Related tags: Visual Novel Anime Cute Fantasy Parody Ren'Py Visual Novel
  9. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Male protagonist Multiple Endings Visual Novel
  10. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic Male protagonist Ren'Py Story Rich
  11. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Erotic Female Protagonist Male protagonist Ren'Py Visual Novel
  12. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult
  13. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Adventure Unity
  14. Related tags: Visual Novel 3D Adult Erotic Fantasy Visual Novel
  15. Related tags: Puzzle Erotic Lesbian Puzzle
  16. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Male protagonist
  17. Related tags: Visual Novel Adventure Fantasy Male protagonist Visual Novel
  18. Related tags: Visual Novel Adult Male protagonist Ren'Py Romance Story Rich

I looked at 18 games, and none of them offered me games with the 3DCG tag. If this tag is added officially, the situation will change

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And I didn’t understand what you wrote next.

I bought myself a video card. Not very powerful, but before I didn’t have a video card at all (Ryzen with integrated graphics). And now I can play more demanding and non-optimized games. Large AAA 3D games are usually more optimized than Unity games. And now, having a normal video card, I want to play 3D games. But before that I need to find them, but I can’t. Due to the fact that under the 3D tag, everything is mixed up. If I use any other tag, I couldn't find what I need. I need a 3D tag or a 3D game tag

How would I have known about the existence of this tag if you had not told me about it? It's not in the list of tags.

You click the little info box on a game page and there you click on a tag. Or you guess common words that might be used.

There will always be people disagreeing with the choice of tags or even the meaning of tags. Or their relevance. You disagree with both, ok. Moving on.

And again a lie

Quote the whole thing. And not a part of it, that you can construe to your childish accusation of lying.

It is enough to remove the 3D tag from the list of tags and clear its description.

This is naive. The tags you suggest already exist, and almost no one bothers to use them or write a description for them. Did you write a description for them? If enough people do this, those tags might get a description. 

I think this is the core of the misunderstanding here: you expect tags to be used by a set of rules and strict definitions of tags. But that is not what tags are. They are an association with a concept. Not a pledge to adhere to a definition. The use of the term "description" and the fact that users can suggest new description for a tag should make this clear.

Tags do not follow any such ruleset. You did notice that devs are not required to fill up all their 10 tags? And more important there is no rules in which order the tags have to be chosen. Imagine this game:

It is "3d", uses "3dcg" as rewards, is a "3d game", is made in "Unity", "single-player", has "puzzle"s, was participant in "Ludum Dare" game jam, is "educational", has some "sports", the game is also scary as it is a "horror" game, it is playable "casual" and is of course "indie", the style is "Anime", the game is "funny" and has "multiple endings", it features "zombies" and "robots",  it can be played with a "controller" and features a "story rich" background of  "time travel", because, why not.

I count about 20 things I would like to tag. But which should I chose? And how do I judge the relevance of each tags? I might even chose to not select any of the 3d tags. There is no requirement to tag the dimensions of the game graphics. Now that would be a suggestion, to have a separate quality that devs could select. There is the input type in the game info box. You can put mouse, keyboard, controller and such in there. What you seek is an output type. 

Can you write me a definition of what a “word” is?

Your insulting is getting boring. 

But here you go. It depends on the context what you mean with "word". But they key attribute of words, is, that they are the building blocks of sentences and speech.

Tags are labels, qualities, attributes, whatever you might want to call them. They are even words according to the naive definition of, a word is a thing I can say.

To put it differently: tags are made out of words, but are not used as words. It is the words that are used as tags. And they can have different meaning in their usage as tags. Different from any definition in a dictionary or their technical meaning.

but now self-respecting sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag

3dcg stems from games that used cg as a (short) term for the rare ingame graphic, that was static computer generated (images). Typically the reward pic. You might have noticed a certain common attribute all the games here on itch that used that tag do have.

