It's not a new term, and it's not used in the way you might think. It also doesn't matter the screenshots.
That is what your quote says translated back to English. The first sentence reads correct. The second sentence is nonsensical. The third sentence is missing.
I was refering to your statement of "sites have started tagging such games with the 3DCG tag so that beautiful screenshots wouldn’t mislead people"
The term 3dcg is much older than 5 years, so it cannot be that they have started tagging games with it. Started is the important word.
There might be a misunderstanding, as I understood you meant it to describe games that use screenshots from koikatsu or a similar engine. So I explained that it does not mean screenshots, but it means computer generated.
But either way, you assume there is an intention to avoid misleading. I disagree. It is just them tagging stuff into categories of 2dcg, 3dcg and whatever else they use as their pool of tags.
Stuff in the quality of those pixar animation movies are also called 3dcg. Search the internet and not your malware spreading sites, if you do not believe.
Citing sites that use the tag proves what exactly? That the term is used as a tag. It does prove nothing else. It does not prove that they started using it. It does not prove that they use it to avoid misleading. It does not even prove what they actually use it for or what it means on their respective sites.
And stop accusing people of lying. It is insulting. This is a forum. By default, all you read here is opinion, not fact. The concept of lying does not even apply in most cases. Even if you think someone is wrong. Or if you disagree with their statements.
This is about games. So let's look at the biggest game site on the planet. They have tags. They allow up to 20 tags for each game. Your sites have like 3 for each game. Those might be called tags, but they use it as category or genre. Hmm. Hmmmmmm. Seems the tag does not exist on Steam. Who would have guessed. Maaaaybe, because cg is primarily used for adult games, as proven by usage on itch. And of course 3dcg as well. And in this nieche it means, the pics are computer generated, in contrast of hand drawn. Some might even use 3dcg in contrast to 2dcg.
Since Steam does have adult games, I do not know, why they do not have the 3dcg tag. Maybe because it typically is not used for non-adult games.
Let's look at an actually respectable adult game site (and not your malware spreaders and not very legit looking sites). Nutaku. Well, you will not like this. They use the tag 3d for visual novels that have 3dcg images.
You try to make an argument of authority by citing those respectable sites that use the tag you want. But your sites are not respectable, nor important. The biggest fish in the pond, Steam, a specialiced legit adult game site and indie game platform itch that also has adult games. On all those platforms, the tags are used different from the way you want them to.
So the argument of authority is against your point of view. You can solve this, by accepting, that "tag" on those sites means "category". While on itch, it means "label". Oh and one of those sites even spells category out in the url. See?
Also, you should remove those links, as some or all contain malware ads and do not look very safe. This is open community and not a warez site.
Stuff in the quality of those pixar animation movies are also called 3dcg. Search the internet and not your malware spreading sites, if you do not believe.
Are you autistic? No really, are you really that stupid? What the fuck are we talking about here? BITCH ABOUT GAMES. ABOUT GAMES! Why the hell are you dragging movies into this? We're talking about games. AND IN GAMES, 3DCG is a well-established term. Download any visual novel, go to the game folder and you will definitely find the CG folder in which the game backgrounds are located. CG - computer graphics. In almost all games, these graphics (background pictures) are created using a computer, in Photoshop, for example, or something else. 3DCG means the same thing, but the picture was not drawn, but rendered from three-dimensional models.
Why do I know this and you don’t? Why do I understand what games with 3DCG are, but you just can’t understand it?
But let's pretend that I'm just as autistic as you, and I don't see the difference between games and movies. Games don’t only contain pictures, games also have animated pictures and videos with sound. And there are animations and videos that can be built on the game engine, or rendered in advance. And if they are rendered in advance, then this is also 3DCG. Yes, just like in the movies. But we're not talking about films!
Citing sites that use the tag proves what exactly? That the term is used as a tag. It does prove nothing else. It does not prove that they started using it. It does not prove that they use it to avoid misleading. It does not even prove what they actually use it for or what it means on their respective sites.
And now you're lying again. You said that this term is not used as I think? Here I have given you examples when this term is USED as I think. This is how games that use pre-rendered images are marked. Why do they do this? Because a screenshot of such a game, due to the 3D style, can be misleading. It looks like a still frame of a 3D game, but in reality it is a simple game with flat images. There are rare three-dimensional games that have exactly the same graphics, but are drawn in real time by the power of your PC. And not pre-rendered like in visual novels. And so as not to confuse these two types of “3D” games, they use the 3DCG tag.
