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Surprised I haven't played this one yet, it's really good! Kind of like boob-jinga!

Because you responded to the original poster who asked a questioned. And never said I hated the game, if you paid attention instead of this knee-jerk reaction to anything or any opinion you disagree with, you can clearly see I specified I don't care for specific aspects of the game. 

So me inferencing how the rest of the community may feel is "being a authority" on my community? Grow up, please.

And once again, if I were a troll I wouldn't be in other communities comments sections, plus as a transwoman I was curious to see the more, seedy side of "trans games" and whatnot. 

So with all due respect, again, grow up, stop gaslighting me, stop bad faith arguments, and maybe be open to a fetish game you like MAYBE having potentially problimatic elements based on me and my close friends' and general experience of the community's feelings since that's what I based my viewpoint on? But keep on with the rude attitude, I could say it shows YOUR community's maturity. Plus, look at the ratio in this comment thread, it's clear many agree with me so your claim of me "falsely representing my community" is untrue. And "my group?" Othering I see, can gauge a lot by wording but unlike you I'll refraim from jumping to conclusions and gaslighting: are you trans yourself? Oh and by the way, "my group" rather you say the LGBTQT+, I know what you're trying to do with that wording.

Maybe look at my other posts in other communities, TOTALLY A TROLL- and no that's sarcasm, not a troll. Since you want to be passive aggressive and defensive, your reasoning makes YOU look like a neo-religious nutjob. And bravo, dodged the question. Don't need to prove my, "transness," to you. 

Because I don't want to ignore LGBTQT+ adjacent communities, and don't want to ignore other's responses to me. That and I'm defending myself because the reaction I got to my opinion is quite frankly immature and ridiculous. Obviously you're here for, "religious reasons." 

..... Titles are apart of fiction, I don't know how to explain that to you but here's what Google says when asked if "are titles apart of fiction?": "Yes, titles are a standard and important part of fiction writing. While the main body of a fiction work is an imaginative story, the title is a descriptive label that identifies the work and helps attract readers. "

It's because you're posting multi-paragraphs to a few couple comments of mine and evidently are seeing where I comment now. That's why I've not been responding to ALL of your response, so chill. I've become quite jaded to this community in general.

If you're cis than by all means, lecture onto a transperson like me for giving their clearly not wanted opinion. Completely ignored all my points, including the very original comment I made on here, all because you can't comprehend I have a different opinion of you. 

Also, nice deflection with those examples: actually said in another comment how all those didn't factor into the elements I find troublesome in the game. Toxic response as usual. 

"From your answers it seems to me like you're not OK with humiliation and degradation fetish content when LGBTQ+ people or women are in the submissive role." I wasn't trying to hint at that, not at all. Love is after all choosing to be vulnerable to people, so I couldn't disagree more with that sentiment. So you completely missed my point there.

"Also I noticed that you still use a lot of vague phrases like "how it's presented", "how you execute it" without saying what you mean. " I will literally provide you examples from the game itself, if you want me to get more specific, even though I felt I was pretty dang specific to begin with. 

And yes actually, much like how you didn't know about autogynephilic being used as a derogatory term for transwomen, maybe the fact my rights in multiple countries have been set back by cis guys and it's  being perpetuated by cis guys? Honestly I'm speechless at your statement, if your a cis guy you got almost no right to comment on that in my opinion.  God forbid we're critical of cis men, truly they have it bad. 

AKA, you can't actually address or discuss your viewpoint further. What was the whole point of even asking me than? Sad that your poor male feelings got hurt? Get out of here, disgusting. Now go make a Reddit AMA where you ask if you're the asshole for insinuating that cis guys have it as bad as LGBTQT+.

Meh, "stuck up" and "prude" really just mean non-degenerative, but all your main points otherwise are correct, right on the head. 

Once again, if I were a troll than wouldn't you think I'd be starting shit just to start shit? Quite frankly rediculious to assume I'm a dumb troll when I calmly laid out my opinions, nothing more, nothing less. Do better than that, it's sad. 

" lgbt is not a fetish the same way straight is not a fetish. It can be fetishizied of course, but it's usually not."

And I literally specificized it could be used as a fetish and looked upon as such. Gaslighting, misconstruing my argument. I actually don't want to get into it with you, but I'm not just going to be thrashed like that and not respond.

"Pretty neutral. Aika and co. can rename the project however they want, it's their project. They can also make whatever offshoots, alternative variations, forks, rewrites, etc. that they want, and call those whatever they want to."

Dodged the main point of my question: if you hate censorship so much than I'd assume you'd be against that too technically, right? You can do better than that. 

"Where in this chain of replies was that mentioned?" Just using that as an example, in case you weren't aware. So what IS your opinion on that, exactly?
"Why would it be? It's all fictional." Art imitates life is all I'm saying, can't blame people, MOST LGBTQT+ people, for having aversion to a game and community like this.
And you're on a kinky porn game- yes, it's 100% perverted. And don't be like that, you know what I mean by perverted: SEXUAL and MORAL perversion. inb4 you say "morality is subjective" you know dang well what I mean. 