Also, if you check google trends, you will find, that the term 3dcg has the same search frequency, as it had 5 years before. This is not a new term, nor is it used the way you think it is used. It also has not the meaning of screenshots. It just means computer generated. 

You might find a nieche site  that does have central "tagging" according to their own rules and put those screenshot games into 3dcg category. It is not wrong, but misleading. Other nieche sites will show you high quality short movies and pictures made in advanced raytracing apps not unlike the ones that produce cinema animation movies for the same "tag". Actually, you probably are used to one of those sites and think all sites are like this.

But what I used was the “Similar Games” button. The site searches for games with similar tags, but only uses official tags.

It says related. That is not quite the same as similar, but I do not know what the intention is. I would expect a selection of games according to the motto of: if you like this game, you might also like those games.

If it is merely a: look, those games have shared tags, what is the point? I can just click those tags in the game description. I can even combine the most important tags, that I liked the most. There is little of a button that does just this.

Also I tried a bit. Explain, why I can click related games on a game that only has one tag and will find lots of games, but none of those games share the single tag the game had. Or another situation, the games shown only share one or two of the tags.

This is speculation, but the tags it shows on related game, might just be the suggested tags and have little to do with the games shown. It takes about three months for the algorithm to analyze what games are related to each other. And itch will not tell how it works, because people will try to exploit this information. Also, they include random in ranking and in search results.

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But to end this. I believe I know exactly what you seek and why you do not find it. But I will not discuss specifics in open community.

The problem is, this is an indie platform. For indie games. This is amateur and hobby game developers without much budget, with the occasional small game studio. 3d is not cheap. It is more difficult to develop and it does not run on the potato level machines and mobile devices often used by users of the site. So using 3d will decrease the size of the audience, in addition to being hard to do.

What does this mean for your little search predicament. It means that you search for games, that are rare here. Especially in the nieche you are browsing.

You will find some here

https://itch.io/games/made-with-3ds-max

And of course with the 3d tag. Or the other tags I mentioned that imply a 3d game environment, most common is third-person. But you will not get an exhaustive list of such games with any tags.

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Это не новый термин, и он не используется так, как вы думаете. Это также не имеет значения скриншотов.

And again lies

Should I continue to list sites that have such tags?

It's not a new term, and it's not used in the way you might think. It also doesn't matter the screenshots.

That is what your quote says translated back to English. The first sentence reads correct. The second sentence is nonsensical. The third sentence is missing.

I was refering to your statement of "sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag so that beautiful screenshots wouldn’t mislead people"

The term 3dcg is much older than 5 years, so it cannot be that they have started tagging games with it. Started is the important word.

There might be a misunderstanding, as I understood you meant it to describe games that use screenshots from koikatsu or a similar engine. So I explained that it does not mean screenshots, but it means computer generated.

But either way, you assume there is an intention to avoid misleading. I disagree. It is just them tagging stuff into categories of 2dcg, 3dcg and whatever else they use as their pool of tags.

Stuff in the quality of those pixar animation movies are also called 3dcg. Search the internet and not your malware spreading sites, if you do not believe.

Citing sites that use the tag proves what exactly? That the term is used as a tag. It does prove nothing else. It does not prove that they started using it. It does not prove that they use it to avoid misleading. It does not even prove what they actually use it for or what it means on their respective sites.

And stop accusing people of lying. It is insulting. This is a forum. By default, all you read here is opinion, not fact. The concept of lying does not even apply in most cases. Even if you think someone is wrong. Or if you disagree with their statements.

This is about games. So let's look at the biggest game site on the planet. They have tags. They allow up to 20 tags for each game. Your sites have like 3 for each game. Those might be called tags, but they use it as category or genre. Hmm. Hmmmmmm. Seems the tag does not exist on Steam. Who would have guessed. Maaaaybe, because cg is primarily used for adult games, as proven by usage on itch. And of course 3dcg as well. And in this nieche it means, the pics are computer generated, in contrast of hand drawn. Some might even use 3dcg in contrast to 2dcg.