Or maybe you’ll say that this tag is used differently and I’m mistaken? Okay, what do you think the 3DCG tag means if not what I described?
And of course 3dcg as well. And in this nieche it means, the pics are computer generated, in contrast of hand drawn. Some might even use 3dcg in contrast to 2dcg.
Are you really that stupid or are you pretending to be? ALL pictures were created on a computer. Exceptions are photographs, or paintings painted with paints on canvas and then scanned with a scanner. Only such pictures were NOT created on a computer.
Everything else is created ON THE COMPUTER. There is Photoshop, there are graphic tablets, there are programs for “drawing” pictures with a mouse on a computer, there are pictures generated by an artificial intelligence, all this is created on a computer. This is all CG. 3DCG are also pictures created on a computer, but not drawn, but rendered based on a 3D scene. To draw a picture on a computer, you need to be able to draw pictures on a computer. To create a 3DCG picture, you just need to download some kind of 3D editor, download some kind of 3D character model, download some kind of 3D room scene, then place the character model inside the room model, give it the desired pose, emotion, and set the virtual camera at the right angle. READY. You have a pre-rendered image. At the same time, I didn’t know how to draw and still can’t.
Since Steam does have adult games, I do not know, why they do not have the 3dcg tag. Maybe because it typically is not used for non-adult games.
Why are you comparing itch with Steam? Steam is primarily a store for large games, and visual novels have appeared there relatively recently. It was originally a high-budget games store.
Next, why is there no 3DCG tag there? Yes, because there is no 3D tag? And therefore there is no confusion where there are three dimensions and where there are not. Do you understand no? On sites where there is a 3D tag, pre-rendered pictures and videos, and 3D games are marked with it. But since 2D games with 3DCG pre-rendered images became popular, many sites have introduced the 3DCG tag to differentiate these games from 3D games.
Where there was no 3D tag, the 3DCG tag is also not needed
Let's look at an actually respectable adult game site (and not your malware spreaders and not very legit looking sites). Nutaku. Well, you will not like this. They use the tag 3d for visual novels that have 3dcg images.
There are a total of 178 games with the 3D tag on this site. And most of them are DLC for the game Custom Order Maid 3D 2, which is truly 3D. There are 43 titles in total, which are considered to be one game with DLS. 135 games remain. And on itch there are only 88,807 games with the 3D tag. Do you think it's worth comparing these two sites? It is not profitable for them to divide games into more tags since there are few games themselves.
The biggest fish in the pond, Steam, a specialiced legit adult game site and indie game platform itch that also has adult games. On all those platforms, the tags are used different from the way you want them to.
With these words you showed how ignorant you are of this topic. Or you are aware and deliberately lying. “a specialized legit adult game site”, do you understand what nonsense I wrote? Their Steam regularly removes "adult" games. I have 5 games on my account that have been removed from the store and cannot be purchased. And even more games that I wanted to buy but didn’t have time, they were deleted. Lots of "adult" games on Steam with cut out "adult" content. The same koikatsu you mentioned. A patch for the return of adult content must be searched on the Internet or purchased separately, and often it is not even translated into English.
So there’s no need to talk bullshit about the adult games store here.
Itch does not have a category of: "2d games that use 3d rendered images". You wish the site would, though. And you wish there were a category for games that are "3d". Understandable wishes, but it it is arrogant to think all those devs and a site with near 900k games are wrong in their tagging and you know a better way.
Since you mention context, context does include the site you are on.
You assume that the 3dcg tag is used to prevent misleading, because the games could be confused by their screenshots for actual third or first person games in a 3d engine like Unreal.
Those sites have few categories and the games are sorted by very few people. They would tag those games that way, even without screenshots.
Oh and Steam does have a 3d tag. It was mentioned in this very thread.
According to your own logic you are now a proven liar. (Actually, you are just ignorant)
Next, why is there no 3DCG tag there? Yes, because there is no 3D tag? And therefore there is no confusion where there are three dimensions and where there are not. Do you understand no? On sites where there is a 3D tag, pre-rendered pictures and videos, and 3D games are marked with it. But since 2D games with 3DCG pre-rendered images became popular, many sites have introduced the 3DCG tag to differentiate these games from 3D games.
