Hi, I read on the Wikia that having 50 Poise can also pass Jarrod's date, is that true? Asking for my Shelteres Princess mc
Thank you to Aly and all contributors to this thread. With y'alls help, I finished the game with 4/7 character backgrounds, 4 different love interest, the heartwarming trio friendship scene (Avalie queen!!) AND finally a legendary run ;) (all 7+ hours per run) With that, I am still excited to continue playing.
Are the 'secret' unlockable backgrounds available to play in the EA? If so, what do I need to do. They show up in the More than You Appear screen but I can't play them when I click. Also, I know there's an NG+ but from some of you, it sounds like this is already available with the EA. Is this true?
I was trying to get a good ending while romancing Clarmont as the Countess
Can you do it without bringing peace to Revaire?
He would dump me if I tried to participate in rebel activities. I had to choose support for him to continue
I had very low manipulation and cunning the entire time. Charisma wasn't great either.
I tried getting in with Sayra. I got her and Ria's gift but not Mrs. White's. Never found out Sayra's secret.
I did solve the murders though.
to romance clarmont successfully you need to either bring peace to revaire or side with the rebels
you should be able to choose either option at the end of week five as long as you pick all the right answers during your conversation (see guide)
if you don't have high enough persuasion to choose katiya's legacy as your ambition during the self-introductions then you can gain rebel approval by telling estelle that imogen is innocent at dinner
Oh! Do I need to have Katyia's legacy as a public ambition in order to side with the rebels?
I had it as a private ambition but had a different public one.
I'm trying to figure out what stat I'm missing when I was able to support the rebels but didn't have enough of something to participate. I thought my persuasion might have been too low? Could that be the only thing stopping me?
I made it to the end with his proposal but Clarmont died in the war.
you have to hit both a certain threshold of rebel approval (like half the bar?) and a certain level of sayra friendship for sayra to reveal her secret, which you definitely need in order to arrange peace and most likely need to side with the rebels. having katiya's legacy as your public ambition is the biggest, easiest early-game boost to rebel approval - i think you might need it to get the rebel gift in week 3
I don't think I've ever gotten the rebel gift in any playthrough, even in the first 3 week demo. Maybe once when the demo was new, but not in the last couple years. How do I increase the rebel approval that much that early?
and according to the most recent guide posted in guides, you need a minimum of 250 persuasion to have katiya's legacy as a public ambition which I didn't have. Having almost no manipulation and low charisma are probably hurting me early on, since they're part of persuasion.
I'm attempting another go with my Countess build. without the rebel gift and without the public katiya ambition.
I already ended up with perfect acquittal, which I didn't get the first time with the Countess.
Do you treat Sayra, Ria and the staff nicely? E.g. be friendly with them when you introduce yourself (part of character creation), invite them to eat breakfast with you, invite them to events, comfort Ria on the day of the horse riding accident? Did you also sweep in to assist Sayra against the drunk delegate?
Can't think of anything else which could affect the rebel faction - the actions above would help with Sayra's approval/friendship which is also linked to the rebel faction. I have always received the gift from Mrs. White/Ria +Sayra
it might also depend on things like your success at the self-introductions (i think passing perfectly gives you a bigger boost than just passing?) and having enough insight (at least 60) to choose the best option assisting sayra ("I don't doubt that Sayra can handle herself, but...")
there's a guide that covers the entirety of the game in the help and guides thread now, btw!
I did every single one of those things you mentioned, and didn't receive the rebel gift. Any time I could comfort Ria instead of receive a stat boost, I did. I received the Ria/Sayra gift. And I got Ria's confession.
Anything that boosted Ria or Sayra I did. I invited Ria to both events and I invited Sayra to the girls night. I didn't have the stats to succeed in the onvu tournament.
There's one rebel approval thing I missed the first go through which was responding to Lady Estelle about Imogen being innocent. I'll find out at the end of week 4 if it will let me choose to participate in the rebellion. I'm using a guide to boost my persuasion everywhere I can. I'm going to assume if I still can't continue the romance by picking that answer that I need to redo it...AGAIN.