Since Steam does have adult games, I do not know, why they do not have the 3dcg tag. Maybe because it typically is not used for non-adult games.

Let's look at an actually respectable adult game site (and not your malware spreaders and not very legit looking sites). Nutaku. Well, you will not like this. They use the tag 3d for visual novels that have 3dcg images.

You try to make an argument of authority by citing those respectable sites that use the tag you want. But your sites are not respectable, nor important. The biggest fish in the pond, Steam, a specialiced legit adult game site and indie game platform itch that also has adult games. On all those platforms, the tags are used different from the way you want them to.

So the argument of authority is against your point of view. You can solve this, by accepting, that "tag" on those sites means "category". While on itch, it means "label". Oh and one of those sites even spells category out in the url. See?

Also, you should remove those links, as some or all contain malware ads and do not look very safe. This is open community and not a warez site.

Stuff in the quality of those pixar animation movies are also called 3dcg. Search the internet and not your malware spreading sites, if you do not believe.

Are you autistic? No really, are you really that stupid? What the fuck are we talking about here? BITCH ABOUT GAMES. ABOUT GAMES! Why the hell are you dragging movies into this? We're talking about games. AND IN GAMES, 3DCG is a well-established term. Download any visual novel, go to the game folder and you will definitely find the CG folder in which the game backgrounds are located. CG - computer graphics. In almost all games, these graphics (background pictures) are created using a computer, in Photoshop, for example, or something else. 3DCG means the same thing, but the picture was not drawn, but rendered from three-dimensional models.

Why do I know this and you don’t? Why do I understand what games with 3DCG are, but you just can’t understand it?

But let's pretend that I'm just as autistic as you, and I don't see the difference between games and movies. Games don’t only contain pictures, games also have animated pictures and videos with sound. And there are animations and videos that can be built on the game engine, or rendered in advance. And if they are rendered in advance, then this is also 3DCG. Yes, just like in the movies. But we're not talking about films!

Citing sites that use the tag proves what exactly? That the term is used as a tag. It does prove nothing else. It does not prove that they started using it. It does not prove that they use it to avoid misleading. It does not even prove what they actually use it for or what it means on their respective sites.

And now you're lying again. You said that this term is not used as I think? Here I have given you examples when this term is USED as I think. This is how games that use pre-rendered images are marked. Why do they do this? Because a screenshot of such a game, due to the 3D style, can be misleading. It looks like a still frame of a 3D game, but in reality it is a simple game with flat images. There are rare three-dimensional games that have exactly the same graphics, but are drawn in real time by the power of your PC. And not pre-rendered like in visual novels. And so as not to confuse these two types of “3D” games, they use the 3DCG tag.

Or maybe you’ll say that this tag is used differently and I’m mistaken? Okay, what do you think the 3DCG tag means if not what I described?

And of course 3dcg as well. And in this nieche it means, the pics are computer generated, in contrast of hand drawn. Some might even use 3dcg in contrast to 2dcg.

Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be? ALL pictures were created on a computer. Exceptions are photographs, or paintings painted with paints on canvas and then scanned with a scanner. Only such pictures were NOT created on a computer.

Everything else is created ON THE COMPUTER. There is Photoshop, there are graphic tablets, there are programs for “drawing” pictures with a mouse on a computer, there are pictures generated by an artificial intelligence, all this is created on a computer. This is all CG. 3DCG are also pictures created on a computer, but not drawn, but rendered based on a 3D scene. To draw a picture on a computer, you need to be able to draw pictures on a computer. To create a 3DCG picture, you just need to download some kind of 3D editor, download some kind of 3D character model, download some kind of 3D room scene, then place the character model inside the room model, give it the desired pose, emotion, and set the virtual camera at the right angle. READY. You have a pre-rendered image. At the same time, I didn’t know how to draw and still can’t.