Where there was no 3D tag, the 3DCG tag is also not needed
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191
You hurl insults yet know little about the topic.
"do you understand what nonsense I wrote?" (sic)
No. I do not. My guess is, that you are looking for adult games, browsed some "blogs" that use a labeling system by putting games into categories, and those categories that interested you most were named 3d but not 3dcg. After seeing this you assumed this is the way to do this. And when you discovered itch you were confused that you could not use the known tags here, despite itch featuring "tags". But your previous encounter with tags is an observation about a limited and biased sample size. It does not hold true for things outside that bubble. And your bubble is heavily geared towards adult games. The proof is, that all the hundreds games here on itch that do use the 3dcg tag are adult games. This alone is the strongest indicator, that all you talk about here is adult gaming subculture.
And there are very few real 3d games in the adult sector. I told you how to find some of them. You can add unreal-engine to the tags to look out for. Also, you might want to try a modded Skyrim.
Oh, and what kinda bothers me, if you browse on Steam for adult games and believe that Steam does not have a 3d tag, but insist that 3d is the correct tag for that type of game ... how did you previously find 3d games on Steam? And why can't you use the same method on itch? The usual tags like walking-simulator, third-person, first-person are also used here, and some more, relating to the engine used. If a game is made in unreal-engine, I would not assume it to be a visual novel.
Understandable wishes, but it it is arrogant to think all those devs and a site with near 900k games are wrong in their tagging and you know a better way.
That's why I think you're stupid. A stupid autist who doesn’t understand what three dimensions are!
You assume that the 3dcg tag is used to prevent misleading, because the games could be confused by their screenshots for actual third or first person games in a 3d engine like Unreal.
Maybe stop lying already? I'm not guessing, I KNOW THIS FOR SURE. I talked with the administration of some sites; other sites have descriptions of the tags. You idiot, before you write your nonsense, bitch, suggest an alternative meaning for the 3DCG tag. Facts bitch. Where are the proofs? Prove that the 3DCG tag means something else. Can you? Freak!
Oh and Steam does have a 3d tag. It was mentioned in this very thread.
PROVE. Am I the only one trying to back up my words with some kind of evidence? You just write tons of text, don’t support them with anything, and think that’s enough?
I have already written that it is inappropriate to compare Steam with big-budget games and with itch.
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4191
Great, now look on Steam for visual novels that could be tagged as 3DCG. Find at least 10 such games on Steam. Can you? These are niche games that are not suitable for such a large platform as Steam. And if there are few such games, then no one on Steam bothers to create a tag for them. On Steam, they don’t even worry too much about translating tags. They translated the visual novel as a visual short story. Although novel and short story have different terms.
God, how stupid you are. When I communicate with you, I feel like I’m being infected by your stupidity. What did you write at the end of the message?
Do you even understand what a category is and what a tag is? The game's category is clear. If a game is in one category, it cannot be in another category. Not so with tags. A game can have multiple tags. A game can even have both 3D and 3DCG tags at the same time. What do categories have to do with it? Where did you get this nonsense from? I have not used any site that uses categories. Why are you lying again? I've told you many times, 3D games are three-dimensional games. Because motherfucking 3D means three dimensions. On sites where there are both tags, I will enter a search query of this type “3D -3DCG”, and get the result in the form of a list of 3D games. I already told you the fool, there are very few games there. For comparison, look at how many games with itch are presented on steam. A lot of?
When will you idiot finally understand what 3DCG is and how it differs from 3D?
I hope much of this discussion is just translation issue, as translating distorts meaning a lot, in both directions. But your rudeness and insults are just not needed. Be polite or get lost.
You accuse me of not providing evidence, yet the link provided the evidence for my claim. Did you not see that it was a link?!
And do you even realize how the blue names in that screenshot read in English? What they mean? Visit this link to understand how funny the blue name for AI-made reads. Also "realistic" should read "real". And of course "space" has the meaning "космос" in the context of games.
Instead of admitting your lie (ignorance) about the 3d tag existing on Steam, you continue to attack me and shift burden of proof to me.
About half of these games or more, are on Steam and you would like to see them tagged 3dcg.
What a tag or category is, is dependant on context. Including the language. If you think a category is something that has to be exclusive, category is the wrong translation.
Instead of using single word terms, I should probably use descriptions, so you might understand what I am talking about.
