Post by Maxime Martyr in Harem Collector comments

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Okay, I gave a try to this game and I got disgusted at the very first sex scene with Alina.

It made me as a first impression of this game as a game which wants to make me be a jerk who treats girls as objects to own and use as he pleases and doesn't actually care about them as people.

Now I understand why the game asked me if I was bad enough to collect a harem, when it first asked me this question, I didn't understand why it was assuming that I had to be bad to want to gather a harem, now I understand, it is not about collecting a harem, it is about the way it is dealt with, without any care for the girls, treating them as mere toys as if they had no feelings and no will of their own.

I just started the game and I quitted right at the very first sex scene because it disgusted me even though I am a pervert who enjoys fantasizing about harems.

The idea of harems pleases me not because I fantasize on owning women, no, what makes me fantasize is to be the center of interest of many women, that they all want me, that is why I like harems.

This is why I dislike this game. Because it is about a man who wants all women but doesn't actually care about them, what they think, what they want, how they feel and what they need, because he doesn't think of them as actual people, he thinks about them as toys, objects to own and play with and nothing more.

I just dislike how this asshole treats girls, I can't get into a character and enjoy being him if I dislike him.

Now if you are interested in a hentai RPG about a man who meets maaaaaaaany women, has sex with them and gathers an amazing harem all around a rich open world but actually cares about every single one of them, what they think, what they want, how they feel and what they need, treats them as actual people, not objects, takes good care of them and treats them really well then try this one and experience how a worthy man treats women: https://ryensaotome.itch.io/renryuu

NuhaadhHasna6 years ago(+1)

yo dude , you haven't even seen a descent part of the story line , don't jump into wrong conclusions , anyone who fucks more than one girl is a jerk , Besides don't insult the creators work comparing other's works , the hero in the game being selfish chaotic neutral jerk is what makes this game even cooler and eventually the girls fall for him . Don't take this the wrong way , just play it for a while atleast , until you get what the game story line is about .

Maxime Martyr6 years ago (7 edits) (-1)

I disagree because a jerk is someone who doesn't respect people and one can have sex with many people and respect every each of them, I shared this other hentai RPG as an example of this.

Ah so this is why we disagree, you say that you think that being selfish is cool, I couldn't disagree more with this statement, I can't stand selfishness and I can't enjoy being a selfish character, I just am too kind-hearted for that.

I don't believe in the concept of evil, I don't believe that people do bad things because they are "evil", I rather think that people do bad things because they are selfish, because they don't care about what their actions cause to other people, so I consider selfishness as the real evil, meaning that, being selfish, I don't see this character as neutral, I see him as evil, because he cares only about his own desires no matter is those cause harm as he doesn't care about the will of other people.

If the girls eventually fall for him, this is only because the girls don't actually have a personality, feelings and mind of their own, they are the developers' puppets and the developers decided to make them fall for an asshole, that is.

Pay attention to how the character takes Alina's virginity. First, he doesn't even earn this privilege, he doesn't make her want to offer herself to him, he just put a magical slaver collar on her in order to deny her her free will, which I really disliked a lot, I was looking forward to make her fall for me and earn her affection, by being worthy of her, how could I feel satisfaction in not earning what I get, have it without having to do anything to deserve it? This doesn't feel rewarding and so it doesn't feel satisfying. Then when he fucks her, even though she states that this is her fist time, she doesn't even bleed, how could I take this game and its developers seriously if they are careless to the point to not even think about the basic knowledge that a woman bleeds at her first time? Also, the developer wrote that when he penetrates her without first notice, she is wet. Then again, how am I supposed to believe that she is wet for him, meaning that she wants him, considering that he enslaved her, deprived her of her free will, meaning of her status as a person, turning her into a mere item which belongs to him, that he has not a speck of respect for her, I am supposed to believe that she desires him? No way. Also, the developer wrote that she reached orgasm. I remind that he didn't even get her into the mood with foreplay, he thrusted into her all of a sudden without any preparation, considering that this is her first experience and so that he just ripped her hymen, moreover without any delicacy, the only feeling that she could feel is pain, not pleasure, not like this, once again, she reached orgasm only because the writer decided she would but I can't believe it, I just can't take this story and its writer seriously, this game feels as the fantasy and delusion of a jerk to me, which I don't share nor like. Then since he was not done being a jerk yet, since denying a girl her status as a person, treating her as an item and roughly taking her virginity without any care for her will nor her feelings was not enough to satisfy his twisted fantasies, he also used her panties as a mere rag to wipe his cum off his dick, to demonstrate even more that he doesn't give a damn shit to her feelings, using even her clothes as he pleases, like he does her body. It is at this instant that I exited this game and uninstalled it from my PC, it was too much, I couldn't bear being him any more instant, he is more of an enemy to me than someone that I would like to be, I definitely don't want to be like him, he doesn't inspire me any sympathy, I don't want to help him succeed, I want to see him being turned away by every girl in the world because I think that he is not worthy, how am I supposed to enjoy being a character that I have such a negative opinion of?

