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Uncovering Major Plot Secrets on Turn 27: Vague Hints, Firm Tips, and a Spoiler-Filled Guide!

A topic by raspberryroses created 67 days ago Views: 856 Replies: 41
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A few notes before we begin:

- These are accurate as of 0.7.6, as far as I'm aware. It's very likely that this will become outdated sooner or later.  As of 0.7.13.1, my guide is now outdated. It should still work if you are playing on an older version of the game. Also - following it will still lead you to some pretty juicy plot points and new info! It just won't get you over the finish line any more. User MightBeMagic has created a guide which is accurate as of 0.7.21, which I have also included.

- Everybody has their own threshold for what counts as a spoiler. My intention is for the hints to be relatively vague, the tips to provide you with firm objectives but not tell you how to reach them, and for the guide to be a choice-by-choice walkthrough. YMMV, as with all spoiler stuff.  For extra-safety, I've even put the hints and tips into ROT13. (Not the guide - I've stored that in a google doc because of how long it is. If you're clicking on that, then I figure you want to be fully spoiled.)

HINTS:

Shyyl haqrefgnaqvat Mbenan'f Abina urevgntr vf xrl gb fhpprff. Sbphf ba gung svefg - vairfgvtngr bgure guvatf yngre.

Trggvat ratntrq rneyl vf urycshy.

Lbh'yy xabj lbh'er ba gur evtug genpx sbe n fcrpvny fprar ba ghea 27 vs, va n fprar gung hfhnyyl unf 3 pubvprf, lbh svaq 4 bs gurz. 

TIPS:

Gurer ner sbhe bcgvbany fprarf lbh arrq gb frr va beqre gb fhpprrq ba Ghea 27. Gurl ner:

- Trargvp grfgvat (gur bayl jnl V xabj vf ivn na ratntrzrag, ohg gurer pbhyq or bgure ebhgrf).

- Frperg eraqrmibhf jvgu Ibfuxbg.

- Mbenan nggrzcgf gb hfr Yhzra cbjref.

- Sbyybjvat gur fpvrapr ba lbhe snguref qvfnccrnenapr, ohg bayl NSGRE lbh unir hapbirerq fbzr cybg guernq juvpu vaqvpngrf gung ur unq xabja zber gura ur jnf yrggvat ba.

GUIDE:


0.7.21 guide by MightBeMagic: https://docs.google.com/document/d/128dKyQVQDC8EGERarhE-SBLusQG2QyoDP8UVdGrpf-E/...

0.7.13.1 guide by me: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nsHutobS-WFP-p-Svnwc7H2eQ2-IhUJY0R8ZJTtiYgU/...

This guide is far from 'optimized' - there's plenty of plot threads left hanging via this routing and plenty of skill checks that probably could have been passed if I planned better. But it gets you the election and plenty of juicy secrets. 

I hope these help somebody out there! :D

The pastebin link seems to of been taken down, do you still have the guide saved and a way to share it?

I've changed the upload to a google doc! Hopefully that should be more stable. 

Thank you very much for the hints, they're very helpful! I'm also having an issue with the guide link too.

I'm really glad I was able to help! :D

I've uploaded the guide to google docs, so that should be more stable. 

Developer

From a dev perspective, the 'intended' method of approaching this - though obviously it's fine to go about it in many ways that's what the open-world game is for! - is to, after having once won the Election and then received the big reveal, to return to the beginning and hunt for evidence to prove that fbzrbar vf ylvat nobhg jung unccrarq gb lbhe sngure . Because normally if you try to investigate that, all three of your options of what to say about it are clearly wrong, which you the player know because you've seen the main ending. 

There are MANY pieces of evidence scattered around the game that you can use to give you an idea that something funky is going on and thus unlock the extra dialog option which sets you on a new plot direction, as long as you uncover at least one of those clues before you do the investigation. If you follow only that thread, you will arrive at an exciting event with a whole bunch of Bad Ends in front of you, which will then provide clues about what other information you need in order to get past it. (And once achievements and ending-graphic-collection are working, you'll have to do that at some point in order to see some of the variants.)

Yeah, I was hunting for Orpbzvat n Yhzra after a few playthroughs, just didn't know how to achieve it, so that matches with the 'intended' way you describe.

Actually I thought the "vg jnf fhvpvqr!" option would lead into a "znlor ur snxrq uvf bja qrngu!" conclusion ^^'

Hello ! I'm sorry to ask but how can I see the spoilers parts of your comments ? (such as "Shyyl haqrefgnaqvat Mbenan'f Abina urevgntr vf xrl gb fhpprff. Sbphf ba gung svefg")

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No need to apologize! :)

It's ciphered using ROT13. You can use this website to decode the message: https://rot13.com/ . 