I do know what 3dcg and 3d means. It is you who does not understand what the grouping by the word "3d" means on Steam or Itch. And it is you that does not understand that there is a difference between the meaning of the word 3d and the usage of that word as a grouping word. And you do not accept that the grouping by the word "3dcg" is just not popular outside of the sites you visited. Sites that use "космос" to talk about 3d games, I want to point out. I suspect how this translation oddity happens, but it is still funny.
And for the last time: 3d as a grouping word to attach to a game means only one thing: the people attaching the word had the opinion that the word was relevant. If you know who were those people and the context you can understand the grouping. There is a difference, if the publisher does it, or a site admin, or a vote by majority. You know sites where the people were admins. And now you complain that other sites have other people doing the grouping and not doing it the same way as those site admins you got used to.
What's your problem with the word space? "three-dimensional space." You don't know what that is? There's blue text under the tags that links to the following pages.
| 3D (Пространство) | 3DCG (Графика) | AI (Нейрографика) | Аnimation (Анимация) | DOT/Pixel (Пиксели) | Live2D (Анимация 2D) | Real Porn (Реалистичное) |
A three-dimensional computer game (3D) is a game with a visual space made entirely of three-dimensional objects. The character is in three-dimensional space and in some games has complete freedom of movement.
Is there any other definition of a three-dimensional game in English?
Three-dimensional graphics - a section of computer graphics, devoted to methods of creating images or videos by modeling objects in three dimensions.
3D modeling is the process of creating a three-dimensional model of an object. The task of 3D-modeling is to develop a visual volumetric image of the desired object. The model can correspond to objects from the real world (cars, buildings, hurricane, asteroid) or be completely abstract (projection of a four-dimensional fractal).
Isn't that translation enough for you? Are you gonna say it sounds funny in English again?
Next. What is a category? In the context of games, it is a division of games based on some criteria. Usually they are divided based on the main genre. The category is shooters. In this category, only games in which the shooter mechanics are basic are placed. This does not include games with shooter elements. The category is unique and one title cannot be in two categories at once.
But this does not apply to tags. There can be as many tags as you want for one title.
I do know what 3dcg and 3d means.
Are you sure? If you knew, we wouldn't be having all this shit.
Tell me what the 3D and 3DCG tags mean in games. In games. Don't bring in movies and stuff.
It is you who does not understand what the grouping by the word "3d" means on Steam or Itch.
I understand exactly what the 3D tag on itch means. Because I can read.
Like when your dimensions come in three? Try out some of these top 3d games on itch.io.
What are the keywords? "dimensions come in three" and "3d games." Do I have to explain to you again what three dimensions and a 3d game are?
Sites that use "космос" to talk about 3d games, I want to point out.
Where did you get the word "космос" from? "космос" is only one of four translations of the word "space".
3d as a grouping word to attach to a game means only one thing: the people attaching the word had the opinion that the word was relevant.
But that doesn't mean people aren't wrong to add that tag to their game.
I'm proving it to you once again. Let's say I'm a developer. I made a game in which there are no three dimensions, but there are pictures in three-dimensional style. What tag should I put? I go to the website and look at the list of tags. I see the 3D tag and I add it. It's the closest tag that I can find that works for me.
If there was a 3DCG tag next to the 3D tag, I would put the second one. But it's not there. People take the easy way out. If there is no tag, but they take the time to google, look for other tags, add new ones. They work with tags that are already there. That's what most people do. That said, unofficially, there is still a 3DCG tag on the site. Those who used it are not as lazy as others. They added the appropriate tag even though the site itself did not offer it to them. Respect to such people.
You say that this tag is only used for adult games. Why is that? Yes because such graphics, such a way of creating graphics for games, are used mainly by creators of adult content. Usually creators of visual novels or rpg maker games. And there are a VERY large number of such games.
I'm complaining because the administration doesn't understand what I'm trying to convey. I'm not asking for anything outrageous. Just add a new tag. Is that so hard?
This mightwill get garbled in translation.
"space" is a word with many meanings. In the context of games, it is about outer space. Usually science fiction. Often with space ships.
Therefore the blue "space" under the "3d" was quite funny. It might have been intended as spatial (пространственный). Translating tags is tricky.
The usual abreviation is three-dimensional and not space. And even that gets shortened to 3d.
The issue is, that tagging a game "3d" is not the same as saying it is a three dimensional game. If I talk to you and say, let's play this new 3d game, the meaning is clear. But no one is talking to you, when you just read a bunch of tags that are attached to a game.