Do I need Sayra's secret for a successful romance with Clarmont, so he survives to the end without peace?
and omg, i just remembered something and it will blow my mind if this is the ONLY reason I'm not getting the rebel gift because the guides don't say that this choice affects any approval. Because I thought it only affected my personality. But on day 1 when talking to Gisette, because i have no manipulation, I choose to say I support her in order to improve my relationship with her and nothing else. Might I have to either avoid talking to her or support the people?
EDIT: I still couldn't choose the "participate in rebellion"
According to one guide all I need to get it are the right answers and ethical. Do I need to be max ethical? I'm almost max but not quite.
I'm not even sure what choices I made that prevent full ethical...unless it's the option I mentioned above on day 1?
I think you messed up with Gisette, for the peace in Revaire ending I would avoid her unless you're playing with at least 75 manipulation. (and truthfully I wouldn't go this route without it for the legacy ending).
First I greeted Sayra, Ria and Jasper friendly
invited them to eat
When talking to Ana click Gisette want to talk to u for 5+ manipulation
NEED TO TALK TO ZARAD, CLARMONT, EMMET AND JARROD (for peace in Revaire ending) (would immediently go to the first introductions don't waste time on hair and makeup)
Save Penelope from Jarrod in the first introductions when talking to Clarmont
rebel secret 1 in kitchen
made Kaytia's legacy my goal
Host a event and invite Sayra
------week 2 --------
Met Clarmont in the garden
meet Jarrod in the training room
forbidden room (for trial- you need 100% to get rebel respect)
cliffs (rebel secret 2)
--------week 3-------
Befriended/romanced Jarrod and rejected him, (needs 450 persuasion).
accept Clarmont's proposal
Host an event and invite Sayra
-----week 4-----
Say 'I'm sure Imogen is innocent' in the supper after the murder
visit crime scene in first day and examin everything
find alibis for Imogen
go see the other crime scene and click rummage through everything, and click everything but the water option
(70 manipulation of 50 courage needed to talk to Kade)
He's the murder ordered by the island natives. He used a rosethorn, made the horses disappear, Framed Gisette, (idk the rest off the top of my head)
On the last day Zarad with enough friendship will meet u and tell u about the weapon used and u have to go to the servants quarters to check for it.
Achieve a perfect trial, by clicking the ace up my sleeve
Go on dates with Clarmont
-----week 5------
go to servants quarters, Mrs White will give u a nod if u have MAX approval with the rebels.
go on dates with Clarmont
and do the break up scene with him again.
-----week 6-------
Grind poise for the negotiations
----week 7-----
no need to host the ball
follow the wiki's advice on how to bring peace in Revaire, for the legacy ending u need to convince, Gisette, Jarrod and Sayra
You definitely don't need max Ethical, I got it with a Widow that kept toeing the line and I was juuuust barely on the ethical side of the halfway mark when Clarmont tried to break up with me. (I remember I had to wait to do a murder on my personal issue storyline, finishing it JUST in time to not get arrested, so I think I was even back into Immoral when Sayra talked to me.)
Also, to get Mrs White's nod, you just need to have filled half of the Rebel approval bar (which is the "max" you can have at this point, or thereabouts).
I think you can still figure out the secret and continue the storyline with all the other requirements, and not having 50% Rebel approval just gives you a lot of Clarmont and Sayra rivalry (Mrs White gets mad at you but you still piece it together). This is probably for the allying with Gisette's family route, but maybe you can still ally with the rebels anyway...? It doesn't take away from their friendship/romance/respect, so maybe it's still possible.
Do I need to invite Sayra to the first event even though I know she will decline? That's the only thing I didn't do. I didn't realize the importance there can be of inviting certain people who don't come, just to raise stats with them (like Jasper). Does increasing Sayra's stats affect the rebel approval?
