Just want to point out a few things, first the main character of Harem Collector can be an ass at times but so can Ryen from Renryuu Ascension. I'll admit the main character of Harem Collector isn't exactly the nicest in his treatment of Alina at first but they do develop a bond later on, as he does with all the girls. However too say that he's a rapist and Ryen isn't is a false statement as Ryen straight up rapes Kurohime, Irinlia, Moriko, and Lace while forcing himself on Millaine and the dark sorceress without it being fully stated as rape (There may be more non optional ones) along with tons of girls you can optionally send to the dungeons to be rape dolls (Aleah is one but she's too sweet to let that happen to her). Both main characters have their bad sides and their good sides but to straight up claim one is all bad while the other gets away with his bad isn't exactly fair. Second, Alina not bleeding during her first time is entirely possible as not all women do bleed their first time, this is just a common misconception. As for the being wet without foreplay, entirely possible as well, women's bodies are more complex than common belief has stated for many years. Wiping up the mess with her clothing is a jerk move but it's common in these kinds of games. Now I'm not trying to fight, I just wanted to point out that it isn't entirely fair to judge this game by one scene as much as you may have disliked it and clear up some misconceptions you were using. Both Harem Collector and Renryuu Ascension have main characters who are capable of being kind or evil people depending on how you play or view them, and I personally enjoy both games and try to play through as the nice guy since I find it to be more enjoyable.
The player can indeed make Ryen rape Kurohime, Moriko, Irlina and Lace if they want but that is if they want, they don't have to, they have a choice, as opposite to how they take Alina's virginity, they don't have a choice, this is the major difference and this is why I don't want to continue even if you tell me that it becomes better after, I don't want to continue after such a disturbing start.
Moreover, about Irlina and Lace, I suggested to Renryuu Ascension's developer to add a choice between pursuing Ryen's own vengeance against Irlina while ignoring Tsubaki or taking care of Tsubaki and hand over Irlina to the guards in the Redwood mansion to let them deal with her, I also suggested to add a "good path" for Lace like there is one for Kurohime as there is currently not a good path for Lace, the only choice currently is to rape her or let her rot in the dungeon, so I suggested to add the possibility for Ryen to be kind to her and release her and they liked both of my suggestions, they added them in their list of improvements to make to the game. They also told me that many players other than me also expressed that they want to be able to be kind to them as well.
Moreover, about Millaine, we also have a choice. either break her box open in order to take a look at its content and betray her trust or be worthy of her trust, not open her box, which makes her trust us for one more errand, go to retrieve her order in the shop and bring it to her, but while in the shop, the clerk mentions the content of the package and Ryen admits it to Millaine and then Millaine offers herself to him if he promises to not talk about it, so it is actually her who offers herself to him, he didn't ask for anything, he merely accepts her offer.
And about Zady, he tested her love potion on her in order to check its effects as she is not trustworthy, he indeed enjoyed her arousal but we later learn that the effect of love potion is actually to make someone become honest with their true desires, it doesn't create fake desire, we learn this when Zady tests a new love potion on Elly and Grey later.
I didn't rape Aleah, I welcomed her into my castle as a maid where I and the other maids take good care of her and she is happier than she has never been before. This makes me feel satisfied, it is nothing like how we treat Alina when we meet her.
You are right, everyone has good and bad sides, Ryen is no exception, but the character in Harem Collector, from the moment I started the game to the moment he enslaved Alina, took her virginity, her special unique first time, without any delicacy and pushed the disrespect even further when he carelessly used her panties to wipe his cum off his dick after he spurted on her, I didn't get a single chance to see anything good in him, from the very beginning, everything he thought, said, did, was bad to me. I mean, from the very beginning, he thought and tried to get his childhood friend drunk so he could take advantage of her, this guy is rotten from his hair to his toes.
Indeed, it is possible to open a woman's hymen without ripping it and making her bleed if we are careful. However he definitely wasn't careful as he fucked her without any delicacy nor care about her so taking into consideration how he did it, there is no way that he didn't hurt her.
