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Is there a tag exclusion function? If not, please make it.

A topic by srtdog64 created Aug 04, 2024 Views: 343 Replies: 18

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srtdog64131 days ago(+1)

I'm really sorry if there's a 'exclude tag' feature.

I really need it right now
Especially regarding AI-generated works.

First of all, "I" don't think AI products are bad. But there are a lot of game consumers who don't think it's good.

However, after retouching the AI product, I sometimes purchased AI Asset with a lot of tags.

However, after retching AI products, several tags are attached, making it difficult to check tags.

It's a personal value that AI products are bad.

So there are people who like it, and I respect that.

But I personally don't want to take the risk of someone who hates AI products when I complete the game and sell it.

When I Search Asset recently, there were a lot of AI sales. These products are basically hard to use in games because of their low art concept consistency.

And also, some consumers notice that they are AI products, since the noises that come from the Gaussian distribution removal process are not completely removed.

And I also don't view AI products badly, but I don't want to buy them. It's much better to create AI assets using the AI model you currently subscribe to.

The problem is, when the resolution is low in the thumbnail, I don't know if this is an AI product. Then there are times when I buy and regret it.

I don't think I want to ruin the AI ecosystem. However, there are still people who are hard to accept at the moment, so I hope there's a function to exclude tags to help each other.

No Time To PlayModerator131 days ago

See the lots, and lots, and lots of discussions about this, for example right at the top of Ideas & Feedback. The answer is the same as a few years ago.

srtdog64131 days ago(+2)

beldr4723 days ago(+3)

6 years ago is the last time anyone even made an effort to add the most basic of features, tag filtering. A post from 2 years ago asked once again for them to add tag filtering, they just answered with a link to the old post. it's 2024 and they still refuse to do the most basic ass tag filtering this is just pathetic

I think if so, can you think your opinion is close to No?

No Time To PlayModerator131 days ago

As I said, there were lots and lots and lots of topics discussing this over the years. You can probably spot my posts in some of them.

srtdog64131 days ago

I understand that you're really annoying, but to be honest, I think it's better to make a notice about the questions that come up often.

I think my answer may sound a bit 'sarcastic'. I'm willing to apologize for this, but I'm already buying AI works by mistake. I'm so tired.

I understand you're annoying to be honest, but you also need to know that I don't know everything about you. It's the first question for me, no matter how many times you've asked.

And if there were so many questions, I think I would have announced 'frequently asked questions'.

If the system is wrong, it becomes difficult for the individual. Personally, I don't improve what can be improved in this system, so I think you have a hard part.
In particular, I think that questions that are frequently asked can be announced simply.

I know that you have committed as a mediator on this site.

To be honest, I don't want to fight you over such trivial matters. You and I know each other only on the Internet, but nevertheless, since we are people who use this site and are a kind of community, I think I should also be polite.

I also apologize once again for posting a reply somewhat aggressively because of your annoyance, but basically I don't know why my words made you so angry.

hechelion131 days ago (1 edit)

Are you using a translator?

That's probably the problem, because I don't see any of the "No Time To play" responses showing anger or aggression.

A clarification: "No Time To play" is a community moderator, he has no power to modify Itch, so he's not saying that he doesn't want to add an exclusion tag. He's just explaining a fact.

On ITch it's only possible to exclude one TAG

https://itch.io/post/304369

srtdog64131 days ago (2 edits) (+1)

were lots and lots and lots of topics discussing

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I'm not using a translator. but, I felt like this part looked angry.
In my culture, when use this type of Bold font as an emphasis on 'anger'.

I think it's a difference according to culture.

Anyway, thank you for your response.

redonihunter131 days ago

Oh, you can hear him rolling his eyes. It is just the ususal frustration of any moderator in any community about people asking a question that has been answered very often, so that anyone using the search function of the board should have stumpled upon it.

srtdog64130 days ago

To be honest, even if I search, there's no word that I'm going to implement this 'exclude' function. If there's a clear answer that I can't implement it, I'll understand.

I'm an Asian culture in general, so it's generally considered "angry" for community operators to basically complain. However, since this is a Western culture, I apologize for this.

And to be honest, I think you know how uncomfortable the search function on this site is. And the function will be implemented anywhere in the forum I've seen. There's no clear answer that it won't be implemented.

Rather, if there is a certain exclusion function by notice, I may not know, but unless there is,

I can only say that the system itself is wrong to be honest.

I think we should give a clear answer.