I've figured out the main secret every time just without the Sayra part. So she's the reason I can't participate in the rebellion? Where in the timeline does she tell you her secret so I know if I've messed up? Before the play but after the trial? An exact day would be nice if you know it. Do I need to receive Mrs. White's gift too? Or is it possible to get Sayra's secret without receiving the gift? Because I don't know what I'm not doing in order to get that gift.
My current build doesn't have high enough persuasion to give me the option of a public ambition of Katiya's legacy. Is having that as a public ambition required for the rebels? Do I need to redo the character build to increase my persuasion to make it possible?
According to a guide, Ana's acceptance to your week 1 event is automatic, but she declined. Was this previously true and now changed? Or do you have to have zero rivalry? The only rivalry answer I gave was for the etiquette boost on day 1, but gave the best answers all other times including her date.
gotcha. thank you 👍
one more question. do you know if the relationship scores are considered when you send the invite or when the event happens? since Ana's date happens after you send the invite but before the event, does what you earn affect the acceptance to the invitation or was it already decided before the date, when you first sent the invitation?
So I absolutely swear I chose all seven Jarrod reform flag options but there was no conversation with him triggered before the revaire negotiations. I wish there was a way I could check the game log to know for sure if I got them all or unknowingly missed one.
Is there any other requirement I could be missing? I didn't finish the rebel secret this time through so I never got choices with Gisette. I'm not on his romance path and my background is Revaire. But the guide doesn't list any other requirements outside of the "reform flags"
For endings. If you're from Revaire. Will you always get a bad ending unless you get peace or able to take a side?
The main thing is you need to make sure Lyon's romance level is high enough and that your MC is ethical and compassionate. After that it's a matter of you picking the right dialogue options in the choices that come afterwards. As long as you picked all the right answers OR picked almost every right answer (I think you can miss one or two) and have at least 400 persuasion you should be good to go with him!
I'm playing a Revaire Widow with full or near full noble, compassionate, and ethical personality traits but when Gisette came and asked for the names of rebels my only option presented was to tell her everything (and get the Royal Habits achievement). Are there other options that I could've unlocked? Is this because I also had a full ambitious trait? This is really awkward because I was romancing Clarmont :*)
Yeah, you have to get Sayra’s approval higher to be able to get the peace or rebel outcomes.
Quote from Aly earlier in this thread:
“Sayra's friendship and respect are boosted by choosing katyia's legacy, being nice to the servants (introducing yourself, comforting ria, sticking up for sayra when the delegate is bugging her, ) inviting her the onvu tournament, or the girls night, saving Imogen at the trial (this is a big one, it gives a 20/20 boost for the best performance and a 10/10 for saving her)”
you're having the exact issue I had a couple weeks ago. Everything that was already said
But you also might need Rebel approval. After the last rebel secret, Mrs. White in the servants quarters, if Clarmont's rivalry goes to 50% then rebel approval isn't high enough.
Did you get Mrs. White's Gift and Sayra/Ria's gift before the breakfast?
And on day 1, did you talk to Gisette at all? if so what was the last answer you gave?
I wish there was a character guide to increasing specific characters' friendship for outcomes, choices, or endings.
For example, before I get to the week 7 conversation with Gisette, I've done everything else right, but I guess my friendship is barely below 50 (which I assume would be half the bar) and rivalry is 30 or higher. My friendship might be 40 or even 45. Other than Katiya's footsteps I don't think I did anything else to get Gisette Rivalry. I invited her to my events and gave her the best gift and succeeded in her event.
What other friendship boost is there? I used the guide to pick all her best conversation answers. Maintained her friendship after week 3 getting matched with someone else. At the beginning I successfully lied to her about supporting her. I visited her in the Gazebo after the horse ride.
I failed the check after the "great arguments question" I never got to the blackmail option. I went back and tried for the Sayra/Jarrod marriage and she killed me.
Can I convince Gisette to peace without getting a perfect acquittal? I got the next best thing. I guess that also adds rivalry.