And indeed, women can be wet without any foreplay...if they are horny, full of desire, which is obviously not the case here, you will never make me believe that Alina was full of desire for the stranger that she just barely met and who enslaved her at their first encounter.
Also, I played many hentai games and this is the first where the character uses a girl's panties like a rag so I don't believe that this is a common practice so either you are used to play games where you are an asshole and you came to think this is normal behavior either you are the one being unfair trying to defend this game with wrong arguments.
And while it is true that I mentionned only one scene in my previous comments, I didn't exactly make my opinion of this game on one scene only, I didn't like anything about the character that I am supposed to be from the beginning as he has shown me only selfishness from the beginning, making me not wanting to be him.
My honest opinion about your last statement is that you are being hypocryte because you stated that you enjoy being a nice guy but you continued to play this game even though the guy that you are supposed to be is introduced as a jerk. I never had to be a jerk as Ryen, I have had a choice to be or not to be every time that I could be and I have always chosen to not be as I want to be worthy of every woman's affection, I want to deserve it, to earn it in a fair way, not taking what I don't deserve, this doesn't feel satisfying.
I'm pretty sure you are forced to rape/torment Kurohime to recruit her to your cause for events later in the game, the others may be optional but if they end up in Ryen's rape dungeon it's likely part of the story that he forces himself on them. I'd rather that not be the case as the idea of a path where you don't rape them but find another solution to punish their misdeeds or convince them to side with you sounds right up my alley. Millaine does offer herself but it always felt more like she was picking the lesser of two evils as if her secret got out in the holy country then she would be ruined so she has sex with Ryen even though it seems like she doesn't want it, maybe I picked up the wrong signals but that's just what it felt like to me. I'm assuming Zady is the dark sorceress, if so she states that she doesn't want to have sex with Ryen or drink the potion but he forces her to drink it and waits until it drives her mad and consents which sounds a lot like drugging a woman. You say later there's a new love potion that reveals people's true feelings but that sounds like a fix to a questionable scene that uses a different potion entirely (I hope it's actually not the case as I do like the idea of seeing the sorceress again under more obvious consenting conditions). I also welcomed Aleah to my castle as she is such a gentle sweetheart that I couldn't imagine anyone locking her in a dungeon. As for calling me a hypocrite, I feel that is undeserved as I don't play games to be a jerk and seeing characters wiping up the mess afterwards was often from a vile npc raping a character that I wasn't allowed to stop until after the act, which usually resulted in me killing them even if there was an option to spare them (why would I spare a raping monster?) and choosing to follow a path of kinder choices and bonding with the girls in a similar way as I do when playing Renryuu Ascension. It feels like you are making similar arguments to what I am and then claiming I'm a jerk, as Ryen engages in plenty of similar acts as the character of this game just not as quickly and the main character of this game does earn their affection even if at first he enslaves some of them at first (sometimes to save them from some darker fate). I'm not saying you should feel bad for enjoying Renryuu Ascension as it is an incredible game, I'm just trying to point out it is just as full of dark acts just brought in a little later. I enjoy both games and if I feel like playing this game is fine, it's a game that gives you a choice in being a jerk or just coming off as a bit of a jerk while having a heart of gold. I also hope that both games see more obvious good paths as I have straight up quit many games after getting an hour in and finding nothing but rape and despair. And if you don't feel like giving this game another shot then that is entirely your choice as well, play what you want and have fun with it as all should be free to do! Within reason of course.