I don't want to try and discover any more of this game since it turned me away from it right from the beginning. I just don't like the character so I don't want to be him and so I don't want to live his story, that's all.

TwistedMadman6 years ago

Just want to point out a few things, first the main character of Harem Collector can be an ass at times but so can Ryen from Renryuu Ascension. I'll admit the main character of Harem Collector isn't exactly the nicest in his treatment of Alina at first but they do develop a bond later on, as he does with all the girls. However too say that he's a rapist and Ryen isn't is a false statement as Ryen straight up rapes Kurohime, Irinlia, Moriko, and Lace while forcing himself on Millaine and the dark sorceress without it being fully stated as rape (There may be more non optional ones) along with tons of girls you can optionally send to the dungeons to be rape dolls (Aleah is one but she's too sweet to let that happen to her). Both main characters have their bad sides and their good sides but to straight up claim one is all bad while the other gets away with his bad isn't exactly fair. Second, Alina not bleeding during her first time is entirely possible as not all women do bleed their first time, this is just a common misconception. As for the being wet without foreplay, entirely possible as well, women's bodies are more complex than common belief has stated for many years. Wiping up the mess with her clothing is a jerk move but it's common in these kinds of games. Now I'm not trying to fight, I just wanted to point out that it isn't entirely fair to judge this game by one scene as much as you may have disliked it and clear up some misconceptions you were using. Both Harem Collector and Renryuu Ascension have main characters who are capable of being kind or evil people depending on how you play or view them, and I personally enjoy both games and try to play through as the nice guy since I find it to be more enjoyable.

Maxime Martyr6 years ago (1 edit) (-1)

The player can indeed make Ryen rape Kurohime, Moriko, Irlina and Lace if they want but that is if they want, they don't have to, they have a choice, as opposite to how they take Alina's virginity, they don't have a choice, this is the major difference and this is why I don't want to continue even if you tell me that it becomes better after, I don't want to continue after such a disturbing start.

Moreover, about Irlina and Lace, I suggested to Renryuu Ascension's developer to add a choice between pursuing Ryen's own vengeance against Irlina while ignoring Tsubaki or taking care of Tsubaki and hand over Irlina to the guards in the Redwood mansion to let them deal with her, I also suggested to add a "good path" for Lace like there is one for Kurohime as there is currently not a good path for Lace, the only choice currently is to rape her or let her rot in the dungeon, so I suggested to add the possibility for Ryen to be kind to her and release her and they liked both of my suggestions, they added them in their list of improvements to make to the game. They also told me that many players other than me also expressed that they want to be able to be kind to them as well.

Moreover, about Millaine, we also have a choice. either break her box open in order to take a look at its content and betray her trust or be worthy of her trust, not open her box, which makes her trust us for one more errand, go to retrieve her order in the shop and bring it to her, but while in the shop, the clerk mentions the content of the package and Ryen admits it to Millaine and then Millaine offers herself to him if he promises to not talk about it, so it is actually her who offers herself to him, he didn't ask for anything, he merely accepts her offer.

And about Zady, he tested her love potion on her in order to check its effects as she is not trustworthy, he indeed enjoyed her arousal but we later learn that the effect of love potion is actually to make someone become honest with their true desires, it doesn't create fake desire, we learn this when Zady tests a new love potion on Elly and Grey later.

I didn't rape Aleah, I welcomed her into my castle as a maid where I and the other maids take good care of her and she is happier than she has never been before. This makes me feel satisfied, it is nothing like how we treat Alina when we meet her.

You are right, everyone has good and bad sides, Ryen is no exception, but the character in Harem Collector, from the moment I started the game to the moment he enslaved Alina, took her virginity, her special unique first time, without any delicacy and pushed the disrespect even further when he carelessly used her panties to wipe his cum off his dick after he spurted on her, I didn't get a single chance to see anything good in him, from the very beginning, everything he thought, said, did, was bad to me. I mean, from the very beginning, he thought and tried to get his childhood friend drunk so he could take advantage of her, this guy is rotten from his hair to his toes.

Indeed, it is possible to open a woman's hymen without ripping it and making her bleed if we are careful. However he definitely wasn't careful as he fucked her without any delicacy nor care about her so taking into consideration how he did it, there is no way that he didn't hurt her.