And why doesn't respect factor into these? I literally have respect from her maxed.
this guide has a very specific walkthrough (in the week 7 tab) to choosing all the correct answers in your gisette convo, i'd also recommend looking in the guides and resources thread if you're struggling with something
I know, that's the guide I used. I did all the right answers for both different ways to peace. 1 rejected. 2 (sayra/jarrod) dead
according to that page of the guide i need less than 30 rivalry (+2 wrong if not) and at least 50 friendship (+1 wrong if not). If I get +3 wrong there's an auto fail at the point I'm struggling with. I have both. And I need help knowing how to prevent gisette's rivalry from getting that high and how her friendship could be higher than it is because I did everything I know about. The only way to get her rivalry down would be perfect acquittal but my warfare knowledge is too low to achieve that without starting over.
EDIT: i was not friends with zarad
I think you misunderstood some parts of the guide, let me help you.
In your w7 Gisette convo, you don't need a good relationship with her to convince her to peace. The choices during the Gisette relationship check are "Yes, I do" and "Best not", choosing the latter will let you avoid the check. Now, before that choice, if you have 30 or more rivalry with her you will get +1 WRONG (or +2 if 40 rivalry, or +3 if 60 rivalry), but if you haven't pissed her off much beforehand it should be fine.
(For the record, saying your goal is Katiya's legacy gives +10 rivalry, not having all aquit for trial and just most aquit gives +20 rivalry. Katiya's Legacy pretty much requires all aquit so you probably should redo it if that's your goal.)
And yes, Zarad will help you before the trial if you're romancing him or have 25 friendship with him. Tell me if you need help on befriending him.
Just saw Aly's Tumblr post saying Weaver might give 10? Manipulation bonus and I'm EXCITED!!! Really helpful for my Wellin and Arland MCs! I usually choose max Manipulation in the CC for the others, but with the Weaver bonus and all the other bonuses, they could still have 75 manipulation in the beginning! So I can choose another skill in the CC! :D
I'm absolutely certain that I saw all the scenes for the Hise MC's plot (successfully got info from Hamin and Zarad), to the point where selecting "Pursue personal affairs" just kicked me back to the standard free time screen, but I never got the achievement. Did I miss something, or is this just another bug?
What's the max manipulation you can get as the Princess from CC? Also, can the Princess ever redeem Jarrod, or will she never have enough persuasion for the check no matter what she does? I'm trying to plan for a Princess run where she ends up with both Jarrod and Gisette but I can't tell if it's doable! Or if NG+ bonuses are a must for that route.
Princess can get like 25 max from CC, only in the question about bandits because choosing the other options will lock her background. Plus the ng bonuses (Revaire siblings/Avalie) would be 40. Redeeming Jarrod requires his week 1 date and Arland can never get enough courage to pass it. For the Revaire 3p you don't have to do anything with Jarrod. Just be immoral, romance Gisette, and she'll handle it. Side with Revaire royals and choose "something of you both" with Jarrod in week 7. Complete the Rebel secret chain, which doesn't include Sara's secret.
I tried it while befriending Sarya and the rebels then betraying them, but I guess the previous version was bugged because it made Jarrod marry Sarya. Maybe it's fixed now, but I tried again without Sara's secret or rebel approval and it worked. Also don't choose Katiya;s legacy for goal. Hope this helps :)
You sure? I've seen 50 Courage or 50 Poise on the 7KPP wikia (when I looked a few weeks ago at least.) I'll go and test it because obviously, as the Princess I don't have the required manipulation or courage and I just looked at my princess save (my first ng+) and in character creation I didn't give her the (alleged) required poise either.
Will report back!! EDIT: Yeah, 50 Poise doesn't do it, sorry friend.
Hi, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can't get the clean slate version to clear my seen text. It will work initially in 1.07 after I select the option but then when I close it and open 1.12 my seen text is still there. Is there a step I'm missing? Alternatively if someone could let me know what file to delete to brute force it (I already tried deleting the renpy file from appdata)
Thanks!