Since Steam does have adult games, I do not know, why they do not have the 3dcg tag. Maybe because it typically is not used for non-adult games.

Why are you comparing itch with Steam? Steam is primarily a store for large games, and visual novels have appeared there relatively recently. It was originally a high-budget games store.

Next, why is there no 3DCG tag there? Yes, because there is no 3D tag? And therefore there is no confusion where there are three dimensions and where there are not. Do you understand no? On sites where there is a 3D tag, pre-rendered pictures and videos, and 3D games are marked with it. But since 2D games with 3DCG pre-rendered images became popular, many sites have introduced the 3DCG tag to differentiate these games from 3D games.

Where there was no 3D tag, the 3DCG tag is also not needed

Let's look at an actually respectable adult game site (and not your malware spreaders and not very legit looking sites). Nutaku. Well, you will not like this. They use the tag 3d for visual novels that have 3dcg images.

There are a total of 178 games with the 3D tag on this site. And most of them are DLC for the game Custom Order Maid 3D 2, which is truly 3D. There are 43 titles in total, which are considered to be one game with DLS. 135 games remain. And on itch there are only 88,807 games with the 3D tag. Do you think it's worth comparing these two sites? It is not profitable for them to divide games into more tags since there are few games themselves.

The biggest fish in the pond, Steam, a specialiced legit adult game site and indie game platform itch that also has adult games. On all those platforms, the tags are used different from the way you want them to.

With these words you showed how ignorant you are of this topic. Or you are aware and deliberately lying. “a specialized legit adult game site”, do you understand what nonsense I wrote? Their Steam regularly removes "adult" games. I have 5 games on my account that have been removed from the store and cannot be purchased. And even more games that I wanted to buy but didn’t have time, they were deleted. Lots of "adult" games on Steam with cut out "adult" content. The same koikatsu you mentioned. A patch for the return of adult content must be searched on the Internet or purchased separately, and often it is not even translated into English.

So there’s no need to talk bullshit about the adult games store here.

Itch does not have a category of: "2d games that use 3d rendered images". You wish the site would, though. And you wish there were a category for games that are "3d". Understandable wishes, but it it is arrogant to think all those devs and a site with near 900k games are wrong in their tagging and you know a better way.

Since you mention context, context does include the site you are on

You assume that the 3dcg tag is used to prevent misleading, because the games could be confused by their screenshots for actual third or first person games in a 3d engine like Unreal.

Those sites have few categories and the games are sorted by very few people. They would tag those games that way, even without screenshots.

Oh and Steam does have a 3d tag. It was mentioned in this very thread.

According to your own logic you are now a proven liar. (Actually, you are just ignorant)

Next, why is there no 3DCG tag there? Yes, because there is no 3D tag? And therefore there is no confusion where there are three dimensions and where there are not. Do you understand no? On sites where there is a 3D tag, pre-rendered pictures and videos, and 3D games are marked with it. But since 2D games with 3DCG pre-rendered images became popular, many sites have introduced the 3DCG tag to differentiate these games from 3D games.
Where there was no 3D tag, the 3DCG tag is also not needed

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191

You hurl insults yet know little about the topic.

"do you understand what nonsense I wrote?" (sic)

No. I do not. My guess is, that you are looking for adult games, browsed some "blogs" that use a labeling system by putting games into categories, and those categories that interested you most were named 3d but not 3dcg. After seeing this you assumed this is the way to do this. And when you discovered itch you were confused that you could not use the known tags here, despite itch featuring "tags". But your previous encounter with tags is an observation about a limited and biased sample size. It does not hold true for things outside that bubble. And your bubble is heavily geared towards adult games. The proof is, that all the hundreds games here on itch that do use the 3dcg tag are adult games. This alone is the strongest indicator, that all you talk about here is adult gaming subculture.

And there are very few real 3d games in the adult sector. I told you how to find some of them. You can add unreal-engine to the tags to look out for. Also, you might want to try a modded Skyrim.