And indeed, women can be wet without any foreplay...if they are horny, full of desire, which is obviously not the case here, you will never make me believe that Alina was full of desire for the stranger that she just barely met and who enslaved her at their first encounter.

Also, I played many hentai games and this is the first where the character uses a girl's panties like a rag so I don't believe that this is a common practice so either you are used to play games where you are an asshole and you came to think this is normal behavior either you are the one being unfair trying to defend this game with wrong arguments.

And while it is true that I mentionned only one scene in my previous comments, I didn't exactly make my opinion of this game on one scene only, I didn't like anything about the character that I am supposed to be from the beginning as he has shown me only selfishness from the beginning, making me not wanting to be him.

My honest opinion about your last statement is that you are being hypocryte because you stated that you enjoy being a nice guy but you continued to play this game even though the guy that you are supposed to be is introduced as a jerk. I never had to be a jerk as Ryen, I have had a choice to be or not to be every time that I could be and I have always chosen to not be as I want to be worthy of every woman's affection, I want to deserve it, to earn it in a fair way, not taking what I don't deserve, this doesn't feel satisfying.

TwistedMadman6 years ago (1 edit)

I'm pretty sure you are forced to rape/torment Kurohime to recruit her to your cause for events later in the game, the others may be optional but if they end up in Ryen's rape dungeon it's likely part of the story that he forces himself on them. I'd rather that not be the case as the idea of a path where you don't rape them but find another solution to punish their misdeeds or convince them to side with you sounds right up my alley. Millaine does offer herself but it always felt more like she was picking the lesser of two evils as if her secret got out in the holy country then she would be ruined so she has sex with Ryen even though it seems like she doesn't want it, maybe I picked up the wrong signals but that's just what it felt like to me. I'm assuming Zady is the dark sorceress, if so she states that she doesn't want to have sex with Ryen or drink the potion but he forces her to drink it and waits until it drives her mad and consents which sounds a lot like drugging a woman. You say later there's a new love potion that reveals people's true feelings but that sounds like a fix to a questionable scene that uses a different potion entirely (I hope it's actually not the case as I do like the idea of seeing the sorceress again under more obvious consenting conditions). I also welcomed Aleah to my castle as she is such a gentle sweetheart that I couldn't imagine anyone locking her in a dungeon. As for calling me a hypocrite, I feel that is undeserved as I don't play games to be a jerk and seeing characters wiping up the mess afterwards was often from a vile npc raping a character that I wasn't allowed to stop until after the act, which usually resulted in me killing them even if there was an option to spare them (why would I spare a raping monster?) and choosing to follow a path of kinder choices and bonding with the girls in a similar way as I do when playing Renryuu Ascension. It feels like you are making similar arguments to what I am and then claiming I'm a jerk, as Ryen engages in plenty of similar acts as the character of this game just not as quickly and the main character of this game does earn their affection even if at first he enslaves some of them at first (sometimes to save them from some darker fate). I'm not saying you should feel bad for enjoying Renryuu Ascension as it is an incredible game, I'm just trying to point out it is just as full of dark acts just brought in a little later. I enjoy both games and if I feel like playing this game is fine, it's a game that gives you a choice in being a jerk or just coming off as a bit of a jerk while having a heart of gold. I also hope that both games see more obvious good paths as I have straight up quit many games after getting an hour in and finding nothing but rape and despair. And if you don't feel like giving this game another shot then that is entirely your choice as well, play what you want and have fun with it as all should be free to do! Within reason of course.

Maxime Martyr6 years ago (1 edit) (-1)

I never tormented Kurohime, it is quite the opposite, according to her, I made her feel better than she ever did. Let me tell you how I chose to deal with her. Kurohime attempted to assassinate me, then my headmaid captured her and I held her in my dungeon. Then it is up to you to choose how you want to deal with her. You can indeed rape her if you want. But you can also, and this is what I did, focus on foreplay only at first to get her aroused in the mood for more then only then have sex with her, and here again, you can choose how to do it, rough or sweet, of course I chose sweet. Ryen announces her from the beginning how he intends to deal with her: make her feel so good that she will get addicted to his cock and can no more live without it in order to ensure her loyalty. And this is what I did, I treated her so kindly and I cared so much about her that she eventually fell for me and chose on her own to serve me. I never forced her to anything, I have always paid good attention to her needs and mood. I ended her training only when her joy was at max.