If I see turn-based in addition to 3d, and no third-person, first-person or fps, or walking-simulator, I will not assume that it is a "3d game". At least not the game play. There are platformer 2d games that have the character model rendered in 3d. Would they qualify for "3d game". I would say: no. But they totally qualify to be tagged with 3d.
About the categories. Whatever word you use in your language seems to have not the exact same meaning in English. There is no fixed meaning what you can call a category, other than that you use it to group stuff together. Genres can be categories. Actually, on itch the selection says this: Genre Select the category that best describes your game. You can pick additional genres with tags below
So whatever you think a category is, itch thinks, games can have more than one.
Tell me what the 3D and 3DCG tags mean in games.
I already did, but here again: it means that the chooser of the tag was of the opinion that the tag was appropriate. Nothing more, nothing less.
What you really want to know, is, what to expect of a game tagged by this. For 3dcg I expect an adult game with rendered pics. For 3d I expect the game having to do something with 3d. I argued early in this thread, that I believe the 3d tag to be superflous. It is not even tagged on many 3d games on Steam, while they do have 20 tags and not only 10. If the main aspect of the game is, that it is a 3d game, third-person or first-person or fps or walking-simulator are better tags.
This is for the popular game Cyberpunk. That is a 3d game. But no 3d tag. Infact, the 3d tag seems to be used so seldom, that you believed, Steam does not feature it.
The next tags are for God of War. If those tags are ranked by popularity, 3d is second to last.
I understand exactly what the 3D tag on itch means.
That is a suggested description, not a definition. And that description is bad. Switch from games to comics. It will read the same. Yes, there are comics tagged 3d. The only thing the description does, it spells out what 3d stands for. Three dimensions. And then it goes in a circle.
What would be a 3d comic for you? You seem convinced that there is such a thing as "3d game" as a fixed term. There might have been, and there might still be, but other grouping words are more popular. From my experience, for this type of game, fps is the most common term, even if no shooting occurs. In recent years, walking-simulator seems to be the word for fps without shooting.
There is a reason why I recommend those: first person, third person, walking simulator, fps, fps-platformer and later Unreal-engine, and the made in labels, for example 3dsmax ( https://itch.io/game-development/tools ). And that reason is, that the 3d tag is often useless, as you also have found out.
If there was a 3DCG tag next to the 3D tag, I would put the second one.
You would. But would most devs do that too? And would they do that retroactively? 3dcg is known to me and you. If they know it too, they might know that usually adult games use it. Just look at the devs using it, not a single one used it for a non adult game. Not even one.
I'm complaining because the administration doesn't understand what I'm trying to convey. I'm not asking for anything outrageous. Just add a new tag. Is that so hard?
As was explained to you, that is not a thing the administration controls. Nor were you talking to administration here. This is community. That mod is not itch staff. He does forum moderation. And itch chose not to control it, it is their tagging system and they decided to give the power of tagging to the developers that publish the games. And the developers will see this, if they look for it on the faq:
You're allowed to add free-form tags to your project page to aid in discovery. Please choose tags that are relevant to your project.
Prefer using a suggested tag over creating a new one. We make the suggested tags easier to find. If nothing fits then add your own, we may even promote it to a suggested tag.
Personally, I believe the tag is not important, because 3d became "cheap". So what is the point in boasting 3d graphics. The more interesting fact is perspective and content. Cyperpunk has tag first-person, and God of War has tag third-person. On Steam, by popular vote.
Visual novel is a genre, but it will still get filtered out by this. You can filter a single tag/genre. Write it as seen in the url.
But to find "3d games", you will be better off by searching for perspective, imho.
?exclude=tg.visual-novel
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https://itch.io/games/tag-3d?exclude=tg.visual-novel
"space" is a word with many meanings. In the context of games, it is about outer space. Usually science fiction. Often with space ships.
Are you a complete idiot? It says 3D and at the bottom it says space and a link to the article "3D computer game". What the fuck is space? Three-dimensional space. Where the fuck is space? There's not a single space game on that site.
(spatial)? Well, you're an idiot. You should at least read in which cases this word is used and what it means.