"My boyfriend's name isn't Aika."
At least you're not a straight cis guy, thankfully. 

As much as your way of speaking pisses me off, "I would defend your right to do that with my dying breath. I think you underestimate just how strongly I feel about censorship of fictional media." that's admirable and respectable. 

"The communities I've surrounded myself with over the past few decades have focused on content far more controversial than this game, often involving content I cannot personally stomach and have to look away from every time it's mentioned." May I ask what kinds of communities, out of curiosity?

And apologies for the strong choice of words, you just came at me strong and I felt a strong worded response was necessary. 

"Thus, it is still always true that the fiction itself cannot be evil, but it IS true that sometimes people read fiction as analogous to real life, and sometimes the author intentionally encourages that via propaganda." How I interpret this game to be honest, even if I know the creator has the best intentions in mind. Plus, that's HIGHLY subjective, so you can easily make the argument this game is like that.

"But labeling all cis people as an enemy is also a form of evil, because the definition of an enemy is a person or group of people who you want to defeat, and said enemy is likely to take that to mean that you want them eliminated from existence.

Continuing to use rhetoric like that will cause cis people - who are the majority, mind you - to want to attack you more."
Well if the string of laws and attitude from the last year aren't evident enough, I consider cis people as the greatest enemies of the LGBTQT+ community, so yes, I do generally loathe cis people, especially men, and could care less about their problems and if anything hope their situation worsens so they know how they feel.

Out of curiosity, are you a transgendered or cis person?

"Under this scenario, your statement would be asserting that the purpose of the disclaimer is to prevent people bigoted against the LGBTQ+ community from using the game as ammunition against the LGBTQ+ community.

However, bigots will do whatever they can to run such smear campaigns, even claim that LGBTQ+ inclusive children's books that are 100% safe for work are literally porn being shown to children by force. That is not a hypothetical absurdist example either, that is something that has literally happened, with no exaggeration."

By that logic, than there would be no point to the disclaimers really if it doesn't actually stop bigots from playing the game, only for the creator, Aika, to not have a guilty conscious than. 

So, if hypothetically, I, a trans woman before you jump my throat but presume a cis straight male, wanted to make a game that involves offensive depictions of LGBTQT+ peoples getting raped, dehumanized, treated as sex toys, cultivating a audience around that YOU may fervently loathe, you support that?

Exactly. If you do, you're a degenerate. If you don't, than you're a hypocrite. And what the fuck is with these long rants in the texts to necro comment threads? Just say transphobia and homophobia turns you on and let everyone know what a degenerate you are.
Guess what? If we would've censored THOSE evil people than none of this would be happening. So no, censorship is a GREAT thing, as long as the LGBTQT+ friendly side is in power, because it's obvious cis people are enemies in general to my existence.

OK, so you'd hate him changing the name of the game to "Trnasformation Quest" to appeal to more LGTQT+ people? So if I can show you the plethora of people who find subjects related of this game to be offensive, they're still wrong? 

"remove the outright rape, dehumanization, etc.," Maybe it's fucked many are resorting to coping in this space to fucked shit like that? Do you have any idea how you sound to the NON-perverted/most LGBTQT community? Stop meat riding Aika.

Firstly, disagree with all your points. Secondly, you're acting like I was rude. Hey, guess what, I wasn't, merely giving my opinion and than people got defensive over it despite "wanting the community to feel inclusive." So no, don't buy it. And quite with YOUR passive-aggressive tone, if you're not trans IMO your opinion is less valid when it comes to these subjects. Do NOT mansplain it to me.

Do you disagree with any of my points in specific, instead of just attacking my character? Seems you lack comprehension of your own.

Apologies, Cadia, it's always good to talk about such things when it's relevant, but I'll respect your wishes for now. Would you like me to explain it a bit better?

But I'd probably respond to the original poster with the second part of your comment, so they get a notification, I was just responding to the original poster.  

Are you cis or trans? Because you seem to be hinting that trans people are equally oppressing cis people. Right or wrong? Plus look at the ratio, it's clear my sentiment is a popular one. Curious to hear your response.

How? It's clear we should put LGBTQT+ people before cis people, as a transwoman myself. Not sure what your experiences are or your identity, but trust me, anyway to exert power in a world that hates people like me by default, making a safe space for us, is really appreciated and wanted.

For the sake of not wasting your time with a diatribe you probably wouldn't care much for, what did her comment say, I presume the one in the detailed status window? I can help you give a estimation of the reason why once I've been told, just been a while since I've played this game and don't remember EVERY single detail.

Oh, my bad, presumed wrong! Apologies for that, Ignits!

As I said, different when reversed because so many play those games as you've read in the comments, the games main demographic is LGBT+, so if it's also a bit cis exclusionary, all the better. 

That didn't need to be said, they were asking a question, even if of the, strictly cis kind.

If recent events haven't awoken you to the fact many, most, cis people, especially cis guys, aren't allies, well, that's my reasoning: for too long they've enjoyed degrading us, so I more than support creators who thrash cis people, especially guys. I mean, name how many cis guys have either done nothing but laugh and watch as we're called slurs or actively partake in it.