I've searched and there's no clear answer to this question, I just don't know what to say to me if I just say I've got a lot of questions.
My major is superconductor. So someone else asks me about superconductors, do you really think the answer is the right one to answer that I've been asked a lot about superconductors?

redonihunter130 days ago

Even allowing for translation issues, I have difficuties to understand what you talk about. Please use a translator page and backtranslate what you wrote into your own language and check if that sounds incomprehensible to you too.

Also you answered to my reply to another thing, instead of my reply to you, where I did talk about things you refer to in a way that makes me think you did not read that other reply.

The moderator does not work for Itch. He is not the operator of this message board. This message board, the itch community, is a user message board. Not a tech support message board. It is users talking to each other. So do not expect official statemens of any kind. The founder of Itch sometimes posts in this board as well. But no "official" statement about reasons or plans in regard to any exclusion features so far. And there is no habit of talking about internal information, plans and roadmaps, so this is not anything unusual.

Rather, if there is a certain exclusion function by notice, I may not know, but unless there is,

I can only say that the system itself is wrong to be honest.

Please. Translate this back and forth. What do you mean? I do not understand.

You would like that feature. I got that. But what is wrong about the situation? I asked the people discussing in the threads about this topics several times about other game hosting sites with exclusion features. I could not find any. And no one gave me an example. There is one exception, and that is "Steam". And their tag exclusion is hidden away. I used the site for many, many years without ever noticing that feature's existence.

It just is not a common feature. So what is "wrong" about not having this feature?

My major is superconductor. So someone else asks me about superconductors, do you really think the answer is the right one to answer that I've been asked a lot about superconductors?

But we would not ask you! We would discuss about the topic at a site where you would not answer such questions at all, even if you were to read and sometimes post there.

If this were are more technical message board, there would be a rule about people having to use the search function of the board, before opening a new thread. And any threads opened that demonstrate that this was not done would be closed. But as I said above, this is not a technical support message board. It is users talking to users. No one qualified will answer here (most of the time). All we can tell you, as fellow users, is, that there is no official answer about reasons why this feature does not exist. And we can talk about how to cope with the lack of that feature.

srtdog64130 days ago

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll use a translator to communicate from now on. Until now, I've been writing to improve my English skills, so I didn't know if those were incorrect expressions.

What I'm curious about is this. To be honest, when I clicked on the Support board on this forum, it led me to this channel, so I thought the mediator was one of the staff members. This is because I also used to work as QA for a game company. And in my culture, things actually operate in the way I described (I am Korean). I'm talking about a board where you can see both official responses from the staff and official responses from users

That's why I naturally thought Questions&Support would be the typical official request channel. I think it's a cultural difference, and this is the point I want to make

And as you mentioned, I'm a frequent Steam user, and because it's naturally available on Steam, I asked the question. To be honest, I'm very perplexed by the fact that there's no direct channel on this site. Since direct support and requests to game companies are possible on Steam, I thought it would be similar to Steam's community support, but I'm confused that it's not the case.

My point is that all of these things are set up in a flawed system. If suggestions for site features aren't being checked by the staff, why bother making them public?

I use this site to purchase assets, but recently there's been a flood of AI works, causing me to spend money I don't need to spend, so I made a request. I've now realized that this is just a public board, and my questions and suggestions are not checked by the site staff.

Anyway, I understand your answer. I'll accept it as a cultural difference. And I initially searched within the board.

I want you to understand that I asked the question because there wasn't a clear answer in the first place. I searched before asking my question and confirmed that there was no clear answer about adding features, so I asked.

You might think it's 'obvious', but there's really nothing 'obvious' in this world. Frankly, you know the rules in detail because you're a long-time user of this site, but for me, it's difficult to know community rules that aren't even in the announcements.

Anyway, thank you for your long answer. I also feel that my English skills are still lacking for long compositions. It's because I'm not from an English-speaking culture. I think it will be clear this time because I used a translator.

Thank you for your help.

redonihunter130 days ago (2 edits)

Oh, I do that too (the writing to improve my English). I assume your native language has phrases that ommit the pronouns a lot, so things like "I" and "you" are hard. The back translating on a web page is a simple trick to use. If your text does not translate back well, the translator did not understand the meaning.

The sub-forum is misleadingly named: "Support", but the first sentence in the header should clarify it. "Get help from the itch.io community". For real issues they want you to send a mail to actual support. So here in the message boards it is mostly discussion among users, which might or might not include solutions.

And do not worry, it is less cultural difference and more of: Itch being Itch. Some things are just different, as it is an indie site for indie games. And this includes the message board. Ever heard of a message board that has no spoiler functionality in comments? A message board about games. A topic, where spoilers are a concept.

