Post by redonihunter in why people basicly dont make chinese translation?

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Playing the racism card is cheap.

You do know that Itch is blocked in China? Why would hobby developers try to cater to a market that actively blocks them?

Look at these games: https://itch.io/games/lang-zh_Hant https://itch.io/games/lang-zh_Hans

Do a sample of them. Some statistics. Look at which translations those games actually have. And try to find out, why those games do have a chinese translation.

My guess is, that most of those have one of those things:

Being professional and big enough. Like being on Steam, having budget and so on.

Someone in the team knows the language or at least knows enough to handle a translation or a machine translation.

A volunteer fan.

A very bad machine translation.

I have seen many games on Itch, where the developer would accept translations made by other people. So go figure out, why a chinese translation might be missing on those games.

I also noticed an interesting point: some games are willing to do localization translation for dozens of small languages, but still unwilling to do localization translation for Chinese

If that is so, should you not look at those games and try to find out, why exactly they are unwilling to do a chinese version of the game?

The plausible reason for unwillingness, it costs money and it will most likely not give money back. As has been stated here, people that do want a chinese translation are picky. They want a good translation.

You could also try to reverse your logic. On those chinese gaming sites, how many non chinese speakers are visting, and are those games on that site translated for them by the developers?

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Maxy6 days ago

1.Itch.io BAN chinese IP, not China ban Itch.io

2.We even have some translation community for eng games, but these games' developers never reply them

3.If the majority of people in a community are believing in false Chinese news, and even the administrators believe that China is inherently so bad, then I don't think there's anything wrong with what I'm saying. If you think I'm just saying these things here, you can go to the central area of the Ith server to see how the administrators and community members discriminate against Chinese people and spread false news to attack Chinese people

So, YES, Itch.io ban Chinese IP cuz Itch.io hate it, and "Why would hobby developers try to cater to a market that actively blocks them?", cuz u never tried to find it out, u just stand here and said "Itch is blocked in China" things not true, let me tell u, any eng guys who actually wanna make chinese language have already made it, cuz there is no obstacles and no difficulties, u can just now immediately go to QQ and sign in and immediately found a guy who wanna be ur translator, and immediately get in one of chinese platform to sell ur game or even just go to steam and open it to China area, some one will find u to be ur translator. I hope u can firstly search these things clearly then talk, not just say some unclearly or fake things

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Eldwood6 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

1.Itch.io BAN chinese IP, not China ban Itch.io

From the perspective of game developers here, it doesn’t matter who is blocking who. All that matters is if Chinese people can see the games. Why would you anybody put Chinese-language games on a site that blocks Chinese gamers?

That said, I seriously doubt that Itch bans Chinese IPs, but I doubt even more that China doesn’t ban Itch. Because Itch is full of things that the Chinese government finds offensive. Heck, it’s full of things I find offensive. There may even be some overlap! If China doesn’t ban Itch, that’s probably a matter of oversight, not of policy.

(For the record: I would love to add Chinese translations to my games, but my Chinese isn’t nearly good enough to make the translation myself, and I can’t really afford to hire a good translator, plus an independent editor to verify the translation, at the moment.)

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Maxy6 days ago

1.China only ban the websites with serious potential to affect domestic security, such as overseas mobilization or collective crime, Itch.io didnt in the list cuz it just the people who in it and who manage it hate China and only just scold but not actions

2.You people are always like this. When there are biased or fundamentally incorrect lies, I just expose them, and you add that it's not important at all. But if I don't expose these lies, you will assume that what you're saying is right

3.Yes, Chinese can see Itch.io if people wanna see, Itch.io ban Chinese IP, but people can still access it by vpn, and anyone can just find a vpn to access ezly, so Yes, puting chinese language games are meaningful

4.You can try AI firstly maybe, AI can at least translate some memes, but only recommand AIs trained with many chinese datas, deepseek or kimi or DouBao, and just like wut i said before, u can ezly find a chinese if u want, go to QQ, go to BiliBili, get in a chinese server and promote your games, it is just like how u did it on Itch.io, just diff websites, and there are already some guys made it by this way, if u go to BiliBili, u will find that there are already some people promoting their games even without chinese language yet, but still people play it. you shouldnt think thats 2 diff ways, they are the same way, find chinese in BiliBili just like find eng guys in Itch.io, and use QQ like Discord. Well, if you dont wanna use both of them, u can only try to find them in Discord, and there are also many chinese use Discord, u can actually find one if u want

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redonihunter6 days ago

1. There are sites that you can use to check if a site is banned in China. If you try this with the domain itch.io, you will get the result, that itch.io is not accessible.

Who blocks who, and how and why, is not known to me. But the last site I checked said, that the resolved dns entries were the wrong IP adresses and this is a thing that would be done from inside China. Itch would just show a 403 or some error code and only block the access at the very last step.