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Oh nice, thanks !

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V'ir fhpprqrq gb orpbzr n Yhzra naq xvyy Qentbpra, lrnnnnu :Q

Unf nalbar sbhaq na raqvat jurer lbh qrsrpg gb Yhzraf be vs gurer'f fbzr raqvat jvgu Ibfuxbg/lbhe zbgure gung vfa'g "genvgbe Mbenan" / lbhe zbgure qvrq naq lbhe oebgure phg pbagnpg? V'ir orra grfgvat fbzr guvatf bhg ohg unira'g ernyyl znqr nal cebterff.

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I'm fairly sure thats part of the kickstarter stretch goal and isnt in the game yet 

Developer

There are epilogues with Voshkot that are slightly more positive but to even have a chance at getting them you'll have to fraq gur pelfgny onpx.

I got to the mysterious turn 27 situation for the first time, noting how I think I reached that here.

as far as I can tell, I got it by keeping ybj Fpvrapr sbe n juvyr (vqx jul; V tbg Fpvrapr 60 nsgre erprvivat gur eraqrm-ibhf gb trg gb Arhgeny Fcnpr ba ghea 22 sebz gur Abinaf, jvgu Tnynpgvp Eryngvbaf 40 fvapr ghea 4 be fb) + n ivfvg gb gur Nyy-Frrvat Rlr ba Znh (Mbenan jnf ratntrq ng gur gvzr, juvpu vf pyrneyl abg arprffnel gb gur ivfvg, ohg jnfa'g n qrgevzrag rvgure) gb haybpx gur snzbhf Sbhegu Bcgvba jura lbh trg lbhe fpvrapr uvtu rabhtu.

Juvpu va ghea vf rabhtu sbe ghea 27 gb or Vagrerfgvat. V unq Qrprcgvba 75, juvpu sryg fhssvpvrag, ohg orpnhfr V pbhyqa'g trg gb gur Abina eraqrm-ibhf va gvzr gung jnf gung. Jung n jbaqreshy neenl bs greevoyr Onq Raqf jr tbg gurer!

Lrf lbh arrq gb xrrc fpvrapr ybj sbe n juvyr fb lbh qba'g vzzrqvngryl pbapyhqr lbhe sngure pbzzvggrq fhvpvqr fvapr lbh xabj ubj qnatrebhf gung rkcrevzrag jnf irel dhvpxyl jvgu uvtu fpvrapr. 


Ba cerivbhf cngpurf V jbhyq zbna nobhg jnagvat n orggre jnl gb ernpu arhgeny fcnpr va gvzr ohg abj gung zl znva fpvrapr thl vf orvat n ohggurnq naq ershfvat gb wbva zl pbhapvy hayrff V tb gurer irel rneyl zl cyna vf gb rssrpgviryl vtaber Qehnt naq Ureh VV juvpu xrrcf zr pybfre gb arhgeny fcnpr naq V whfg jnfgr gheaf yrneavat fpvrapr vafgrnq. 


V frevbhfyl unira'g sbhaq nalbar gb gnxr Xerkavn'f cynpr lrg- Ybir ure ohg V'z srryvat tehzcl orpnhfr V xrrc sbetrggvat ure Tnyngvp Eryngvbaf vf cvgvshy hagvy V ernyvfr yvxr 5 gheaf gbb yngr gung V'z zvffvat n pehpvny fprar.

v'z abg fher jung v qvq jebat :b? v sbyybjrq gur thvqr rkprcg sbe znlor gur svefg ghea be gjb gb hc fbzr bgure fgng, fher! ohg v tbg nyy gur fprarf - sebz gur trargvpf fprar, gur qernz, gur eraqribhf, naq svaqvat gur pelfgny va gur gernfhel. v nyfb cnffrq gur qrprcgvba purpxf, ohg v fgvyy tbg gur fnq mbenan zneelvat ure qnq fprar :(

still really great for seeing stuff i havent before! i'm just unsure what i did wrong? 

Qrcraqvat ba lbhe qvnybthr pubvprf naq Qrprcgvba erfhygf, lbh znl nyfb unir gb znxr na Nyyher+Zranpr purpx bs 80 be 100.

Developer

Because as warned this guide is outdated and cannot be used anymore. This runthrough only worked due to a bug which has been fixed.

I've updated the post to indicate that the guide is now outdated.


Can I ask - was the bug in regards to  gevttrevat gur fprar ba yhzra uvfgbel? V jnf arire dhvgr fher jung V unq qbar gb trg gung npgvingrq va guvf thvqr. 

