Mechanically a good game and it's clearly a passion project from my research and the half-dozen hours I experimented with. But from a social and cultural standpoint, especially in this current landscape, the topics and said execution of said topics is problematic and counter-intuitive. Yes I know you have a disclaimer, but feel it's a cope-out, and I feel attacked and repulsed just by the idea of someone making a game for others also into said troubling interests to play with, cultivating many bad actors no doubt. This just isn't it and I got so many thoughts and emotions I want to put into words but I can't. I wish you well, but I'd urge you to reconsider that expressing things and topics like this, THIS WAY ESPECIALLY, is highly unsettling to non-binary, non-heterosexual identifying people and implore you to do better.
It being ten years old means there are so many variables to change that the game would be broken by the censorship you want implemented, destroying a decades worth of work. The game engine used is very hard to use in the manner it is used by the developers. Programming is not simple text editing, which you seem to be under the impression by your posts.
No, those are definitely not serious issues. Nobody's dieing from them, nobody's going into poverty from them, and nobody's, and they aren't in any way dangerous. Furthermore, everyone else is just as entitled to their opinion and right to voice those opinions are you are. Additionally, the games community has nothing to do with this, hell I haven't even played the game, the reason your getting downvoted is because your making yourself look stupid, and because believe it or not, nobody agrees with you.
i had a conversation with someone with same writing style on steam.
are you cloned there? or is it one person?
also it looks like he intends to show these conversations to someone else, they are structured in a way to point fingers. am i right? who are you showing this? some governmental censorious prick?
As a non-binary non-heterosexual person myself, you do not speak for me!
I enjoy this game because it is a fantasy happening in private spaces with consenting adults. I don't like some of the things in the game, such as the age-play and race-play, but this game is nowhere near a hate spewing ignorance machine.
If you don't like the content, then speak for only yourself, NOT FOR OTHERS!
Let me ask you this: in a time where nonbinary people at their most vulnerable, their rights trampled over, be actually honest with yourself and tell me if most in the LGBTQ+ space wouldn't find this games themes offensive? The author has practically tried to put in a "disclaimer" to say "OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME SHOULD BE KEPT IN FANTASY," which tells me they feel guilty their game is contributing to homophobia, transphobia, but are too porn-brained to realize it. Tell me how that makes sense, with all due respect.
Fantasy is fantasy, if you can not separate fiction from nonfiction you have serious personal issues. As said before do not like, do not play. Your views have lead to game censorship when unopposed in the past. Collective Shout a key example of a small group of individuals (from Australia) who are considered extremists who have damaged gaming recently.
Oh really, so you're not at all disgusted by the fact that many, MANY bigots and extremists use media like this to justify their views and pass unjust laws? And by the way, if the creator of this game, Aika, has to put such a disclaimer on said game, than it should stand to reason that it's because it's promoting hurtful, toxic ideology and that many people who believe in such, whether they get off on the game or not for hypocritical reasons but I digress, use this as justification and/or clearly CAN'T seperate reality from fiction. If people would just say that this game contributes to toxicity but it gets them hard and it's a shameful, guilty pleasure, than that I could atleast get. But this ain't it. To many on the outside, it makes people like us look like we WANT to be treated like this, like it's just a sexual kink to us and not because of our own identity. One wrong doesn't justify fetishizing our experience, and quite honestly how can YOU not feel shame for sexualing and fetishizing the experiences of people in the LGBTQT+ community? I think my stance is a normal, default stance in that respect.
The disclaimer by Aika is what makes it clear this is a fetish game so people will know it may contain content that is taking place fictionally they may not like so ANYONE that may take offence that continues playing, any and all offence is on the player.
I and others can keep what happens in a fictional setting in the fictional setting, apart from the real world. Your inability to separate what occurs in the game from the real world indicate something in your life is severely wrong. I talked to others about this game, those who had no clue it existed and are conservative, and their reactions to your posts are "That person is getting that worked up over something make believe and that they can just ignore?"
A very good question is this: If you get this worked up over this why are you on this website in the first place? Just leave since just being here disturbs you so much. Stop obsessing about the game and move on with your life. Touch grass, see a movie, go to a park, etc; move on from this.
If I saw some of the stuff in the game in real life I would be disturbed, but note I said in REAL life. What happens in the game is fiction, not real.
I can separate fiction form reality, what you're not getting is that many bigots can't. And I don't get how you can flat out deny any and all accusations that this game promotes hurtful stereotypes via fetishes or that their disclaimer can't be admission of guilt on their own conscience.
Key word: conservative. Bring it up to some progressives and see how well they'll take it. Are you apart of the LGBT+ space or atleast gender nonconforming? Forgot if you said if you were or not, but if not than you need to place yourself our shoes. And sorry to burst your bubble, but if you get turned on from something, a part of you DOES want to see it in real life: I have no faith many people into this, especially the right-wing bigots, WOULDN'T mind seeing a person they never met or interacted with get any of the treatment the MC might have to go through in the game, life ruination, reputation ruination, reenforcing sexist and misogynistic stereotypes, etc. That's just lust, and we should be able to question WHY people lust for certain things, and as I've said, as a progressive or trans friend of yours about this game and you'll get a different reaction.