Hey I finally figured this out, leaving it here in case anyone else is having the same issue
Delete the 'persistent' file in the AppData\Roaming\RenPy folder then go back to the Seven Kingdom Princess Problem \game\saves folder and delete the 'persistent' file there
Simply deleting the folder in AppData\Roaming\RenPy will cause the game to pick up on the 'persistent' file in the SKPP \game\saves folder. This will then sync the file there back into the AppData\Roaming\RenPy folder.
To put it simply, both the universal persistent file and the local persistent file must be deleted to get a clean slate. If you only delete one but not the other, then the game will continue to check both locations and sync to the one that has the most progress.
I played as the Revaire MC on my first playthrough and got the bad end, I suspect its because I didn't bother finding out about the country's internal conflict.
Its not compulsory to find out for every MC unless we are from Revaire or aiming for one of the Revaire LI are we? I don't want to play another round just to get the bad end again for the same reason 😭
From my understanding, if your LI is Jasper you need to be successful in getting the best ending for Revaire? And by getting the CGs it means that you unlocked the best ending?
I got the CG of Sayra on the throne with Gisette being her Spy Master, I got Penelope to go to Skalt, I even got Jarrod to step down peacefully but I couldn't get Jasper's CG. I even got legendary host & belle of the ball during the ball. The only thing I could think of that I'm missing is the historian route, I didn't have enough time blocks to explore that :(
Is the missing link the historian route or something else?
I am having problems unlocking the "more than I seem" backgrounds I have have seen two appear but it says that they aren't available yet. Is this a bug? Are they teasers for an upcoming version, or do I need to do something special to unlock them? I am playing the full version of the game, and have done a successful play-through of each main background
Am I understanding it correctly that if you play a widow and haven't fully unlocked the rebel secret chain it's impossible to get anything other than the worst possible ending for your character?
When Gisette came to see me during the final week, she realized I didn't know about the rebels, and just got dissapointed and left, and I was not able to have any input on the negogiations that just ended in war. I understand that the Revaire/Rebel plotline is difficult, but just..
In order to fully unlock the rebel scret chain you need at least 60 insight (specifically for the scene with Gisette and Jarrod at the cliffs in week 2). During the welcome feast I focued on roleplay/personality rather than farming insight, so did I just fully doom my character with a roleplay decision made durng the first event of the game with no possibility to do anything to change it afterwards? That seems harsh.
I agree that's pretty harsh on not letting people have different play styles and being able to get the best endings.
It would be nice if every skill check had multiple solutions for more flexibility, instead of requiring the player to have to play one single way in order to succeed. Otherwise despite many dialogue choices, there isn't actually any choice if you want the best ending.
I cannot pass the second matchmaker interview for anything. I've been trying for three days (doing both a Jiyel and a Hise background.) I have four or fewer stats less than 50, and I earned the "girl to bring home" achievement. Is it something to do with my relationships?
Or is it better to play a few runs in causal instead of challenge mode to get a feel for the game? I typically try to avoid walkthroughs on my first several runs, but now even after looking at the guides, I'm still struggling, haha.
it could be a relationships thing or an approval thing! also every skill greater than 75 will give you bonus points, same with every knowledge over 50 (or 25, in the case of secrets)
as for relationships i think you need high friendship + respect + romance with as many people as possible + little to no rivalry + high kingdom faction approval - my recommendation is to host events both weeks and generally go on as many dates as your skills/personality will let you pass
Guys is there an epilogue cg and bonus stat for Jasper?
I'm playing as a moral widow and did everything the guide say to get perfect endings for all the kingdoms but somehow i can only get the perfect ending for Jiyel and Arland as well as golden ending for Revaire. High skills and maximum approval from all the kingdoms without missing anything (in the guide) yet the only thing i get is the proposal to stay with him and marry but only friends at the epilogues.
Is my forth time trying and nothing, not even using the remaining power. The only thing that i didn't get was Lisle and Zarad secret (for blackmail) and i'm playing on Story Mode.
Anyone have any idea what im doing wrong? I followed everything on the community guide and Katyia Legacy guide (meaning even Aly advices).