Developer

major specific mechanic spoilers

Gur fprar nobhg Cevaprff Zrybql vf n cher Tnynpgvp Eryngvbaf gevttre. Gur fprar nsgre gung, jurer lbh yrnea nobhg gur pelfgnyf va Pelfgny Abin, jnf zrnag gb or n uvtu TnyEry+Fcvevghnyvgl purpx naq vg jnf nppvqragnyyl hfvat Rgurknr'f Fcvevghnyvgl fpber gb qb gur pbzcnevfba rira vs fur jnf abg yblny gb lbh. Vg'f jul lbh jrer onfvpnyyl trggvat gubfr fprarf bar nsgre gur bgure, rira gubhtu gur fprar vgfrys fnlf lbh unq gb ybbx vagb "eryvtvba naq zlgubybtl".

Guvf vf bayl bar ebhgr gb svaqvat bhg nobhg Yhzraf gubhtu.

Oh, that is SUPER interesting! And that totally makes sense. I'll keep that in mind for whenever I'm planning future routes...!

I do plan to try and make another guide for the Turn 27 stuff, much later down the road when things are looking more settled. I made this one knowing full well it'd become out of date quickly, but I still wanted to get it out there to help anybody who was stuck and eager to try and advance the story. 

(I say all of that, but there is a part of me which wants to try and optimize another route immediately, so I can include my favorite marriage candidates in the guide this time and subtly spread my propaganda... I feel like I could get Carjer or Phaere incorporated into my routing pretty easily...)

Nccneragyl lbh pna qb vg jvgu Tnynpgvp eryngvbaf bs 30 ohg V'ir sbhaq V'ir unq gb trg zl Tnynpgvp eryngvbaf uvture gb gevttre gur fprar jurer lbh gel naq vairfgvtngr Yhzra pelfgnyf naq svther bhg gur Enqvnapr vf n jrncba. 

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thanks all for the responses!! this actually makes me excited to try blazing a trail towards the secrets using my own methods now that theres no clear guideline!

Developer

A few helpful (or not) tidbits for people trying to design new routes:

It is possible to get through Turn 27 jvgu bayl 30 Tnynpgvp Eryngvbaf. 

It is possible to get through Turn 27 having taken a high-Science minister as soon as possible naq gb haybpx gur sbhegu pubvpr va sbyybjvat gur fpvrapr nf snfg nf Ghea 11. Guvf erdhverf fbzr frevbhf cynaavat, gubhtu. Va nal pnfr lbh qrsvavgryl qba'g unir gb jnvg hagvy gur ynfg zvahgr gb trg lbhe fpvrapr, lbh whfg arrq gb svaq n pyhr svefg.

Vf gurer na nygreangvir fgng arrqrq gb trg gur fprar jurer lbh svther bhg gung gur Enqvnapr vf n jrncba vs lbhe Tnynpgvp eryngvbaf vf 30? 


Orpnhfr ba zl nggrzcgf jvgu gur arj cngpu V cnffrq gur Qrprcgvba purpx ohg jnfa'g noyr gb yher gurz gb gur pelfgny hagvy V jrag onpx naq erpbasvtherq n srj gheaf gb fghqlvat Tnynpgvp eryngvbaf fb V pbhyq trg gur fprar 

Developer

Abg gb gung *fnzr* fprar. Gurer'f na ragveryl qvssrerag nirahr bs vairfgvtngvba gung jvyy tvir lbh gur fnzr vasbezngvba va n qvssrerag fprar.

Oh ok. 

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if you're interested in updating this guide, I've found a path to getting there on the latest update (0.7.21)! Your guide & the dev hints was super helpful getting this ending lol; I had gotten to turn 27 on accident before and was very determined to figure out ubj gb orpbzr n yhzra. (gur phgfprar sbe vg jnf fb cerggl bu zl tbfu! jbegu gur rssbeg!) turns out I was pretty close already;  V jnf wfhg zvffvat gur fcvevghnyvgl

It definitely could use some work to be better; the final vote is exactly 17 by I'm pretty sure sheer luck (I was so focused on turn 27 that I forgot to think about everything after it whoops)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/128dKyQVQDC8EGERarhE-SBLusQG2QyoDP8UVdGrpf-E/... 