All publishers on this site are also users. At least there is no difference between the accounts. You are a publisher if you have uploaded a project. There are also no direct or private messages on Itch. But they still have a follower system that reminds people of actual social media. And when you write a review for a game, it is not public as it would be public on Steam. It is not attached to the game. The publisher sees it, and maybe followers of the review writer. And it appears in the global feed of reviews for a short time. Very peculiar.

They have a button for feature requests. It is hidden if your browser window has too few width pixels. There is a button on the left side in your settings, called feedback. If you do not see the button, decrease zoom level of your browser. Requesting features in message board is therefore not the channel to Itch. It might get noticed and there might be discussion. So my theory about the the exclusion feature is, that while some people discuss it on the message board, actually not that many people did request it by the feedback button. When it came up in message board some 6 years ago, the site founder quickly made an "inofficial" feature for a single tag exlusion. But this was not expanded. Probably because it would be very hard to do multiple tag exclusion.

And in case you missed it:

https://itch.io/game-assets?exclude=tg.ai-generated

This will hide all assets that are tagged ai-generated. But you will still need to read the description, because selecting this particular tag is not enforced.

(The feature is inofficial, because it has no button on the website. You need to add it to the url. If you do that a lot, use a bookmark.)

Anyways, as I hinted in another reply here: this feature will be of little use to you. There are 60000 assets on Itch. Only 300 have that ai tag.

Moozly106 days ago(+1)

An answer from 2017 that has a solution that no longer works. Please consider my options I have given here: Why don't admins relay to whoever made them staff that we need an exclude tag option? - Questions & Support - itch.io

Also, with over 1.02 MILLION GAMES you would think an exclusion option would take priority, especially when it is a highly requested topic. If there are lots, and lots, and lots of discussions about this, then maybe it's an issue that needs to be taken with a higher priority as many of your users and developers are asking this simple addition of your sites developers. Instead of a roundabout answer, you should take the time to send this and all the other requests to someone higher up than waste time telling us a solution that all of us have seen and tried before, as it is the one of the first three search results on google if you search, "Itchio exclude tags" or "how to exclude tags on itchio".

I understand that there is probably a path your team is taking to make additions to the site, but it takes 1-2 people and a few lines of code to alter a search result. and if/then/else statement could be made as an idea, but idk

redonihunter106 days ago

that has a solution that no longer works

You need to be logged into your account for that solution to work. It works fine. It just is a hassle to add the url filter. If you use the same search parameters often, use a bookmark.

Did you hit the feedback button and clicked feature request and suggested a multiple tag exclusion with user interface?

Moozly104 days ago(+2)

I don't need to ask for a feature when mods have been telling us roundabout ways to fix such a simple solution for years and even said themselves to follow an 8 year old post that is now defunct.

When I log in, I can use the method I said above to bypass ONE (1) tag, not multiple. Plus this is not helpful for people who just want to play games and not have to seek out these methods and learn how to properly utilize these methods, like casual gamers or older audiences who aren't adept with url extensions or introductory website knowledge.

redonihunter104 days ago

If you want a feature, please hit the feedback button and describe the feature and why you think it would enhance the browsing for games.

It takes a few seconds. Why do you think you do not need to ask for a feature through the official channels? It will not reflect actual demand for a feature, if everyone just is silent in the official channel, but laments in community.

In other words: suggest the feature on the official suggest feature button. And ask in community how to browse for games without such a feature.

redonihunter131 days ago (1 edit)

That would only solve your browsing for assets issue, if there were an agreed upon and enforced tag that indicates the usage of "AI". And there would be needed a definition how much AI is considered AI.

Is it even mandatory to disclose the usage of AI? Is there anything in the tos or in the quality guidelines?

It kinda is! https://itch.io/docs/creators/quality-guidelines#avoid-uploading-excessive-amoun...

If your project involves automatic or AI generation, make sure it’s clearly stated in your project description

But there is no rule about tagging it in any way. So you will still have to read the description. And for assets, the number for projects is usually a good hint, if AI generated or manually made.

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Oh, and there is no refusal to implement the feature. There is just no official statement about such features. It might come, it might not. My guess is, that it depends on how cheap it is to implement it, and that a working feature would be hard to impose on the current system. For multiple tags. The old "inofficial" feature to filter out one tag never got an ui button. I made one, if you use Chrome. I also made another helper, that will let you ignore asset developers that you know to make AI assets. Or you can use a user style addon to filter them out.

No Time To PlayModerator130 days ago(+1)

I'm sorry for snapping at you. It's an old issue that made a lot of people angry in this community. New members have no way of knowing.

That said, redonihunter is right, and has even created a tool that can help. Check it out.

srtdog64130 days ago(+2)

I apologize again. I'm sorry

Thank you for your hard work.

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