Also, Itch is a "passive site". They do not need to block anyone. It is in the tos. https://itch.io/docs/legal/terms#14-governing-lawjurisdiction

2. That would depend on the situation and the game.

What I forgot to mention, this thing with the translations goes for all languages. Not only Chinese. You either speak the language yourself, or are at least familiar enough to do it with a machine, or you have fans doing the work for you. No developer will just put out language versions for all the languages, just because all those languages exist. And especially if they cannot expect to get any return of investment.

Did you ever offer to translate a game into Chinese for free and were rejected? Was it a paid game or a hobby game? Were reasons given for the rejection? Was it a game that was fully developed or still in development? Because providing a translation for a not finished game is a huge investement of ongoing effort. Every change has to be propagated into all the translations.

3. I am not an eng guy. I just talk eng on the Internet. As will most people that can surf the net and do so. And I play games in English, because translations are crappy most of the time.

u just stand here and said "Itch is blocked in China" things not true

Try it yourself, before you call people liar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China#Externa...

I tried all those 5 sites.

Blocked by DNS manipulation.

Blocked.

Error/Timeout

(Wanted a signup)

Blocked.

But I forgot, you backpadled to claim, that not China blocks Itch, but Itch blocks China.

4. Sadly you did not pick up on any of my suggestions

Tell me. Do those chinese gaming sites have french translations of their games? Or finnish? Do they? And who made those translations?

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Maxy6 days ago

1. China's network is not operated by just one organization. Some organizations themselves do not have good support for external regions, but people can usually successfully access it during off peak hours

2. I have tried, and I can tell you that I have indeed encountered developers who are unwilling to do translation due to discrimination. In fact, I will not discuss with you specifically what kind of discrimination it is, because I am well aware that you are likely the same type of person. We do not need to tear apart our skin, you can maintain your discriminatory part. I know I cannot convey the truth to your mind

3. I haven't changed my mind. My point of view has always been that Ith.io actively banned Chinese IPs, and Chinese network organizations themselves will regularly maintain and update them. Before 2024, people could browse Ith.io freely. Now, Ith.io has actively banned many Chinese IPs, which makes it impossible for people who can access them normally. Even my two Chinese IPs that can be accessed have been banned by Ith.io. Unfortunately, you would rather believe the website's testing than the real things that happen to real people. What reason do I have to tell you a lie? Don't tell me, I know why you think that way

4. Yes, they do. Once a language wants to be presented to the public, they will do these translations, and almost no foreigners are willing to help. Everyone uses AI to help with translation because foreigners never come here. There is another problem here: if you want to say that there are few localized languages for Chinese games, but people mostly use AI to solve them, why do Ith.io's languages rarely include Chinese? They would rather be empty than use AI to do it? On the other hand, when these types of games want to do localization translation, they basically do not consider Chinese. Whether someone wants to help or uses AI to do it in advance, only those games that have decided to add Chinese from the beginning will continue to update and those who are willing to help will also accept it. This is the difference I mentioned. I also try to help others with localization, but when they hear that the language I want to add is Chinese, they will directly reject me. But if it is Korean or Japanese from the same Asian region, they will agree to add it. You don't need to use big principles to try to cover up such problems. There are already some well-known games that are unwilling to do Chinese translation due to discrimination. I know very well why a certain game doesn't do Chinese translation. You think I want to attack all games, but in fact, I am just talking about games that are biased and deliberately not done. And I did mention the fact that there is no difficulty in doing Chinese. You can easily find real people to help you calibrate, and you can also use AI to complete basic work. Since you think this is the same as other languages, their difficulty should also be the same

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redonihunter5 days ago

China's network is not operated by just one organization. Some organizations themselves do not have good support for external regions, but people can usually successfully access it during off peak hours

Congratulations. You just found out, that some sites are "blocked" by making them unattractive because of bad connectivity.

But itch is blocked by dns poisoning.

The dns query result currently points to twitter and that is blocked in China. A second try a few minute later pointed to facebook. Which is also blocked.

Do a traceroute to Itch from your chinese ip. Or even a ping. It will show you the resolved ip. Itch has 104.26.8.198.

Do a whois of the ip you got. I got facebook just now. https://viewdns.info/chinesefirewall/?domain=itch.io https://www.whois.com/whois/31.13.69.169

who are unwilling to do translation due to discrimination

Do not mistake a boycott with discrimination.

And do not mistake a negative roi calculation with discrimination.

And I did mention the fact that there is no difficulty in doing Chinese.

That is not a fact. And you were disputed on that by somone doing this professionally. Also, you agreed with that person. i think yes, localization translation is a hard work .

You can't claim that it is hard work, but also claim that there is no difficulty.

I know I cannot convey the truth to your mind

The word you meant is propaganda. You are inside your bubble the same way a flatearther is inside a bubble. And you exhibit some similar characteristics.

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Maxy6 days ago

just let u know, there are already so many eng guys get in chinese website or communities and get so support quickly, truth is if u wanna make it, nobody can stop u, if just becuz itch.io block China so u dont make it, thats not China's problem, it didnt make anything with u, u just follow the step of Itch.io and believe wut they said "China ban Itch.io, so that's China's problem"

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