Oh, and what kinda bothers me, if you browse on Steam for adult games and believe that Steam does not have a 3d tag, but insist that 3d is the correct tag for that type of game ... how did you previously find 3d games on Steam? And why can't you use the same method on itch? The usual tags like walking-simulator, third-person, first-person are also used here, and some more, relating to the engine used. If a game is made in unreal-engine, I would not assume it to be a visual novel.

Understandable wishes, but it it is arrogant to think all those devs and a site with near 900k games are wrong in their tagging and you know a better way.

That's why I think you're stupid. A stupid autist who doesn’t understand what three dimensions are!

You assume that the 3dcg tag is used to prevent misleading, because the games could be confused by their screenshots for actual third or first person games in a 3d engine like Unreal.

Maybe stop lying already? I'm not guessing, I KNOW THIS FOR SURE. I talked with the administration of some sites; other sites have descriptions of the tags. You idiot, before you write your nonsense, bitch, suggest an alternative meaning for the 3DCG tag. Facts bitch. Where are the proofs? Prove that the 3DCG tag means something else. Can you? Freak!

Oh and Steam does have a 3d tag. It was mentioned in this very thread.

PROVE. Am I the only one trying to back up my words with some kind of evidence? You just write tons of text, don’t support them with anything, and think that’s enough?

I have already written that it is inappropriate to compare Steam with big-budget games and with itch.

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191

Great, now look on Steam for visual novels that could be tagged as 3DCG. Find at least 10 such games on Steam. Can you? These are niche games that are not suitable for such a large platform as Steam. And if there are few such games, then no one on Steam bothers to create a tag for them. On Steam, they don’t even worry too much about translating tags. They translated the visual novel as a visual short story. Although novel and short story have different terms.

God, how stupid you are. When I communicate with you, I feel like I’m being infected by your stupidity. What did you write at the end of the message?

Do you even understand what a category is and what a tag is? The game's category is clear. If a game is in one category, it cannot be in another category. Not so with tags. A game can have multiple tags. A game can even have both 3D and 3DCG tags at the same time. What do categories have to do with it? Where did you get this nonsense from? I have not used any site that uses categories. Why are you lying again? I've told you many times, 3D games are three-dimensional games. Because motherfucking 3D means three dimensions. On sites where there are both tags, I will enter a search query of this type “3D -3DCG”, and get the result in the form of a list of 3D games. I already told you the fool, there are very few games there. For comparison, look at how many games with itch are presented on steam. A lot of?

When will you idiot finally understand what 3DCG is and how it differs from 3D?

I hope much of this discussion is just translation issue, as translating distorts meaning a lot, in both directions. But your rudeness and insults are just not needed. Be polite or get lost.

You accuse me of not providing evidence, yet the link provided the evidence for my claim. Did you not see that it was a link?!

And do you even realize how the blue names in that screenshot read in English? What they mean? Visit this link to understand how funny the blue name for AI-made reads. Also "realistic" should read "real". And of course "space" has the meaning "космос" in the context of games.

Instead of admitting your lie (ignorance) about the 3d tag existing on Steam, you continue to attack me and shift burden of proof to me.

About half of these games or more, are on Steam and you would like to see them tagged 3dcg.

Adult games that are tagged as 3d and as visual novel and that are on Steam. The nieche you claim is too small for Steam to have those games.

What a tag or category is, is dependant on context. Including the language. If you think a category is something that has to be exclusive, category is the wrong translation.

Instead of using single word terms, I should probably use descriptions, so you might understand what I am talking about.

I do know what 3dcg and 3d means. It is you who does not understand what the grouping by the word "3d" means on Steam or Itch. And it is you that does not understand that there is a difference between the meaning of the word 3d and the usage of that word as a grouping word. And you do not accept that the grouping by the word "3dcg" is just not popular outside of the sites you visited. Sites that use "космос" to talk about 3d games, I want to point out. I suspect how this translation oddity happens, but it is still funny. 