Vadim Rossman, Capitals. Their diversity, patterns of development and relocation, 2013
Manuel Castells, The Power of Communication, 2013
И. D. Afanasenko, Economic Logistics. Textbook for universities, 2013
Berdyaev N. A., Philosophy of Freedom, 1911
Berdyaev N. A., The Fate of Russia, 1917
Tolstoy L. N., War and Peace. Volume Four, 1873
No one uses the word spatial in the context of number of dimensions. Even in your own language there is the phrase "three dimensions of space". Or "space-time".
The usual abreviation is three-dimensional and not space. And even that gets shortened to 3d.
And the full text, three dimensions of space. If the tag is called 3D, how to specify in one word that it is about three dimensions? Right, add the word "Пространство".
The issue is, that tagging a game "3d" is not the same as saying it is a three dimensional game.
And after saying that, you're lying to me that you understand the meaning of the 3D tag? Tag three is, you stupid idiot, THREE dimensions. If there are no THREE DIMENSIONS in the game, it's not 3D!
If I talk to you and say, let's play this new 3d game, the meaning is clear. But no one is talking to you, when you just read a bunch of tags that are attached to a game.
I run the tags in my head reading them myself. Example tags.
[2019, SLG, 3D, Constructor, ADV, School, Tiny tits, Big tits, Anal, Oral, Group, Uniform].
I'm reading this to myself and I'm insightful. Yep, the game of 2019. A simulation game (SLG means simulator). The game is three dimensional (there's a 3D tag in there). You can construct something in the game (usually meaning character constructor). The game is about school. And so on. I read each tag and realize what exactly is in this game.
If I see turn-based in addition to 3d, and no third-person, first-person or fps, or walking-simulator, I will not assume that it is a "3d game". At least not the game play. There are platformer 2d games that have the character model rendered in 3d. Would they qualify for "3d game". I would say: no. But they totally qualify to be tagged with 3d.
No, that's 3D, too. A platformer in which the environment and character are flat pictures (sprites), completely 2D. A game where the character or the background (or all together) is a three-dimensional model is a three-dimensional game.
There are visual novels where both the background and the character in the background are pictures. And there are rare games where the background is a picture, and the character is a three-dimensional model. And well animated model. And this is a three-dimensional game.
You won't argue that Resident Evil 1996 is a three-dimensional game, will you?
Are you having trouble with a 3d platformer because there are 3D models but you can't rotate the camera? And what then to speak about visual novels there are only pictures, animations and videos. There are no three-dimensional models at all. Can such games be called three-dimensional?
About the categories. Whatever word you use in your language seems to have not the exact same meaning in English.
The categories are best told by a live example. You have a real physical object. I don't know, a plate, for example. You have to put it into some category (put it in a drawer when you move to another apartment). Where do you put the plate? Probably in a drawer labeled "kitchen" or "utensils." That's it, you've already put the plate in that category, you only have one plate, you can't put one item in two different categories.
And now the tag (or label, they're synonyms). You can put the plate in any box you want, and put stickers on the box - plates, utensils, kitchen, fragile, do not drop, and so on. There are many tags, one category.
I already did, but here again: it means that the chooser of the tag was of the opinion that the tag was appropriate. Nothing more, nothing less.
So the tag by itself doesn't mean anything? Authors add tags to themselves not because tags have a definition, but because.... I don't know, the letters in the tag are pretty? 3D looks like a smiley face with glasses. Or because this "smiley face" is often used, so I'll add it for myself.
Is that the principle behind tags? Add a tag because you like it, not because it has a definition?
For 3d I expect the game having to do something with 3d.
You're an idiot. You've proven it again. Where in that tag does it say this game has to be for adults? It doesn't follow from the tag itself. The tag just means that the game is entirely based on rendered images. That's it. The game can be completely childish if the author wants it to be. The problem is that games with such graphics are usually made with adult or erotic content by people who can't draw. It's their choice to create graphics like that. But it doesn't mean that they are obliged to create adult games if they chose this type of graphics creation.
I argued early in this thread, that I believe the 3d tag to be superflous. ...If the main aspect of the game is, that it is a 3d game, third-person or first-person or fps or walking-simulator are better tags.
In some cases, it's important to know if the game is 2D or 3D. The fact that it is three-dimensional is its main feature. There are first-person, second-person and third-person games. But these tags are not suitable for all three-dimensional games. How can I explain this to you. Let's go back to adult games. There's a game called Koikatsu. You know it? In this game, the only guy is transferred to an all-girls school. It's a three-dimensional game. Is it first-person or third-person? Just to remind you, during the sex scenes, the camera is free to move as you please.
