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JUNJI ITO PINBALL

A place to discuss the fabled pinball machine · By Alfred Valley

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A topic by Hendrik ten Napel created 59 days ago Views: 624 Replies: 31
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There's one detail in the gozooze reddit post that keeps bugging me. Both they and their friend got to try out a VR prototype and I wonder if that experience lasted way longer than gozooze thinks. What if the Junji Ito pinball machine was a virtual reality, never a physical reality? I know there's people posting evidence, but that's easily doctored. The machine was at the very least never registered. I wonder (without much joy, I might add! I want this to be true as much as the rest of you! maybe even more!) if it wasn't all a digital dream. (Which would be it's own kind of enigma, of course.)

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There has been VR since at least 1985, so it's definitely possible that the technology was already more advanced whenever gozooze's visit happened. You know, like color TV being invented at about the same time as black and white.

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Sega was toying with VR as early as 1991. This headset never made it to market, but it was clearly something they were interested in for a long time. The problem here, I think, is in figuring out what happened in that decade in between. I could see Ito going for something more immersive and groundbreaking (especially for the time) to launch a new initiative of Sega's - but then again, they could have just done it as an internal project without Ito involved at all if they never expected it to see the light of day (which it sounds like it shouldn't have given how some of the folks responses here who claim to have played it). At the time, the tech would have been bad enough that it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect headaches, nausea, even possible neurological things like flashing lights that we have a lot more safeguards for today.

It's definitely throwing me for a loop that there seems to be this physical and VR duality going on. It could also be a sort of proto-AR (augmented reality) where it displayed visuals on top of a physical cabinet (which sounds awesome and trippy as hell for Ito stuff).

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I think it might not be VR but one of those video pinball games. The ones that you could make your own machines. 

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It could be both, right? 

There are  people using the Dreamcast for VR now, maybe that was a feature Sega was planning on launching back in the days, then never had time to develop  when they crashed

https://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2016/09/dreamcast-vr-roundup.html

And Dreamcast had pinball games. Take Pro Pinball Trilogy, for example, Apparently distributed only in Europe. I wonder if this could have been a prototype for a  Japan only release, that would explain the Junji Ito theme. 

All this It doesn't  mean that they didn't put it in a pinball cabinet like the one in the photos. I'm thinking of the custom Death Crimson Cabinet,

https://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bu9t-sm/crimson0.html  

people love a weird cabinet!

It died with SEGA, of course! And so the VR, the experience, wasn't tied to the machine but to whatever software they pumped through the screen.

Also: jesus, that's a pinball machine? If that exists, the ito cabinet starts to look tame in comparison!

From what I understand, it's a light gun for a videogame. But yes, it's the size of a pinball machine :)

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“too realistic” 🤔 realistic enough to appear like a real physical pinball machine?

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It’s unclear if the friend in gozooze reddit post was given the discontinued sega VR prototype or the separate Virtuality brand VR tech used in the Joyopolis VR1 ride.

Searching for more information on Virtuality I couldn’t find much, just the usual 90s style marketing photos.

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You' re kidding, right?! Why is there a huge spiral in that last one...?

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Looks like she's sucking it up with the controller - or letting it out. I know that imagine is probably just for promo's sake, but it's probably eluding to some actual gameplay.

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OK, WTF!!! That is not the image I posted. It was colour with just fish. Like underwater, not that! I would have noticed the massive spiral.

I took it straight of the Virtuality VR1 wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR-1

Alfred did you edit that post I see 4 edits? Now I can’t even find the image in my downloads.

Also, what’s with her face… is she screaming?

That's so weird. She's got that skeleton mouth face going on in the original but the colors and spiral are definitely different. Can Alfred even edit our posts? I didn't think it works that way.

Also, one of the posts in this thread is deleted now. Weird stuff going on in here today.

That youtube video of Shark Club went missing this morning too, something weird is definitely going on

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I haven't touched it!

Ok well someone better be fucking with me cause this is actually not funny.

And might I now present…the Sega Dreamcast logo: 

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Damn. The VR headset predates the Dreamcast by a few years, maybe they share some hardware or even this pinball game.

In the main thread we were talking about Joe Blackwell who seems to be the main designer on the manual cover (he's in the center at least) and he has a 2002 patent for some sort of interconnected pinball tournament system:


At a minimum, this implies a few machines even for a prototype. And the "network/tournament server" is super vague. I wonder if there were a few machines made around 2001 when the original poster claims to have seen it and the VR component was wrapped up in the network? More info here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US7070506B1/en?inventor=Joe+Blackwell 

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Some kind of Junji Ito Sega connection from 1999.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116888822498

OK so we basically know he did art for Sega that's huge! Also iirc Sega sold a lot of stuff off to Stern?

100% both art and technology seem to have went toward Stern

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Check this out - a brief interview excerpt from 2019 where Ito expresses VR as really his only interest in video games (cus controllers remove you too much from the experience). He has an idea about a VR game that strangles you as you fail: https://bloody-disgusting.com/the-further/3566298/horror-manga-master-junji-ito-...

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Wow that feels like something

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this short has 7 views but like https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7ZDRRg9uJUw

wild, do you think it's the same place as this? https://www.incubasestudio.com/junji-ito-horror-house-2/

Hard to tell if it's even an official Ito project

found a really short video of someone filming the lens of this experience. notice what the objects look like?

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Thanks Elvana, sure look like pinballs to me!

Hmm, found this. Hard to tell if it's the same thing as the video or the incubase studio thing:
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/short-reads/article/2057897/manga-h...

Junji Ito’s exhibition will include augmented reality technology.

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Universal Research Laboratories, which Stern acquired back in the 70s, was dumping a lot of money into R&D before they went bankrupt. It's possible they'd been developing basic VR systems a few years ahead of the curve- Stern was in arcade games until '83, so it's also possible they took some old parts and collaborated with other companies to create a basic VR prototype.

Pinball would have been good, honestly- physical feedback you can overlay with graphics, and each sensor would be tied to a specific location, so you could rely on the physicality of the system to provide feedback to the user's headset.

Plus it's mostly stationary. You walk someone over to the table and then VR does the rest!

Exactly! That probably would help with the motion sickness common with VR, honestly. No need to make the player feel motion, just overlay it onto the pinball machine.

Maybe it was augmented reality instead of true VR?

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