And for the last time: 3d as a grouping word to attach to a game means only one thing: the people attaching the word had the opinion that the word was relevant. If you know who were those people and the context you can understand the grouping. There is a difference, if the publisher does it, or a site admin, or a vote by majority. You know sites where the people were admins. And now you complain that other sites have other people doing the grouping and not doing it the same way as those site admins you got used to.

What's your problem with the word space? "three-dimensional space." You don't know what that is? There's blue text under the tags that links to the following pages.

3D (Пространство) 3DCG (Графика) AI (Нейрографика) Аnimation (Анимация) DOT/Pixel (Пиксели) Live2D (Анимация 2D) Real Porn (Реалистичное)

A three-dimensional computer game (3D) is a game with a visual space made entirely of three-dimensional objects. The character is in three-dimensional space and in some games has complete freedom of movement.

Is there any other definition of a three-dimensional game in English?

Three-dimensional graphics - a section of computer graphics, devoted to methods of creating images or videos by modeling objects in three dimensions.

3D modeling is the process of creating a three-dimensional model of an object. The task of 3D-modeling is to develop a visual volumetric image of the desired object. The model can correspond to objects from the real world (cars, buildings, hurricane, asteroid) or be completely abstract (projection of a four-dimensional fractal).

Isn't that translation enough for you? Are you gonna say it sounds funny in English again?

Next. What is a category? In the context of games, it is a division of games based on some criteria. Usually they are divided based on the main genre. The category is shooters. In this category, only games in which the shooter mechanics are basic are placed. This does not include games with shooter elements. The category is unique and one title cannot be in two categories at once.

But this does not apply to tags. There can be as many tags as you want for one title. 

I do know what 3dcg and 3d means.

Are you sure? If you knew, we wouldn't be having all this shit.

Tell me what the 3D and 3DCG tags mean in games. In games. Don't bring in movies and stuff.

It is you who does not understand what the grouping by the word "3d" means on Steam or Itch.

I understand exactly what the 3D tag on itch means. Because I can read. 

Like when your dimensions come in three? Try out some of these top 3d games on itch.io.

What are the keywords? "dimensions come in three" and "3d games." Do I have to explain to you again what three dimensions and a 3d game are?

Sites that use "космос" to talk about 3d games, I want to point out.

Where did you get the word "космос" from? "космос" is only one of four translations of the word "space".

3d as a grouping word to attach to a game means only one thing: the people attaching the word had the opinion that the word was relevant.

But that doesn't mean people aren't wrong to add that tag to their game.

I'm proving it to you once again. Let's say I'm a developer. I made a game in which there are no three dimensions, but there are pictures in three-dimensional style. What tag should I put? I go to the website and look at the list of tags. I see the 3D tag and I add it. It's the closest tag that I can find that works for me.

If there was a 3DCG tag next to the 3D tag, I would put the second one. But it's not there. People take the easy way out. If there is no tag, but they take the time to google, look for other tags, add new ones. They work with tags that are already there. That's what most people do. That said, unofficially, there is still a 3DCG tag on the site. Those who used it are not as lazy as others. They added the appropriate tag even though the site itself did not offer it to them. Respect to such people.

You say that this tag is only used for adult games. Why is that? Yes because such graphics, such a way of creating graphics for games, are used mainly by creators of adult content. Usually creators of visual novels or rpg maker games. And there are a VERY large number of such games.



I'm complaining because the administration doesn't understand what I'm trying to convey. I'm not asking for anything outrageous. Just add a new tag. Is that so hard?

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"space" is a word with many meanings. In the context of games, it is about outer space. Usually science fiction. Often with space ships.

Therefore the blue "space" under the "3d" was quite funny. It might have been intended as spatial (пространственный). Translating tags is tricky.

The usual abreviation is three-dimensional and not space. And even that gets shortened to 3d.

