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you know the thing about "historians will say they were just really good friends"?  well queerness has been a thing for forever, however due to cultural biases, homosexual depictions were certainly erased, censored or sanatized over time, so as to not let inconvenient pieces of information to oppose the vigent propaganda.

it's true we may never know what the original pieces really were, and wether something used to be explicitly queer representation or just an unrelated coincidence. the thing is, even if it wasn't originally gay, due to the lack of representation growing up, many of us learned to extrapolate the narrative so we could find ourselves in a world that would otherwise deny our existence.

the devs most likely found that this gilgamesh tale was at the very least close enough. if it really was representative or not, doesn't really matter. minotaur hotel is a gay narrative and that's going to be the world view that is represented on it.

now of course, i can't speak for the devs interpretaion of it, but i wanted to share my perspective in that it's important to give fiction the grace of not having to always be an accurate historical depiction, and that political agendas definitely put a hand at rewriting cultures they don't approve of.

it's been years, but i think "the drop of blood" you have to explore the cave at the pond after having returned the pelt to the tapir god.

i completely forget what the other one is about. here's what says on mine

i mean, pretty sure you can find plenty of the usual suspects as categories on adult entertainment. maybe have him call you terms for cattle, so that you can be "equals", such as sire/dam, or calf/heifer.

he is like a river, ever slightly changing courses as the land reshapes to it's passage

it isn't. the route isn't about it. just the one and the other scene. besides, if you open the game to read it in that way is akin to being responsible for having someone else kill him, and say in your defense "i wasn't the one to pull the trigger". like, it's fiction, it's okay, just own it that you did read it.

there've been plenty. many have come to the comments to learn more about it, but refuse to go through it themselves. "i'd never do that to my boi" or something. but really, just go check it out. there's some nice lore drop you won't see in the main route, and MC doesn't have to be you. it's all fiction. the pov is from argos for most of it anyway. those 4 chapters are more about him than anyone else.

the bonus guest is only for the arts background, you pick one of the artifcats that decorate the hotel lobby. you may also find, while exploring the valley, the decoration corresponding to the guest you originally chose to boost his stats.

this extra guest makes the arts background possibly the best one currently, but the leader background will also feature another bonus guest pick later on.

no, the characters aren't dateable. this isn't like other vns where you choose routes based on who you want the mc to date. relationships may be affected and blossom based on your choices, such as between oscar and pedro, but it's still not a dating simulator.

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i'd prefer to have them reveal that, this whole time, mc was actually a reincarnation of someone like theseus. and make the scenes more of 3rd person perspective. you don't really see anyone comment that they don't like a porn video because they want the actor who is topping to be the one bottoming instead.

and this is why i very much dislike self insert characters. it's impossible to match the personality and preferences of whoever is reading. the first dissonant trait the protagonist presents will break the immersion that should have never been there to begin with. 

protagonists with a clear identity don't ever causes this kind of problem. even though asterion's appearance is customizable, no one ever complains about only having clothing options that don't suit the reader. it works because asterion is a well defined character, and the player can easily separate him from the self. 

i recommend you learn to dissociate from the character, and, more importantly, to not get hung up on positional roles. that's a really toxic aspect of the gay community we should banish from our culture.

maybe don't say whatever source when there's so many scam bots on the itch.io's comments sections

no. you are limited on who you can recruit. you only get one of khenbish, themba and wolf, and one more if you have arts background. in the future, only the leader background will be able to recruit both pedro and nikos. this game is very keen in making it impossible to do everything in one run. you will need multiple playthroughs to see everything

i recall there being wine spawns when a new master shows up. i imagine this could be a gift from dyonisius he sneaks in from time to time.

Have you tried pissing on it?

are you telling me there could have multiple entire cities and enviroments in the hotel's basement?

from what i recall, it was very bare and there was like a room you could walk around. 

chapter 20 has been cooking for so long. i'm very curious what y'all have planned for it. i remember the  gargantuan build 0.5 spanning 5 chapters, plus hotel managements, plus side characters introduction chapters, plus the hinterlands, plus the ruthless route. just how big is chapter 20 going to be?

gasp!!! you telling me i get to see asterion in captain nikko's glorious art style in game?

personally, i don't really mind if the art style must be entirely revamped for the sake of congruency. i've seen that happen before. i do, however, think that nanoff's legacy should remain somewhere in game. either as accessible rewards from fulfilling achievements or maybe a speedrunner route exclusive alternate art. it's supposed to be a joke route anyway, we could write off lacking pieces of art nanoff couldn't get to required for the rest of the game as saving frames or skips.