No, you never have to rape anyone to advance in the story, Irlina and Lace indeed end in your dungeon, which is not necessarily a "rape dungeon" if you don't want to use it this way by the way, but you can just ignore them as once they end in your dungeon, they have no more part in the story, raping them only unlocks CG, that's all. But you have a point, I don't like to keep them in a cell, so I suggested to the developer to give the choice to the player to take Irlina into their dungeon or to hand over her to the guards in the Redwood mansion to let them deal with her and a good path for Lace and they liked my suggestion so they added these changes in their to do list. ;-)

If Ryen betrays Millaine's trust and looks at her box content, then it indeed feels like Millaine doesn't have a choice. But if Ryen chooses to be worthy of her trust and doesn't look into her box, then she tasks him with another errand for her and while the result is the same, this time it doesn't feel like she doesn't have a choice since this time, she trusts Ryen, , it rather feels like she wants it. I remind you that her secret is that she is fond of sex and also the fact that since she lives in a religious country, it has been a long time since she got the chance to have fun with a man. So she is more than happy that Ryen came to her fort and gives her what she misses.

I told you that Ryen wanted to test Zady's love potion on herself since she uses to play tricks, he doesn't trust her so he wants to check its effects before giving it to someone. Of course, he is more than happy to experience that her love potion is the real deal. Also, she doesn't exactly consent, she actually pushes Ryen on the bed and rides him to his pleased astonishment. And what really matters to me is the after effect, how Zady feels after this experience, and she doesn't mind it so I don't see anything wrong here. I mean, if Zady herself has no problem with it, then why should I have one?

No, what I said is that she later tests a new recipe for the love potion on Elly and Grey then after all 3 of them ran all the way to the castle and into Ryen's room in order to fuck him, she reveals that the true effect of a love potion is to make people be honest with their true desires and this is why they all felt a sudden urge to fuck Ryen. Meaning that a love potion doesn't create desire out of nowhere. It merely forces the desire to go all out but the desire was already there from the beginning.

Don't worry, I made sure to send the old woman who locked Aleah in her basement to jail where she can reflect on her deeds.

I understand your feelings because to me, rape is THE unforgivable deed so me too I wouldn't exactly be willing to spare a rapist even if he begs for mercy and I usually have mercy, not for rapists.

Excuse-me but I have spent hundreds of hours being Ryen, exploring every place, interacting with every inhabitant of this world, discovering every each thing that this world had to offer, and I never ever had experiment anything as disgusting as what I experimented with Alina in Harem Collector. For starters, as Ryen, I didn't enslave anybody, I even forbid slavery in Central, when I discovered the thiefs guild with their slavers, I wanted to destroy it, and when I discovered Dorgania, I was mortified to witness slaves misery everywhere and I still hope that I will eventually be able to convince the king Lancafew to abolish slavery since he likes me so much that he is willing to give me favors. When I questioned him about slavery, he told that it is a necessary evil. Meaning that he doesn't exactly likes it since he considers it as evil. He allows it only because he thinks it is necessary, his country needs it. So if I can give him an alternative, he might be willing to put an end to this evil. Anyway, my point is that, as Ryen, I never enslaved anybody. The very first girl who joined my harem in Harem Collector, I was forced to enslave her... She didn't join me on her free will, so I don't feel her like a reward, that doesn't feel satisfying to have her. I didn't give her a choice, I took her away from her family without any care about what she wanted as if she was an item, not a person. I really disliked it when he put a slave collar on her. Really. A lot. In second, sex scenes in Renryuu really get me in the mood. I can't take sex seriously in Harem Collector. I don't believe that a girl is wet for the jerk that she just met and who enslaved her, that she feels anything else than pain when this jerk thrusts into her virgin pussy without any delicacy, certainly tearing her hymen apart, but without making her bleed, and disgust when a jerk that she didn't choose steal her unique first time, her first experience having a man inside her, her precious virginity. This sex scene just feels not credible to me, it just feels as the fantasy of a man who wants to dominate women and wants that women enjoy his domination, fantasy that I don't share, so this game is made to fulfill a fantasy which is not mine so it is not for me, this is how it makes me feel. And to finish, as Ryen, I never felt such disdain for women as I felt when I casually used Alina's panties as if it was a rag to wipe my cum of my dick, disdain feeling which made me want to quit the game and uninstall it from my PC right away.