Thank you for being considerate with the "forcefem" and "forcemasc" stuff in relation to detransitioning and the detransitioning kink. Means a lot.

What if I want to erase all men because most of them are pigs IRL? I know they're bad apples, but it would seriously help with people with trauma like me. Plus, not doing a feature that just allows more customization because a few people are unsavory reminds me when the teacher punishes the whole class because of one students' wrongdoings.

(1) Honestly everything else done elsewhere and/or in private doesn't bother me, ESPECIALLY in private. So no, while general BDSM isn't my thing, I understand its appeal and pros for the people who practice it. So really less so the content but rather how it's presented in this game, if they're trying to make the game more inclusive than how you execute it is important. If that answers it for you?

(2) No because men have, in my opinion, always been privileged so to me that's WHY less problematic if it's just a guy being treated like shit and doesn't extend to LGBTQT+ peoples or women. Because to me, the fact men are mostly in power excuses pretty much all those elements. Not to mention many of them are transphobic and to be honest, could care less how cis guys are presented, as long as, like I said, the treatment doesn't extend to LGBTQT+ and women. 

Thought I said what was in bad taste, and shemale, well, if you didn't know transwomen are either indifferent to that term or when they hate it, they're really, really, REALLY loud about their disdain for that word. If you didn't know, you now know. 

As for that word, honestly words have varying meaning so honestly if that word means "guy attracted so much to femininity he wants to look feminine" to you, than that's what you are. Just be aware with how you use that word. Plus, take academics' opinions with a grain of salt. Honestly, use whatever word you want to use: the LGBTQT+ space lends itself to identifying as whatever you want. Plus you could make the same argument, like they do in academics, about what "nonbinary" is so yeah, refer to yourself as whatever you want. 

If anything, that should just serve as a indicator of how much more you and people who criticize me has got to learn. 

Again, this is you admitting defeat because you can't prove that I said what you're claiming. Yes, it's pointless to talk with you I see.

Than, with all due respect, if they find it dehumanizing they need to stop using it all together if your theory has any weight to it, because to me. if you find a term offensive but just use it for clicks, you're perpetuating the 'problem.' And again, important to remember, that's YOUR experience, I've known dozens of transwomen, recently too, that have no qualms about the usage of shemale or futa.

All that being said, as a transgirl myself, my default is transwoman, and as a trans persons myself, I appreciate your perspective, even if I don't wholly agree with it. 

Where the fuck did I say I wanted that? Point it to me right now, or just shut up. Like seriously, never once said that, go back and reread what I said.

You've been lucky and yup, as long as they avoid those harmful kinks and fetishes I'm fine with it. And for cis guys doing it, sadly I don't got much hope for them, being cis guys and all, but when it's self-proclaimed transmen/"transmen" it's just, mindboggling to me.

Agreed, at the end of the day as long as we exclude those harmful and messed-up kinks and interests, more than fine by me. Oh and thought you forgot about me: hope you had a good Thanksgiving!

Also, "coem."

That all makes sense, and yeah would agree it's the lowest priority for you. So by trans identity not existing, that basically means, in layman's terms, that a transgirl is either called just a girl or dickgirl, likewise for trans guys? That makes sense, quite like it to be honest.

Fair enough, just keep in mind that it's YOUR specific subset of the community that finds that term offensive, and others have different opinions, the majority like you said, but I love the game and the vibes its going for, just don't want it to devolve into a "I'm banning anyone who uses this term even if it's not referring to IRL people because I don't like it!" because I really appreciate how you and other moderators care about the project.

Edit: Ok wow, take it all you hate the cool and lovely trans and nonbinary people, who I've seen HUNDREDS of, identify with those terms too, by extentsion? Got you. Maybe intention and respect is the real issue, folks, as words can have MANY different meanings to MANY different people. 

Yes, thought that was obvious: ftm, transmen, transmasc. And more specifically a smallish but noticeable subset of that community if you want me to be more specific.  

Oh really? Huh, much more receptive of a response than last time, a pleasant surprise.

I'm sorry but this is the first term I've heard of a "intersex community" finding futa to be a outright slur, as much as a detest bigots, your argument is flawed in the first place, and I'd advise you to not speak on everyone in a community like they're a monolith as to me, that's offensive to consider nonbinary LGBT+ people like myself to be uniformed in opinion. 

Meh, be careful with the whole FtM rabbit hole, that community is often intertwined with misgendering and detransitioning kink, which as a transwoman never ceases to disgust and unnerve me. Of course not all of them are like that or most, but the problematic kink culture is there if you know what I'm talking about.

Meh, to people who have a problem with matriarchy, well sucks-to-suck haha. Only answer to patriarchy is matriarchy to be honest, but besides the point. And honestly, bringing up AGAB/ASAB repeatedly can lead to interesting situations and development, but depends on the tone and how they write it.

I've said it before elsewhere, but my main hicup with including FtM stuff is the whole association with that identity with communities into stuff like "misgendering" and the "detransitioning" kink. I'm a MtF individual myself, just HATE how FtM is kinda closely linked to those problematic and questionable interests. If you're confused ask me to elaborate, or ask any questions in general, happy to provide answers.