maybe not the best solution, but just to throw some ideas around. any approach to this is going to offer it's own set of challenges.

sad to see you go nanoff, but couldn't you find a better title for this? gave me a bit of a scare there. the survivability rate of these projects have always been shaky.

y'all can check it out by doing the ruthless route, you COWards

it's all 1s and 0s. kindly grow a spine, and either just bite the bullet or give up on it.

story telling isn't supposed to make you feel like "the good guy". it's supposed to allow people to experience and explore things in a safely manner, and sometimes it tackles on difficult topics, because doing that is what makes you grow as a person. there's no need to modify the route.

nah honey, you have to learn to dissociate. the master is not you, you are not the master. no matter how well they design a character to be a self insert, that's still not you. most people have more personality than a blank slate.

you only have to send him to the valley once. you don't actually take actions to hurt him

A) no you are not, a lot of the player base struggles with that.

B) that's not what that route is truly about.

C) it's well worth going through it, as you learn more things about the lore and one of the characters, and it's a shame that y'all can't stomach to just try it out.

i remember from watching noragami, that gods could do bad things but if humans were to do the exact same thing, the guilt would cause some kind of corruption or something like that. i thought it's an interesting perspective, that gods don't need to abide to the rules and they are not wrong if they don't. but gods require the worship of humans to be able to exist and have power. of course, this is all made up lore, but still an entertaining perspective to look at divinity and morality as a concept.

they are godly beings. our sense of morality doesn't apply to them.

i mean, it kinda does but also not really. it's like perceiving a 4D or 5D object. it's beyond our comprehension

not unless there's some way to account for the many many many variables

sounds like Ch. 20 is going to be a beast. i wonder how difficult it will be to find all the variations in the text.

that's just what happens when inheriting a business you do not qualify for the trade. but i can't blame the guy, jean marie should have known clement was mentally perturbed, and thus get someone else to pass the deed down.

sure thing, but i remember clement being the master of the hotel for only a week. that was big part of why it shut down all of a sudden. dude was already not right in the head before inheriting the deed

about the ichor thing. it's effectively poison, i just thought it was important to mention what it really is and what it could mean in the context of the lore.

but no, i don't think hermes could have done anything. remember that gods are sometimes influenced by recursion, like when he arrives at the hotel in the main route about to repeat the myth of when he killed argos to rescue io. that's not just him going senile, it's a magical hypnotic state. plus, yes, he went agains t the servants of the other gods, that's the point. he totally would go against athena if he could and wasn't magically bound by the rules of the realm, and the trial that sentenced asterion, with the intention of sentencing many others of poseidon's children. they managed to stop the whole thing with only asterion having to be punished for it. we don't have the last votes yet to know the full story, so there's still a bit of intel we do not yet have about what really happened.

as for the argos thing, it really wasn't the cause of the modern acts of violence against asterion because there weren't modern acts of violence against him. he was a slave and a servant but he wasn't punished by the masters anymore. the little disaster with clement was the only thing, probably caused by athena through some trickery. the only thing bad to happen to asterion in modern times was being locked up in that room we found him for 80 years, feeling miserable for what happened to all the guests of the hotel. remember that we can't ignore the core rules of the labyrinth. what hermes managed to do there was to mitigate damage, but the roles that the labyrinth forces to happen still have to be enacted. even now, as kindly as mc treats asterion, he still is a slave and a servant, not from anything that mc does to him, just from the magic of the realm.

good. sorry if that sounds mean, it just annoys me a bit that so many people are like "i would never hurt my moo", but still want to know what happens. that's not even what the route is about. learn to dissociate if you must, but please get through it. i promise the route is good to read, and is packed with extra lore you don't see in the main route as of yet.

and yet here you are, reading all about it. an they didn't even mention the important lore drops that makes it worth going through

a few things. the end you get isn't based of how any times you send asterion out. there's 2 choices in the ruthless route

so for example, in the choice of 2 options, one gives you endings A, B or C, depending on what you choose on the three options choice, and the other gives you ending D regardless of what you choose the triple choice.

the elixir isn't poison, it's ichor, the blood of immortals. it's toxic for humans, but harmless to gods.

and lastly, what makes you think hermes could do anything? the gods don't have free will the same way we do, plus they are bound by magic to not interfere in the hotel. else we'd be having open war right there. trust that greek gods do not care for familial bonds that much, they beef all the time.

again, there is no "all of them", it's just the tail end section that differs

you childish brainrotted. it's not a bunch of routes though, just 4 chapter protagonizing good boy nikos, and up to 4 outcomes depending on 2 choices you make in the route