Wow, you are willing to play for one hour to games which offer you nothing but rape and dispair! Now I understand why you were willing to continue playing this game after how it forced you to treat Alina. If a game makes me experiment something that I dislike from the start, I certainly am not willing to experiment any more of it. You know the saying: the first impression is the decisive one. ;-3

TwistedMadman6 years ago(+2)

It's clear that you aren't truly here to be reasonable, as you seem to take jabs at everyone at every chance you can get then claim they are at fault when they jab back. As for the games, Renryuu does offer choices in many areas but you keep denying that many of the acts started out as/still are terrible while tearing this game apart from less than 10 minutes of gameplay. If this game isn't for you just leave, as you haven't succeeded in changing anyone's minds on this game and may have caused harm for Renryuu Ascension's reputation for fans of this game. Some people find Alina's enjoyment unbelievable and/or reprehensible, some people find imprisoning Kurohime and molesting or raping her to loving you unbelievable and/or reprehensible. I won't be responding past this as it's likely you are only interested in insulting this game and it's fans while advertising a game that is full of just as dark moments optional and not.

Maxime Martyr6 years ago(-1)

I'm sorry that you take my feedbacks as insults.

I came to the same conclusion as you, I better just leave it at that.

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TylerJ16 years ago(+1)

"I didn't rape Aleah, I welcomed her into my castle as a maid where I and the other maids take good care of her and she is happier than she has never been before. This makes me feel satisfied, it is nothing like how we treat Alina when we meet her."

even the "good" options still show a great deal of immorality and possessiveness. your argument is that its ok to gather girls and keep them as house pets just not slaves. Would renryuu have done the same thing if she where ugly. if you put yourself in aleahs perspective would be i can be a prostitute to 1 guy safe in a castle or a i can say no and be a street beggar and have to prostitute myself for money. However despite this they do form a genuine relationship over time that is more since. the fact that despite the sad start to there relationship she does eventually fall in love with the protagonist is really not that different to alina in harem collector. Harem collector just more confronting and dark about the same scenario

Felt i should also mention in renryuus ascension the only way to get a party members affection high enough to sleep with you is to drug them with love potions. you see why people are finding your comparison completely hypocritical. or if you truly do use renryuu as a player insert where his actions align with your moral compass. all though you probably never stopped to think about the dark themes presented in renryuus ascension or just didn't care because renryuu can let you pick the lesser of two evils. In harem collector the dark themes are a part of the games story and world so you cant just pretend its not there. Then the only reason you don't find renryuu's ascension offensive is that its more discreet, (assuming you do the "good" choices). If harem collector gave the player the choice to make to be a cliche moral hero it would make all character growth, dialogue and story become inconsistent and pointless.

and the idea that you think someone shouldn't make something if it doesn't align with there beliefs is so retarded i'm not even gonna bother refuting it. let me guess you probably never watched game of thrones because in your mind George R.R. Martin must endorse rape because main characters in the book rape and get raped.

If you put aside your biases and hypocrisy you might find you enjoy things a lot more, just remember games are fiction and its ok to enjoy and appreciate the content that is there even when it doesn't align with your beliefs. Or maybe instead you can ask the dev to add a SJW game mode that lets you skip scenes that might make you uncomfortable.

TylerJ16 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

"I don't want to try and discover any more of this game since it turned me away from it right from the beginning. I just don't like the character so I don't want to be him and so I don't want to live his story, that's all."

That's fine if that's your opinion but don't attack and insult the creator as if a fictional character he created in a fictional setting is in anyway representative of his morals (like he has a wife who works on the game with him, and have a happy respectful relationship based on what is seen on dev live streams). If you see the protagonist as a self insert and are incredibly sensitive then it's understanding that you might be off put by the protagonists actions. but the offensive way you have voiced your opinion is really contradicts your claim that your "kind hearted"

"If the girls eventually fall for him, this is only because the girls don't actually have a personality, feelings and mind of their own, they are the developers' puppets and the developers decided to make them fall for an asshole, that is."

Again jumping to conclusions about the game and its dev based on 5 minutes of gameplay. The protagonist is incredibly selfish and morally grey, and throughout the game although still being a flawed individual does form genuine bonds with the girls. Nor are the characters puppets with no personality. The protagonist is not a blank slate for you to insert yourself and is not presented as a hero or admirable person. Neither does playing this game make you share the same values as the protagonist.

you claim that you don't believe in the concept of evil and morality is not black and white yet you frame your entire argument based on self serving assumptions that you are right and everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. and your argument that renryuu's ascension is morally superior is delusional. don't get me wrong i love renryuu's ascension but i can name at least a few events where the protagonist takes justice onto is own hands and does morally reprehensible things. Like when he decides that a women that commits a murder deserves to be locked in an underground prison to be raped for the rest of her life. Or when he realizes a police officer who is so obsessed with getting search warrants that criminals gets away. usually there is a good or bad moral option the player can make. But in this case the only way to complete the quest-line is not to reprimand her or use his authority to establish that an officer doesn't need a warrant for criminal investigations. But instead violently rape her until the values shes has takes a complete 180 and she quits the police and becomes a theif. Is that what you think is treating a women with respect and not as an object is you hypocrite.

its clear you are unable to consider or comprehend any viewpoint that is not your own so i don't even know why i bothered writing this. But whining, complaining and insulting people like an insolent man child helps no one. The game is free, has a disclaimer is tagged it doesn't owe you anything. No dev is obliged when making a game to make you feel comfortable in your safe space. The dev politely told you that this game isn't for you and hes sorry if he offended you (all though he shouldn't be) but you just keep going.

