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Hi,

Version 0.5.04 has fixed the text jumping issue I showed in the first picture. I re-tested it with the same manga chapter, and the text didn't jump this time. I also tried it with another manga and it worked fine there too. So far, it looks like that's solved.

Yep, unfortunately, the word recognition problem is still there in this version.

I did notice something interesting with the new version when it comes to games, though: automatic translation doesn't work if Comic mode is on. It won't translate the text. it just shows the original. If I try again, the selection box even disappears. In previous versions, automatic mode worked even with Comic mode turned on. This isn't a huge deal since I can just turn it off, and it works fine, but I figured you should know.

The good news is that with this new version, the text doesn't jump in games anymore either! I re-tested with those same two games, and for now, it seems like the jumping text issue is gone there too. Hopefully it stays that way, but we’ll see if it works with other games too :)

I also have one more observation. It's not a problem, but I thought I'd mention that when the app is running during a game and you use NVIDIA Freestyle/Nvidia filters, the app seems to slightly weaken the filters' effect. For example, if I need the Sharpen+ filter's Intensity at 15 for the right sharpness without the app running, I have to turn it up a lot more to get the same effect when the app is in use. At least that's what I've found with Wuthering Waves.

That's everything. Thanks for the new version! :)

Godnoken244 days ago

Heya norby,

That's great to hear! I hope it works for most cases. I'll add a user configurable value later in case this doesn't work at all in some scenarios.

You may be able to fix the word recognition now in the 0.5.05 version that I just released. It has a 'Confidence threshold' value you can change for any of the OCR engines. Setting it lower will allow more text to be captured (but can increase the 'error' rate).
If it still doesn't work even if you lower the value, then you'll have to wait for the 0.5.06 version which will have more user-configurable values relevant to OCR.

Thank you very much for the notice on the Comic mode bug. I had not encountered it before, and it is completely breaking that mode whenever anything is moving in the background.. As far as I know, I have now fixed it completely in the 0.5.05 version. Please let me know if it keeps happening!

Thank you for the heads up on the filters - I think I know the cause of this issue, but I am not certain that I know of any way to solve it.. If it is what I think it is, this only occurs in Desktop/Attached mode, and not the Internal mode, correct?

Cheers again for all this feedback! :)

norby777244 days ago

Hey,

Unfortunately, it's still not working for me. I tried setting the Confidence threshold to a low value, but nothing changed. I guess I'll just have to wait for the new version.

Yep, now it's totally working. Automatic translation is functioning perfectly even with Comic mode turned on :)

Yeah, I used it in Attached mode. It doesn't work in Internal mode. It just gets stuck at "Verifying launch".

Godnoken244 days ago (1 edit)

Alright, no worries! I just uploaded 0.5.06 for you. It adds 'Box threshold' and 'Text threshold' values for you to configure. Try lowering the Box Threshold number and see if that makes the text get picked up! The settings will be found at the bottom of the OCR tab.

Yay! Nice one. Progress.

Ah, okay, just a few specific games I assume? Afaik most games you have mentioned do not use any of the normal graphics APIs, thus Attached is the only one that'd work (or Desktop..)

norby777243 days ago

Unfortunately, it's still no good. I couldn't get it to work at all. I played around with a bunch of different settings, like lowering the Confidence and Box thresholds, trying both automatic and manual Model and Font Selection, and even switching to a different Screenshot Capture API and Text Removal Algorithm but nothing helped.

On that second picture, I forgot to mention another issue besides the word recognition problem: some bubbles were translated correctly, but you could still see the original text or word underneath. That's another bug.

Right now, I only use Nvidia filters with Wuthering Waves, but I'm guessing the same thing would happen in other games if I was using Attached mode.

Got it, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads-up. :)

Godnoken243 days ago

Dang, that's interesting.. Could you please send me a few screenshots of problematic Comic book scenes like the example you showed me? Much easier to figure out what's going on if I can do hands-on testing.

About the second bug, yes, unfortunately I am already aware of that one. It's important to fix and I will likely try to find a way to get it done within the next few days.

Thank you again 🙏🏼

norby777243 days ago (5 edits)

I went ahead and made a video of the whole process.

You can find the video here: "Stream Friendly". I couldn't upload it directly since it only allows a maximum of 3MB. I've also included some screenshots below to help explain what's happening.

Stream Friendly: Here are the bugs I spotted in the video:

1. Some bubbles are translated well. But sometimes the original text peeks out a little at the edges, or there's a small gray spot.

2. Similar to the first point, the text translates nicely and the sentence makes sense, but unfortunately, one or more original words pop up underneath the translated text, making it really hard to read. The original text peeks out at the edges here too.