I never tormented Kurohime, it is quite the opposite, according to her, I made her feel better than she ever did. Let me tell you how I chose to deal with her. Kurohime attempted to assassinate me, then my headmaid captured her and I held her in my dungeon. Then it is up to you to choose how you want to deal with her. You can indeed rape her if you want. But you can also, and this is what I did, focus on foreplay only at first to get her aroused in the mood for more then only then have sex with her, and here again, you can choose how to do it, rough or sweet, of course I chose sweet. Ryen announces her from the beginning how he intends to deal with her: make her feel so good that she will get addicted to his cock and can no more live without it in order to ensure her loyalty. And this is what I did, I treated her so kindly and I cared so much about her that she eventually fell for me and chose on her own to serve me. I never forced her to anything, I have always paid good attention to her needs and mood. I ended her training only when her joy was at max.
No, you never have to rape anyone to advance in the story, Irlina and Lace indeed end in your dungeon, which is not necessarily a "rape dungeon" if you don't want to use it this way by the way, but you can just ignore them as once they end in your dungeon, they have no more part in the story, raping them only unlocks CG, that's all. But you have a point, I don't like to keep them in a cell, so I suggested to the developer to give the choice to the player to take Irlina into their dungeon or to hand over her to the guards in the Redwood mansion to let them deal with her and a good path for Lace and they liked my suggestion so they added these changes in their to do list. ;-)
If Ryen betrays Millaine's trust and looks at her box content, then it indeed feels like Millaine doesn't have a choice. But if Ryen chooses to be worthy of her trust and doesn't look into her box, then she tasks him with another errand for her and while the result is the same, this time it doesn't feel like she doesn't have a choice since this time, she trusts Ryen, , it rather feels like she wants it. I remind you that her secret is that she is fond of sex and also the fact that since she lives in a religious country, it has been a long time since she got the chance to have fun with a man. So she is more than happy that Ryen came to her fort and gives her what she misses.
I told you that Ryen wanted to test Zady's love potion on herself since she uses to play tricks, he doesn't trust her so he wants to check its effects before giving it to someone. Of course, he is more than happy to experience that her love potion is the real deal. Also, she doesn't exactly consent, she actually pushes Ryen on the bed and rides him to his pleased astonishment. And what really matters to me is the after effect, how Zady feels after this experience, and she doesn't mind it so I don't see anything wrong here. I mean, if Zady herself has no problem with it, then why should I have one?
No, what I said is that she later tests a new recipe for the love potion on Elly and Grey then after all 3 of them ran all the way to the castle and into Ryen's room in order to fuck him, she reveals that the true effect of a love potion is to make people be honest with their true desires and this is why they all felt a sudden urge to fuck Ryen. Meaning that a love potion doesn't create desire out of nowhere. It merely forces the desire to go all out but the desire was already there from the beginning.
Don't worry, I made sure to send the old woman who locked Aleah in her basement to jail where she can reflect on her deeds.
I understand your feelings because to me, rape is THE unforgivable deed so me too I wouldn't exactly be willing to spare a rapist even if he begs for mercy and I usually have mercy, not for rapists.
Excuse-me but I have spent hundreds of hours being Ryen, exploring every place, interacting with every inhabitant of this world, discovering every each thing that this world had to offer, and I never ever had experiment anything as disgusting as what I experimented with Alina in Harem Collector. For starters, as Ryen, I didn't enslave anybody, I even forbid slavery in Central, when I discovered the thiefs guild with their slavers, I wanted to destroy it, and when I discovered Dorgania, I was mortified to witness slaves misery everywhere and I still hope that I will eventually be able to convince the king Lancafew to abolish slavery since he likes me so much that he is willing to give me favors. When I questioned him about slavery, he told that it is a necessary evil. Meaning that he doesn't exactly likes it since he considers it as evil. He allows it only because he thinks it is necessary, his country needs it. So if I can give him an alternative, he might be willing to put an end to this evil. Anyway, my point is that, as Ryen, I never enslaved anybody. The very first girl who joined my harem in Harem Collector, I was forced to enslave her... She didn't join me on her free will, so I don't feel her like a reward, that doesn't feel satisfying to have her. I didn't give her a choice, I took her away from her family without any care about what she wanted as if she was an item, not a person. I really disliked it when he put a slave collar on her. Really. A lot. In second, sex scenes in Renryuu really get me in the mood. I can't take sex seriously in Harem Collector. I don't believe that a girl is wet for the jerk that she just met and who enslaved her, that she feels anything else than pain when this jerk thrusts into her virgin pussy without any delicacy, certainly tearing her hymen apart, but without making her bleed, and disgust when a jerk that she didn't choose steal her unique first time, her first experience having a man inside her, her precious virginity. This sex scene just feels not credible to me, it just feels as the fantasy of a man who wants to dominate women and wants that women enjoy his domination, fantasy that I don't share, so this game is made to fulfill a fantasy which is not mine so it is not for me, this is how it makes me feel. And to finish, as Ryen, I never felt such disdain for women as I felt when I casually used Alina's panties as if it was a rag to wipe my cum of my dick, disdain feeling which made me want to quit the game and uninstall it from my PC right away.