What are you trying to achieve with all this arguing or are you just the kind of person who gives himself self worth by demeaning other people? Because your so "kind hearted" that everyone who doesn't align to your way of thinking is objectively evil. Christ i feel insulted and i'm not even working on the game. i was trying to stay calm and respectful when i started writing this but the the fuck. if you downloaded this game you would have seen rape was in the tags and played it anyways. then come here to complain that the game has rape? whatever i'm done.

Edit: oops i kinda just repeated what other people have already said i should have read the other replies first. thats ten mins of my life ill never get back hahah :p

Edit 2: if the kurohime seen happened at the start of the game instead of later would you hate renryuus ascension too? or do you find rape justifiable because she attacks you first... sigh

kchaosfrost6 years ago(+1)

lol u care why? lol ur playing a hentai game bruh hentai aint always pretty qllvthese ppl are FAKE CHARACTERS

Bad_Kitty_Games6 years ago(+1)

Sorry to hear that you didn't enjoy the game, hope that you find games that you find more games like Renryuu which you enjoy! If there's anything in the game or on our page which lead you to believe that this game didn't intend to make use of it being fiction to go into some more morally reprehensible actions feel free to let us know so that we can look into them. We understand that our game isn't quite for everyone and so we try our best to try to make it clear what people are getting into from the outset (which is a big reason for that disclaimer about what we do and don't endorse at the beginning of a game).

Maxime Martyr6 years ago(-1)

You tell that you disapprove of what your game makes its players do then why do you make it?

Your game made on me the impression that you make it to fulfill your fantasies of dominating women, this game is obviously for a macho audience, which I am not into, so I don't enjoy it, indeed.

I don't forget my morals when I am into a virtual world, I stay true to my morals no matter in which world I am and it makes no sense to me to say "There is nothing wrong to be a prick as long as it is in a virtual world.", yes, this is wrong to use virtual worlds as excuses to be a prick, because we imagine and create virtual worlds in order to fullfill our fantasies that the real world doesn't allow us to, so if we want to create and play virtual worlds which allow us to do something and reward us for doing it, that implies that we would like to do this thing in the real world and use virtual worlds to do it because the real world doesn't allow us to do it, so the mere fact to be willing to do bad things in a virtual world tells a lot about our morals.

The things that you tried to make me do in your game, I wouldn't enjoy doing them in real, so why would I enjoy doing them in a virtual world?

This is why I believe only real jerks or wanna be jerks enjoy playing as jerks. So as you said, your game is not for everyone.

You want people know what to expect from your game? Then make it clear in the game description that the player character is a jerk because you didn't mention this point anywhere in the description.

Bad_Kitty_Games6 years ago (2 edits)

If I may, while I understand that you hold yourself to a high moral standard and do not want to engage in these actions it's important to remember that we're all human out there, and it's very unhealthy for most people to hold themselves to a standard of perfection. To these people being able to have an outlet for these emotions that is safe and doesn't harm anyone directly can do wonders in helping them be able to accept themselves, deal with their emotions, and continue to live in peace with those around them. While I get that the game isn't for you because you can't stomach such actions being forced on the player, it is important for us that 'Hero' is a character all of his own with his own personality in a world that's not the best place to live, and while to a player he can fulfill various fantasies (you'd be surprised at how large our female audience is, both inserting themselves into hero's perspective and those even inserting themselves into the perspective of someone in the harem), the Alina scene in question helps serve to make it very clear to the audience that the story won't always go how they want and if they're not willing to explore the sort of character who Hero is that now is a good time to get out. That said, we'll talk about some if we might be able to make the description of the game a little more clear about what it is, but I can't promise much as some of the sites we host on are a bit more strict with the description of the game than the game itself.