Let's take another game as an example. So-called sex simulators. There should obviously be different poses, different actions of the player and different responses to these actions. How to build such a game? You can make a completely two-dimensional game, like the old flash games. But that's boring. You can use "modern" Live2D animation. But in inexperienced hands it looks crooked. Or make a three-dimensional game. Of course for the player is likely to be better to play a three-dimensional game.
Next. Visual novels. They tend to be two-dimensional with flat pictures. But I've seen a few fully three-dimensional visual novels. Or, there are regular visual novels but with fully three-dimensional sex scenes where you can randomly rotate the camera. And this feature could be a major feature of the game.
There are cases where the presence or absence of three-dimensionality is a key feature of the game. Another example. A two-dimensional game was released, and then the developer made a new version of the game (the second part) and put the game fully on three-dimensional rails. This is the key feature of the new game compared to the last part.
Therefore, it is important to specify the three-dimensionality of the game is not appropriate other tag implies three-dimensionality
On the site tags first-person and third-person, not only three-dimensional games are marked.
This is for the popular game Cyberpunk. That is a 3d game. But no 3d tag.
There's another important tag in there. FPS. Shooter, first-person. Are there any 2D first-person shooters?
And you're also missing one very important detail. Cyberpunk is a huge, high-budget game that's been advertised on every radio. Only a man living in a cave would be ignorant of it. Everyone knows it's three-dimensional. Moreover, on the game's page there are videos where you can see that the game is three-dimensional.
The only thing the description does, it spells out what 3d stands for. Three dimensions.
Is there a manga on itch? 0_0
And I repeat my question, are you sure you understand the meaning of "three dimensions"? For manga, you should use the 3D style tag
If the tag description doesn't fit, then why won't they change it?
What would be a 3d comic for you?
This is a comic that is drawn (rendered) in 3D style.
In comics and videos 3D means only the way the graphics are created. It would be more preferable to use the 3DCG tag, but 3D is also suitable because there is no alternative. But in games there is a difference between 3D or 3DCG
From my experience, for this type of game, fps is the most common term, even if no shooting occurs. In recent years, walking-simulator seems to be the word for fps without shooting.
Don't bring the game's FPS into this. Like their walking simulator. What genre is that anyway? And if the game is third-person and there is no walking, but the game is three-dimensional? Can't you understand that? There's no tag that can perfectly replace the 3D tag.
Also, in my experience FPS games are not just first person shooters. They're dynamic, very fast first-person shooters. Shooters are demanding on the player's reaction time. FPS also means frames per second for a reason.
And that reason is, that the 3d tag is often useless, as you also have found out.
That's exactly why I created this thread! The 3d tag is useless! That's what I want to get through to the administration to fix it in future projects. And you're saying to me, "Get over it, you're not getting anywhere." That's fucking great.
But would most devs do that too? And would they do that retroactively?
In hindsight, they are unlikely to fix the tags. But new games might be tagged with the correct tag. And what the hell did you write below?
Просто посмотрите на разработчиков, использующих его, ни один из них не использовал его для игры для взрослых.
On the contrary. Only adult game developers use it. Because in adult game circles, these graphics are the most commonly used. Now pay attention to the question, which you will ignore as usual, find me some 3DCG games that are not adult games. Are there any on the site? There certainly could be, but I've never seen one. And if there are no such games, then developers of children's games have nothing to fear. Even if there are such games, I don't mind if a few 3DCG children's games are tagged 3D.
As was explained to you, that is not a thing the administration controls. Nor were you talking to administration here. This is community. That mod is not itch staff. He does forum moderation. And itch chose not to control it, it is their tagging system and they decided to give the power of tagging to the developers that publish the games. And the developers will see this, if they look for it on the faq:
Our song is good start over.
So the developers don't control the tags. Then, asshole, why the fuck isn't there a 3DCG tag on this page?
Why doesn't the 3DCG tag have a description?
Is it the game developers who didn't want to add the 3DCG tag to the list of all tags? Is it the game developers who didn't want to add a description to the 3DCG tag? Is it all game developers don't want to do? And the site administration has nothing to do with it?
Please do not try to explain English to me. You do not know English and your machine translation obviously does it wrong.
https://itch.io/games/tag-space
Space
The larger universe outside of Earth's atmosphere. Sometimes really, really far outside of it.