3. There's a word recognition bug where it can't figure out some words, so it gives a nonsense translation and the original word or text is still visible. I wonder if the manga's font is the issue?

4. It's like the first, but the sentence doesn't make sense because it used the English word itself instead of its Hungarian equivalent.

It contains the letter "i," but essentially, it is the English word "mean."

5. The app can't properly translate text that's on background images inside the manga panel, outside of the bubbles.

6. In some places where there are two words one under another, short one-word sentences, it translates nonsensical sentences. To be more accurate, this was a really literal translation. Maybe because they're too short?

I first tried the Gemini API, but manga translation just didn't work. It gave me a '429 too many requests' error. So I used Azure AI for the translation instead because I didn't want to burn through my DeepL character count, even though it resets in a week. Despite that, I decided to redo the video with Deepl this time lol because I realized that even if DXGI doesn't work, I can record with WGC. So I made a video using that method too.

WGC: "Video link"

The translation in the video is flashing and flickering because of that yellow border, but you can still read it if you pause it. I'm not sure why it's doing that in the video, because everything looked completely normal on my screen while I was recording.

Bugs in the video: From what I could tell, the bugs are about the same as the ones with Stream Friendly, except for the issue with the original text peeking out at the edges that wasn't happening here. I also noticed a new bug here: Sometimes it doesn't translate the whole sentence, just shows a single word.

1. Some bubbles are translated well. But there's a small gray spot.

3. There's a word recognition bug where it can't figure out some words, so it gives a nonsense translation and the original word or text is still visible. I wonder if the manga's font is the issue?

4. It's like the first, but the sentence doesn't make sense because it used the English word itself instead of its Hungarian equivalent.

5. The app can't properly translate text that's on background images inside the manga panel, outside of the bubbles.

7. Sometimes it doesn't translate the whole sentence, just shows a single word.

Oh, I almost forgot, but I also gave MangaOCR a try. The Japanese-to-Hungarian translation with DeepL wasn't the best, but it was acceptable. At least with MangaOCR, everything looked pretty okay. The translation was really slow, though. I had to wait at least a minute for it to finish. I edited the video to cut out all those waiting periods. Since I was already making videos, I made a short one for this too, but only with WGC because it doesn't have the text poking out at the edges issue, though it did have the flashing. You can find that one here: "Link".

I did find one bug with MangaOCR: it doesn't work with a Custom API. When I switch to a Custom API and then try to select MangaOCR, the app just freezes. It works fine with all the other translation engines.

So that's all the feedback I have for now.

Godnoken243 days ago (3 edits)

Dude, thank you! I appreciate all this effort so much. It really is helping me a lot to narrow down bugs & you're showing me some I have not even encountered myself.

I'll respond in the same format as you've put it down;

1. I have not seen this before. It would seem like the Stream Friendly mode has alignment issues for some reason. Do you use really high windows scaling by any chance? I upped mine to my max (175%) but I still couldn't reproduce the bug, so I'm not sure what's happening here.. It could be that I've set up the screenshot window with the wrong sizes somehow.

2. This is a text removal bug. I'm going to try to fix this very soon.

3. Yes, the font might look easy to OCR, but the RapidOCR model is unfortunately really struggling with the separation of spaces here. I have just updated the model to the newest English model, it will be used by default in the next version. I also noticed that 'AH. GOTCHA.' failed to translate - if you use the classic DeepL model here, you will get the exact same result. So in that case, it is a DeepL model issue. The 'next-gen' model works just fine. For the next version, I have added an argument to the DeepL translation request that will prefer the next-gen models by default. This should improve translations by quite a margin for DeepL!

4. This would be some sort of OCR issue. Not entirely sure what's going wrong here. The second pic below here is misplaced I assume..?

5. In these specific images, the issue is angled text. It is not supported at all at the moment, not for OCR and not for rendering. It is an addition that requires quite a bit more thought than I initially had in mind.. so it may take a while before I introduce support for that.

6. This is again a DeepL model issue. It translates to 'MI VAN!?' with the next-gen model. Hopefully that's correct, and as stated above, the next-gen model will be used in the next version! :)

Yep, the 'Too many requests' error is a bit of a headache and something I need to figure out for other API's that are used through Custom API.

The reason it is flashing like that on your recording is because it is impossible to use the Automatic mode with WGC if I do not constantly hide/unhide it to a recording device (in this case, new screenshots!). That solution does not work at all for DXGI, that's why it is always hidden from recordings. Hence why I added the 'Stream Friendly' mode.