Also, a bit of an aside but I do feel that I've got an obligation to point out to you that Renryuu has plenty of actions in it required for the story that would not fit your viewpoint, such as lying about your identity to seize political power over a sovereign nation, carrying out unjustified wars, having sex with women under false pretenses, having sex with employees, and killing others who happen to be in the way of your goals. While you may be okay with these certain things, I think that it's important to point these out as it feels like your viewpoint is inconsistent, having dealt with some instances where that's been the case myself I thought it'd be good to advise that maybe you reflect on why you're okay with Renryuu having these things but not okay with Harem Collector having it's morally reprehensible actions as understanding why one is okay with you but the other isn't is an important step to understanding yourself and being able to voice your thoughts effectively!

Maxime Martyr6 years ago (1 edit) (-1)

As I said, Ryen is a much better king than the original one would have been as the bloodline heir was a selfish brat and Ryen is a king who goes out of his way to personally help his people and even foreign people, he is a king but he barely stays at his castle as he spends most of his time to travel around the world and help whoever he can.

Trey, the head of the royal guard, himself told to Ryen that he is aware that he is an impostor but he recognizes him as the true king since he truly cares about his people. Moreover, if it was not for Ryen, the nobles families would have caused civil war in the kingdom as if they knew that the royal bloodline was extinguished, they all would claim the throne and war each other for supremacy. Ryen, with his trick, backed up by Trey, saved the kingdom from a civil war which would have torn the country apart.

You claim that this doesn't fit my viewpoint but you obviously are totally wrong about me since you seem to think that I am zealous about morals just because I told that I disliked being a jerk in your game, I never talked about morals, from the beginning I talked about respect for women.

My viewpoint is the same as Trey, I approve of Ryen as the true king as he cares about his people and does his best to make everyone happy, actions matter way more than bloodline to me.

And which wars are you talking about exactly? I didn't carry any war, it is even the opposite, I have improved Central relationships with other countries and everyone likes Central, no one wants to attack my kingdom as I am not hostile to anyone. If you "carried out unjustified wars", then it was the result of your behavior, it happened only because people didn't like you, when I am the one in control of Ryen, he is kind-hearted so everyone likes him and no one wants to attack him nor his kingdom, I didn't experiment any war. This is what I talked about, in Renryuu, the player is really in control, the heroes is how the player wants him to be, the player has real freedom to experiment the game how they want, as opposite to your heroes you arbitrary gave a static personality and didn't give a chance to the player to give their own personality to the heroes, so only players who like your heroes personality can actually enjoy being him as they don't have the freedom to make the heroes how they want him to be, this is why I am talking about static personality as opposite to dynamic personality that Ryen has.

Having sex with women under false prentense, what do you mean?

Yes, Ryen has sex with his servants, and with their consent, he never forces himself on any of his servants, he doesn't need to since he is such a sweet man that they all want him, they actually are the ones requesting his affection, which he gladly offers. And when Ryen has sex, he truly cares about the woman/women and their pleasure, not just his own, nothing like your jerk who sees women as toys.

Of course Ryen kills, he is a warrior after all, but he never kills if he has a choice. At least not when I am the one in control of him.

There is no inconsistency in my viewpoint since you pointed things not related to my concern. You pointed lying about his identity in order to change his life and get a fresh start, having sex with his servants and killing while I didn't mention any of these things in my concern about your game. From the beginning, I have always said that I disliked your game because I disliked being the prick that you force on the player as you don't give to the player the freedom to give their own personality to the heroes, and to be more specific, what I dislike about your jerk is how he treats women. You adviced me to reflect on why I am okay with Renryuu but not with Harem Collector. I don't need to since I already know and I already told, the answer is because Ryen is nice to women while your heroes is a selfish prick. Now I return you the advice to maybe reflect on why Ryen seems to be a sweetheart when I am the one in control of him and an asshole when you are the one in control of him.

florvas6 years ago(+1)

If you don't enjoy it then stop whining and GO AWAY. It's clearly not a game that's made for you. You are not the intended audience, so stop trying to change something that someone else made for other people just because you don't like it.

ChamValis6 years ago(+1)

@maxime You must not do well with anything that is different, or outside your safe space. The fact you advertise some boilerplate rpg game seems to show that for a start. Harem collector is a bit different than your typical RPG. One where the god complex of the hero isn't just enjoyed, it is rewarded. This is a very rare concept, one not found in many other type of games. Where heroes needing to suffer first is the status quo.

Coming from a woman, let me go a bit Annie Lennox on you and explain. Some of them want to use you, Some of them want to get used by you. Some of them want to abuse you, Some of them want to be abused. ♪ Too obscure? Fine, just know there are all walks of life out there, and this game is unique among many uninspired hentai games. You went into this game assuming and wanting a lot, never allowing you to just enjoy what it is.