And I simply left my opinion, polite and respectful opinion, simply not liking the game for obvious reasons and that while I wish they would change things, I don't expect them too and agree to disagree. Than people get hyper defensive because I presume it's their shameful fetish, which is sad, and feel bad for them. Plus, look at the latest comment regarding my post, you can CLEARLY see a bigot who responded. Or am I just being a "snowflake" again?
Bigot: a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. You are acting antagonistic towards everyone who doesn't seem so share your opinion.
there are far more important things to focus on. dont bother going around fetish spaces policing what folks can or cant enjoy, you're not going to make any kind of "progress". i implore you to spend your energy on stuff that will actually make a difference... speculating on the possible harm a piece of random fetish content could have doesnt exactly fall in that category.
this is genuinely just fetish stuff, and it isnt for everyone, no, but it doesnt mean its immediately harmful. people have fucked up fetishes. you cant stop that. im a bisexual transgender woman, and sure, yeah, i got some fucked up fetishes, but i wouldnt act on any of it if you paid me a million bucks to do so. this is a healthy way of expressing it, 'n honestly, this is a fairly tame!
But you admit it's fucked up and is offensive to the vast majority of LGBTQ+ people like myself? If so than at least we agree on that core point. And the thing is, just because YOU wouldn't act on it, doesn't mean from the outside, cis people or bigots won't get a bad impression from us. Like we're just a fetish. And this is FAR from tame. Ask any trans and/or nonbinary person outside of the fetish space and tell them about this game and the core demographic of said game and I bet you'd get answers you didn't expect.
And god forbid trans people like myself can find safe spaces when the real world is a steaming pile of dogturd for the vast majority of us. No, just because a select few nonbinary or trans people like this game doesn't make it alright or invalidate most others who see this and immediately cringe in disgust.
Going X fictional media is offensive it should not exist is a slippery slope that leads to LGBTQ being removed entirely, it has happened it will happen and it continues to happen. Look at collective shout for example they want to remove all instances of women and children from gaming entirely and the first step was to try to make it so all adult media gets removed which payment processors easily agreed to.
It does not matter what I identify as, though I doubt you will accept that as acceptable.
Payment processors are supposed to be just that: payment processors, not becoming a publisher as well. Not opposing this invasion of Steam means the payment processors will feel comfortable to intrude into other businesses, to decide what can or not be brought. That is censorship.
This quote from Martin Niemoller is very relevant: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
The payment processors want to control what is or is not brought, not fighting it will lead to catastrophe.
And agreed, I never said they SHOULD have control what is and isn't "acceptable." I'm talking on self-policing and self-reflection, never once have I said that was the way to go.
And actually yes, it DOES matter your identity, because if you're cis than you can't relate to the LGBTQT+ experience and mostly see us as fetish objects, I'd wager. Though bet that 'isn't a big deal' in your opinion.
You may dislike hearing this but your argument is very similar to that of Collective Shout. They argue that porn for straight men should not exist because they believe it's fuelling misogyny and encouraging the objectification of women, and you argue that TQ and presumably other games indulging in fantasies of sex transformation should not exist because you believe they are fuelling transphobia and the objectification of queer folk. We are not going to try and change your opinion or Collective Shout's opinion on any of this, but we think you'll find that within kink communities, yucking others' yums isn't very welcome, and the demographic of people consuming and enjoying such content may not actually be as straightforward as you thought it was, based on projecting your own personal tastes and assuming that everyone within your demographic would feel the same way. Furthermore, no, it's not rough porn creating sexists, it's not violent videogames creating thugs, and it's not TQ creating transphobes. They were already here, they're ironically more prevalent in countries where our content is banned, and in any case, studies have been unable to show a causal link. We're sorry that the world sucks right now, in fact more than sorry, we're angry, too, but we're not sorry that our game makes you feel uncomfortable. This is a sacred space of fetish and fantasy where anything between sane, enthusiastically consenting adults is not only permitted, but revered.
Than why have that disclaimer if you're not worried about the wrong crowd using your games to get their rocks off? And while I appreciate you trying to have solidarity with nonbinary folks like me, I think it's a stretch to say most WOULDN'T have a problem with your themes. Even if the game isn't creating problimatic people and attitudes, it's still beyond insensitive and insulting to the trans experience, mine included. And if you value consent so much, why do you lust after forced stuff? You saying a small part of you doesn't want that? So apologies if I don't buy your "we're sorry you feel that way" and quite frankly, it's a bit insulting. Isn't Aika nonbinary or the like? That's just sick in my opinion, we should all be in this together but your stance, let's be real here, is offputting to most non-cisgendered people, don't sugarcoat it. One last question: when people not in this community see mediums like this, and look at the kinds of people into these kinds of games, don't you think they're going to think that this is all just a sexual fetishes and that trans people are all just weirdos and are "asking to get degraded?" Fuel to the fire as they say? I eagerly await your response, if there is any.