The issue is, that tagging a game "3d" is not the same as saying it is a three dimensional game. If I talk to you and say, let's play this new 3d game, the meaning is clear. But no one is talking to you, when you just read a bunch of tags that are attached to a game.

If I see turn-based in addition to 3d, and no third-person, first-person or fps, or walking-simulator, I will not assume that it is a "3d game". At least not the game play. There are platformer 2d games that have the character model rendered in 3d. Would they qualify for "3d game". I would say: no. But they totally qualify to be tagged with 3d.

About the categories. Whatever word you use in your language seems to have not the exact same meaning in English. There is no fixed meaning what you can call a category, other than that you use it to group stuff together. Genres can be categories. Actually, on itch the selection says this: Genre Select the category that best describes your game. You can pick additional genres with tags below

So whatever you think a category is, itch thinks, games can have more than one.

Tell me what the 3D and 3DCG tags mean in games.

I already did, but here again: it means that the chooser of the tag was of the opinion that the tag was appropriate. Nothing more, nothing less.

What you really want to know, is, what to expect of a game tagged by this. For 3dcg I expect an adult game with rendered pics. For 3d I expect the game having to do something with 3d. I argued early in this thread, that I believe the 3d tag to be superflous. It is not even tagged on many 3d games on Steam, while they do have 20 tags and not only 10. If the main aspect of the game is, that it is a 3d game, third-person or first-person or fps or walking-simulator are better tags.

This is for the popular game Cyberpunk. That is a 3d game. But no 3d tag. Infact, the 3d tag seems to be used so seldom, that you believed, Steam does not feature it.

The next tags are for God of War. If those tags are ranked by popularity, 3d is second to last.


I understand exactly what the 3D tag on itch means.

That is a suggested description, not a definition. And that description is bad. Switch from games to comics. It will read the same. Yes, there are comics tagged 3d. The only thing the description does, it spells out what 3d stands for. Three dimensions. And then it goes in a circle.

What would be a 3d comic for you? You seem convinced that there is such a thing as "3d game" as a fixed term. There might have been, and there might still be, but other grouping words are more popular. From my experience, for this type of game, fps is the most common term, even if no shooting occurs. In recent years, walking-simulator seems to be the word for fps without shooting.

There is a reason why I recommend those: first person, third person, walking simulator, fps, fps-platformer and later Unreal-engine, and the made in labels, for example 3dsmax ( https://itch.io/game-development/tools ). And that reason is, that the 3d tag is often useless, as you also have found out.

If there was a 3DCG tag next to the 3D tag, I would put the second one.

You would. But would most devs do that too? And would they do that retroactively? 3dcg is known to me and you. If they know it too, they might know that usually adult games use it. Just look at the devs using it, not a single one used it for a non adult game. Not even one.

I'm complaining because the administration doesn't understand what I'm trying to convey. I'm not asking for anything outrageous. Just add a new tag. Is that so hard?

As was explained to you, that is not a thing the administration controls. Nor were you talking to administration here. This is community. That mod is not itch staff. He does forum moderation. And itch chose not to control it, it is their tagging system and they decided to give the power of tagging to the developers that publish the games. And the developers will  see this, if they look for it on the faq:

You're allowed to add free-form tags to your project page to aid in discovery. Please choose tags that are relevant to your project.

Prefer using a suggested tag over creating a new one. We make the suggested tags easier to find. If nothing fits then add your own, we may even promote it to a suggested tag.

Personally, I believe the tag is not important, because 3d became "cheap". So what is the point in boasting 3d graphics. The more interesting fact is perspective and content. Cyperpunk has tag first-person, and God of War has tag third-person. On Steam, by popular vote. 

Visual novel is a genre, but it will still get filtered out by this. You can filter a single tag/genre. Write it as seen in the url.

But to find "3d games", you will be better off by searching for perspective, imho.

?exclude=tg.visual-novel

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https://itch.io/games/tag-3d?exclude=tg.visual-novel