Fyuocuk6 years ago (2 edits) (+1)

OK, we get it, you want to white knight on the internet in the vain hopes of having a woman deign to touch you. It's clear from your posts you don't even know how the female body works, as you've like never seen a naked female body in person, much less touched one. You are a fucking moron, and a hypocrite as others have pointed out. Ryen's entire setup is based on a lie that he is someone who is not, which is rapey itself since he is not the guy he pretends to be so you cant even be offended and have some actual basis in fact, because you are again, a fucking moron. You also go around to other places fucking complaining about boobs, so I can only assume you are one of those idiots who thinks big tits is misogynist or something retarded. You think women with large breasts aren't realistic? Plenty of women have large natural tits on petite frames, but you wouldn't know, would you, having never seen a naked female body in person. You tried HC and immediately went "oooh i can virtue signal to see if i can get some attention!" hopped over here and started fucking sperging like the idiot you are. You aren't even really in it for respecting women, given you think big titted petite women are grotesque and attacked a FEMALE artist for the way she enjoys to draw women. Please go be a retarded SJW elsewhere.

TL:DR: Go fuck yourself. (with a rusty cheese grater)

Maxime Martyr6 years ago (2 edits) (-1)

I'm not bothering to answer to your bullshits you spit about me because I piss you off when I question the morality of a game you enjoy because it allows you to be the jerk you like to be especially since you used the word "SJW" which is a word used only by morally questionable people to attack people who have the morals that themselves lack but I want to answer to what you say about Ryen and Zombie's Retreat character design.

Ryen indeed becomes king by pretending to be someone he is not but only his identity is fake as Trey recognizes him as a much better king that the true selfish weak heir who was murdered would have been and also impersonating him saved the country from a civil war as the nobles families would have seized the opportunity of the end of the royal family to fight each other for the throne.

You talk about Ryen's identity but what really matters is his personality and he definitely is not selfish or at least the developer doesn't force him to be, he always give a choice and it is up to the one controlling Ryen, the player, to decide their own path.

Did I mention anything about mysoginy in my comment about the ridiculous size of the boobs? I would indeed be a moron since I know the character designer is a woman, don't you think? Oh well, you think I am a moron anyway so why do I bother? :-3

Hey now, did you actually play Zombie's Retreat? Because there is a difference between large breasts and ridiculously disproportionate boobs. What I told in my comment about this topic is that I can't take any woman seriously in this game because they breasts look as if they don't belong to them, I know there are all sizes but these just are ridiculously oversized, they go farther than "big", they go impossible, and if you take them seriously then I can only return your suggestion of seeing real women instead of fantasizing on women whose bodies are impossible.

What is your point here? I don't approve what a woman makes so my respect for women is fake? If I truly respected women then I wouldn't question anything made by a woman? Guy, you should actually think before speaking your mind, this is the difference between a moron and an intelligent person.

Now if you disagree with me, I welcome you to express your honest opinion in a constructive way so I can take you seriously. So please, calm down and take your time to actually use your mind before speaking it.

Fyuocuk6 years ago (1 edit) (+3)

I like how you said you aren't bothering to answer me then wrote a small novel in response. As for refuting your retardation: No an SJW is to a normal equality minded person as the WBC is to your average christian. SJWs are extremists, which means are they are retarded (like you!). They are also unable to properly distinguish fiction from reality, and think that depiction means endorsement (again just like your stupid ass!) You are a moron however, so I wouldn't expect you to get the difference. Ryen is merely more willing to go out there and get shit done, this doesn't make him a better person, he is just as willing to rape a woman in his rape dungeon as he is to try to lewd someone the old fashioned way. He is an opportunist looking out for himself, not some great fucking moral person like your idiotic ass thinks he is. In many cases he is just as the people who fucking kicked off the #metoo movement (lust potions fucking people who work for him, or fucking women under false pretenses.) So i take it you hate the stereotypical idea of a rapist but Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton, and Matt Hickey are just fine? This shit is why you are a hypocrite, and a dumbass. I have played and finished up to current content on all games mentioned here, so I do know what i'm talking about here, unlike you. For boob size I know women with boobs that huge personally, some with more petite frames, and some less so, that still stick to the somewhat slim and curvy body types. You don't have to be a BBW to have very large tits, but again since you havent seen a naked woman in person before you wouldn't know this. As for respecting women, if you wanted to be fucking respectful you would say, this art isn't really to my taste, not sperging and going "OH MY GOD THIS ART IS GROTESQUE THIS ARTIST IS TERRIBLE!" like a fucking moron. Also it quite funny that you wish for me to use my mind, when yours has seemingly atrophied from disuse.