Developer

Ironically you didn't need to raise your Fcvevghnyvgl at all! If you try running through this walkthrough and boost something else instead in those spaces, you'll still get through just fine... You already had all the plot points you needed.

oh interesting; Jnf vf trggvat gur fprar jvgu Xebibf'f dhrfg gura? V guvax gung'f gur bayl guvat guvf thvqr bevtvanyyl qvqa'g unir - ol gur gvzr lbh ernpu xebibf va vg, ur nyernql yvxrf lbh rabhtu gb whfg cyrqtr uvf ibgr. since in previous runs I wasn't getting the triggers I thought I needed it (though to be fair I was taking some very different paths each time. those darned assassins!) There's definitely other places skills can be rearranged and I never made it to Mau either

Developer

Yes - a specific thing that happens va Xebibf'f dhrfg (be n srj bgure cynprf ohg gung'f gur rnfvrfg bar) will provide Zorana with enough of a nudge to do a little research (combined with univat ng yrnfg n yvggyr Tnynpgvp Eryngvbaf be Xkravn va lbhe Pnovarg). And that can give her the big realisation later.

Which doesn't mean pursuing that other info is bad, it's just not strictly required.

Sorry to butt in but I thought this was kind of fun- "N srj bgure cynprf" - V whfg svavfurq n eha va juvpu V znantrq gb frr zhygvcyr yhzra ubbxf /nsgre/ ghea 27 (V fcrpvsvpnyyl erzrzore va Enqbzvy'f dhrfg naq Lnxnh'f dhrfg, gubhtu V znl unir rira ohzcrq hc ntnvafg n guveq bar-)

I'm so glad it helped! I needed a TON of guides when I played LLTQ, so it was really cool to help return the favor for this game. And it's awesome that you've made a more updated guide! :D I put a link to in the main post.

Really funny to me that both versions of the guide ended up including an engagement to Jedakka. I feel like she's the marriage option who would care the least about Zorana having to deal with all of this intrigue and drama! Just imagining a scene where Zorana is telling her about all the stuff that went down on Turn 27, and Jedakka is like ummmm okayyy (ignores her and watches Space TikTok).

haha yeah; i mainly stuck to your guide, and was just trying to figure out how to get that missing piece. per previous replies, I was throwing spaghetti at it til it Worked (though i had my suspicions on what was needed. I noticed many of the electors accepted Zorana really quickly in your guide and I had gotten interesting tidbits when I had to do quests for those same electors)

I normally pick up Lorkas for media skill otherwise -v-

I managed to take down my father but lose the election or come to a draw. I just want to put this out there - can we possibly have an ending where we can actually choose to turn things around by force with the help of the Eternal Radiance? This option has been alluded to in both of these conclusions and I’d love to see it actually happen. It makes no sense to still fail the game knowing I have this power at my fingers, and would make a great evil ending. Also - would love to see a way I can arrest my brother and still get info from him about the Eternal Radiance. I kind of wondered where his loyalties lied considering in other endings, he immediately cut me off after receiving/not receiving the crystal.

Developer (1 edit)

Unless you moved the Jubilee to be on Turn 28 (which takes precedence) there's a scene there where Zorana points out that she's very limited in what she can do without culfvpny pbagnpg jvgu gur pelfgny. If she loses the Election, that becomes difficult to pull off orpnhfr vg'f fgvyy ybpxrq va gur Gernfhel. Not impossible, but she doesn't actually have it "at her fingertips" - it's not just something she can do in the heat of the moment to change the Election results.

(That doesn't mean "no, never" - as always, I think about things and either add them or don't. This is just about why it's not an existing scene option.)

Damn - I’d love to see her later force her way into the treasury and lord her power. If only she can indeed find a way to make it mobile.

Hmm, okay. I am struggling with this a bit. 

In a previous playthrough, I had managed to get the scene where you can hfr fpvrapr xabjyrqtr gb vairfgvtngr Qentbpra'f qvfnccrnenapr, but since I didn't have the necessary hints, all of the possible responses were wrong (as outlined above). I had also managed to eraqrmibhf jvgu Infuxbg, but I'm not sure how to orpbzr n Yhzra orsber gur rcvybthr. 

In my current playthrough, I did qvfpbirevat gung Mbenan vf n Abina pybar, but because I didn't get the chance to vairfgvtngr uvf qrngu, I got no closer to activating whatever's supposed to happen on turn 27. I got the opera, as usual. 

What turn does the missing event happen in? What are the prerequisites? Is it affected by Mazarin or Esmarai? I'm not sure why that option didn't even come up. 

Developer

There isn't a specific missing event on a specific turn, that's not how this works. 

You just need to find some evidence, somehow, before you do the high-Science investigation. That investigation will only happen when you have enough Science so you can choose to delay it until you think you've found a clue.

I eventually figured out why I didn't get the option to investigate. Funnily enough, I think it was because I passed a certain skill check, which led me to miss out on some vital intelligence.