Wow, you are willing to play for one hour to games which offer you nothing but rape and dispair! Now I understand why you were willing to continue playing this game after how it forced you to treat Alina. If a game makes me experiment something that I dislike from the start, I certainly am not willing to experiment any more of it. You know the saying: the first impression is the decisive one. ;-3
It's clear that you aren't truly here to be reasonable, as you seem to take jabs at everyone at every chance you can get then claim they are at fault when they jab back. As for the games, Renryuu does offer choices in many areas but you keep denying that many of the acts started out as/still are terrible while tearing this game apart from less than 10 minutes of gameplay. If this game isn't for you just leave, as you haven't succeeded in changing anyone's minds on this game and may have caused harm for Renryuu Ascension's reputation for fans of this game. Some people find Alina's enjoyment unbelievable and/or reprehensible, some people find imprisoning Kurohime and molesting or raping her to loving you unbelievable and/or reprehensible. I won't be responding past this as it's likely you are only interested in insulting this game and it's fans while advertising a game that is full of just as dark moments optional and not.
"I didn't rape Aleah, I welcomed her into my castle as a maid where I and the other maids take good care of her and she is happier than she has never been before. This makes me feel satisfied, it is nothing like how we treat Alina when we meet her."
even the "good" options still show a great deal of immorality and possessiveness. your argument is that its ok to gather girls and keep them as house pets just not slaves. Would renryuu have done the same thing if she where ugly. if you put yourself in aleahs perspective would be i can be a prostitute to 1 guy safe in a castle or a i can say no and be a street beggar and have to prostitute myself for money. However despite this they do form a genuine relationship over time that is more since. the fact that despite the sad start to there relationship she does eventually fall in love with the protagonist is really not that different to alina in harem collector. Harem collector just more confronting and dark about the same scenario
Felt i should also mention in renryuus ascension the only way to get a party members affection high enough to sleep with you is to drug them with love potions. you see why people are finding your comparison completely hypocritical. or if you truly do use renryuu as a player insert where his actions align with your moral compass. all though you probably never stopped to think about the dark themes presented in renryuus ascension or just didn't care because renryuu can let you pick the lesser of two evils. In harem collector the dark themes are a part of the games story and world so you cant just pretend its not there. Then the only reason you don't find renryuu's ascension offensive is that its more discreet, (assuming you do the "good" choices). If harem collector gave the player the choice to make to be a cliche moral hero it would make all character growth, dialogue and story become inconsistent and pointless.
and the idea that you think someone shouldn't make something if it doesn't align with there beliefs is so retarded i'm not even gonna bother refuting it. let me guess you probably never watched game of thrones because in your mind George R.R. Martin must endorse rape because main characters in the book rape and get raped.
If you put aside your biases and hypocrisy you might find you enjoy things a lot more, just remember games are fiction and its ok to enjoy and appreciate the content that is there even when it doesn't align with your beliefs. Or maybe instead you can ask the dev to add a SJW game mode that lets you skip scenes that might make you uncomfortable.