If you’re able to marry Jasper but didn’t get his epilogue cg, then you’re missing legendary endings from some countries.
Are you sure you have fulfilled all the conditions listed in the quickstart section in the big spreadsheet guide? If the answer is yes, then you probably need to choose more choices that fits your best stats. Can’t really see what is missing with your play through without knowing your stats and choices made in detail, though as a widow who managed golden ending for Revaire you should have all the stats to succeed.
to get jasper's bonus stats and epilogue, you need to get Katya's legendary ending, ,meaning you have to restore peace in Revaire without a civil war and all NATIONS must have the best peace agreements.
The fact that you only get the perfect ending only for Jiyel and Skalt, tells me that for the other negotiations that you lack either positive relationships with the others involved or you don't have the right amount of skills.
Choosing the right answers/ options during negotiations is the right step, but depending on the skill, which backs up whatever claim you choose your MC to say, it might backfire.
You didn't mention that you gained Avalie as an ally. You need her to get Katya's legendary ending. Without her you can't.
The Blackmailing is not relevant, you don't need to know Lisle or Zarad's secrets to get the legendary ending. You need to know Avalie's secret though, so that you are able to become her ally.
Different person here. I got the legendary endings for Arland/Jiyel, Corval/Hise, and Skalt/Wellin. However, I think for Revaire I got the "good" ending, not the legendary one. Am I missing something?
Hi, sorry to bother anyone but I am having some trouble triggering the option to enter a political marriage while romancing a different character like Ria. I've done the three events in week 4/5 and I'm topped out on friendship with, say, Lisle and Penelope for instance... but nothing ever happens. I feel like I must be stupid or something since it doesn't seem like anyone else has asked about it. I would just appreciate some direction please.
Another beautiful person D: thank you so much. Imma get them bonuses and then I will still have several other playthroughs because I love this game so much. Thank you, your help really means a lot to me, I've been feeling so frustrated I even stopped playing for a couple hours before going back and just playing again because I can't stay away lol
btw I had a question. What is the requirement of getting a personal date in week 3? In my first playthrough of the proper game I couldn't get one for Gisette for some reason even though she seemed overall interested in me. I remember to be able to do that in the demo but not here. My relationship stats are almost equal parts friendship, romance and respect, is that the reason? Or was I wrong to also seduce her brother (I figured the way for us to be together would be a political marriage to her brother and looking at the guide I was correct).
Now at my last interview with the MM, there was no romance nor political marriage option so I dropped this playthrough for now to start over. Or is there still a chance for romance at this stage of the game?
so, there are two different kinds of routes in this game - full routes and secret routes (with some weird ambiguous edge cases like jarrod and lisle). the full routes are generally with the kinds of people the matchmaker would approve of you pairing off with, and they get week three dates. gisette is a secret route, so she doesn't get one. if your relationship values are high enough when you're going to see the matchmaker for the last time at the end of week three, she'll interrupt you on your way there, send jasper away, and imply that she's interested in you. (if you go to the gazebo right after the horse incident in week two you'll have a scene with her there that comes with a relationship boost, a stat boost and a CG, which are necessary to get the values high enough, i think?)
i'd actually avoid pursuing jarrod if you're interested in gisette unless you have the stats to talk him down after rejecting him - just be evil and avoid him, and gisette will do the rest
also, your relationships with Everyone are reliant on how well you perform at events, including the self-hosted ones - everyone you invite gets a big boost of friendship, respect, and potentially romance, which is great for building romance with the secret routes!
Hey, know this is pretty late, but after doing NG+ and just doing the fun stat building, I got down and used guides and scrolled through a lot. I've very much used the ones listed here, but the coder in me just wanted to build something that did the things I just really wanted (plus itching to be "productive"). So I created an online site for simplifying the stat builder process so that the options are easy to see and how they affect stats instead of flipping back and forth through things. This only fixes my needs for the character builder section currently (and not the -15, -10 at the end, which I might add later on).