You try to cite the description on itch for the tag "3d", yet you failed to look at the description of the tag "space". Your screenshot put "space" as an explanation of "3d". That was wrong and very funny. Instead of laughing you try to insult me again. You have no manners.
If the blue written word would have been "spatial" it would have been ok. Spatial is to 3d what flat is to 2d. The other blue written words were not any better. It is was bad translation.
No one uses the word spatial in the context of number of dimensions.
Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension
Time is different from other spatial dimensions as time operates in all spatial dimensions. Time operates in the first, second and third as well as theoretical spatial dimensions such as a fourth spatial dimension
And even here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D...
"Пространственные измерения: классические физические теории описывают трёхмерные физические измерения."
"Spatial dimensions: Classical physical theories describe three-dimensional physical dimensions."
A platformer in which the environment and character are flat pictures (sprites), completely 2D. A game where the character or the background (or all together) is a three-dimensional model is a three-dimensional game.
I disagree. If you would sell me a "3d platformer game" and would sell me a game that exchanged the sprites for 3d models, I would demand my money back. Also, the 3d models are also flat to you, they are just rendered very often instead of being sprites. Speaking of sprites, the 2d sprites I know, that are animated, do not look flat. 3d in this case is about the rendering and the use of the 3d features of the engine. It is not about the game play.
Oh, and it even is a suggested tag (without description no less) https://itch.io/games/tag-3d-platformer
Probably in a drawer labeled "kitchen" or "utensils." That's it, you've already put the plate in that category, you only have one plate, you can't put one item in two different categories
But you have the choice. It fits several categories. And if you and your friend pack those boxes, you might put the plate in kitchen and your friend in utensils. No one is wrong. And for digital things you do can put them into both boxes at once.
You got the tags right. That is labels you put on boxes. You can also not attach labels to the box. And they can be put on the wrong box or you can have a fight with your friend what label to put on which box or what to write on the label or what crayon to use.
Then you argue kitchen is wrong, because the inside of the box is in fact not a kitchen, but utensils for the kitchen. And your friend insists, the labels have to say where the boxes go, you insist the content has to be labeld, and then you go argue about the meaning of kitchen, as it as some do eat in a kitchen and others only cook there, so why would need a plate in a kitchen, you need it the dining room.
Where in that tag does it say this game has to be for adults?
And this is, what you fail to understand. It is not about the actual word, it is about the expectancy people have, when reading the word. 3d is a historical term that was used when cpu/gpu manufacturer came up with it as a marketing word. "3d accelleration". They could have used any other word, even virutal reality. 3d is what stuck and it was used for a while. But as I have shown, it is not used anymore. Words change meaning. And what once was 3d is now split into third-person, first-person, walking-simulator and the old word 3d is more and more used by things that only feature stuff that is 3d. Maybe it was always used by such games, but since actual 3d games do not use this tag anymore, they became visible.
It's a three-dimensional game. Is it first-person or third-person?
This is the wrong question. You have to wonder, what the developer thinks people will use to find the game. What will the developer think is important to say about the game. Or what will the users think is important to say about the game. Or what will a site admin think is important to say about the game. It is not about any correct definition of the game. It is always opinion. But the difference is, where you release the game and who does the tagging.
So go to Steam and look up the tags. You will see the vote of the users, what are the most important tags for the game. If it is on Steam.
If the tag description doesn't fit, then why won't they change it?
Change it yourself. I am serious. Click the suggestion button and give a better description. And mind you, they are asking for descriptions. And not definitions. Itch is user driven. That includes you. Arguing about any meaning of 3d will not help. People, including me, have a different opinion than you.
There's no tag that can perfectly replace the 3D tag.
You got it! Not even 3d can replace 3d. The tag is outdated and should not be used. It is not important information. Not since every smartphone can compute 3d.
find me some 3DCG games that are not adult games
Look at the visual novel plus 3d combination on Steam. Most of those games are non adult and 2d with 3d renders. If you cannot find those, you did not look.
Or just look here, you lazy person. You have to deselect the adult content in your settings!!! You can also try some rpg combination. But "3dcg" games that are not adult will tag their story and not that they have pictures.
https://itch.io/games/genre-visual-novel/tag-3d
Why doesn't the 3DCG tag have a description?
Why is there no description for the 3d platformer tag?
Did you submit a suggestion for the description for either of them? No? There is your answer. No one cares!