1. Yep, this is a text removal issue. I will be improving/adding new algos, and likely add some user-configurable values to fix edge cases.

2. ^ ditto

3. These are all OCR model issues. As stated above, the new English model will be included in the new version, however, it is not perfect and will also cause translation errors.

4. The first pick is the same as above. The second pic is also the same, but the font is specifically an issue here, the SO is picked up as 5O, 50, S0 instead of just alphabetical characters 'SO'.

5. Again, angled text.

6. Same as previous 6.

7. OCR issue. This specific example is massively improved with the new model. There is also a box detection issue here that I will expand upon below.

In these two examples, we have a box detection issue that happens sometimes. All independent text lines should be in their own box for best possible recognition. In these cases, we have some boxes that expand over several lines, which is very problematic.
I will try the specific English box detection model later to see if this isn't a problem with that model. If so, I will add it. The reason it is not already added is that the current model being used thus far has worked very well for all languages, and it would just take up unnecessary space.

MangaOCR is much slower than RapidOCR mainly due to the sheer size of the Manga model. It is not optimized for speed (but I did all I could to trim it down, without losing quality..). In the future, if I ever get enough money, I will create my own models that have a good balance of speed and quality for this app's purpose.

I have not been able to reproduce the last bug you mentioned.. Could you please make a short video of the process?

Fyi, if you weren't aware. When you do debugging like this - try to use the LanguageSwap hotkey so you can see if the OCR is recognising the text correctly or not. It helps a lot to figure out if it is an OCR or a translation issue.

Again, thank you very very much for all of this. You're a hero! :)

*Edit* Forgot to say - Use the CPU for MangaOCR. I think I should disable the GPU selection completely for this, because it is excruciatingly slow on my old 980 Ti.

*Edit 2* Again, forgot to say.. To temporarily fix the text removal issues, try zooming in! Should fix the problems (apart from the Stream Friendly one). You can hold CTRL + scroll up and down in the browser to zoom in/out.

*Edit 3* I tried the older model that is specifically made for English box detection. In this case it works really well, but I am not prepared to set it as default just yet. It may very well be so that it does a lot worse in other scenarios. You can download it from here. Just go to RapidOCR and then import it into the 'Detection' section and select it for use.

norby777243 days ago (1 edit)

Hi,

You're welcome :)

1. No, my Windows scaling is at 100%, but here's something interesting: if I start in Desktop mode with a 100-125-150-175 scaling and I make sure to exit and restart the mode with each change, the problem is still there. It doesn't matter what I start with, but if I start in Desktop mode with 100% and then switch the scaling to something like 125 while it's running, the issue is completely gone. At that point, I can set it to anything, even 175, and it works. I can even switch back to 100 and it's still fine.

2. Thanks :)

3. Okay, thank you for that. AH. GOTCHA: Yeah, this really is DeepL's fault.

4. I don't know either, but yeah, it's most likely an OCR issue. It looks like it just put "baaack" there instead of translating it, and the same thing happened with "mean," where it just added an extra "i." The funny thing is, I've tried translating it a few more times, and the results are inconsistent. Sometimes it works perfectly, and other times it doesn't. Just like the picture showed it struggling with "mean," now it's having trouble with the word "you". lol

5. Okay, no worries.

6. Thanks.

Good to know. Thanks for the information.

WGC:

1-2-3-4-5-6-7: Sounds good, I'll be looking forward to the solutions :)

Thanks for the examples and the explanation. That was pretty helpful, and I hope those issues get resolved in the future.

Understood, but it's not too bad. It's still really good and useful for now. "if I ever get enough money, I will create my own models that have a good balance of speed and quality for this app's purpose." - Let's hope that day comes! :)

Okay, here's the video: Video Link

I had no idea about that, thanks for letting me know. I'll try to remember for next time :)

MangaOCR was actually faster using the CPU! :)

Overall, I got the impression that maybe this older model gave me a slightly better result, though naturally, the bugs I mentioned before were still present. The first bug (the gray spot) and the second bug were the most common. On the bright side, the third bug luckily didn't show up at all, which is great! This one:

This was just a quick test, though.

That's all for today :)

Godnoken242 days ago

Hey!

1. Oh! That is super interesting. It does sound like the method I use to get your monitor size is the improper one (in some cases). I will look into this now, but obviously won't know if I have fixed it or not since it isn't an issue on my monitor..

3. Haha

4. Ah, yeah, just one incorrect letter could really throw machine learning translation models. This is where LLM models shine - they can usually distinguish which word it is even if it is 'spelt' wrong.

Huh. That MangaOCR lock bug is so peculiar. Literally can not reproduce it myself. Some sort of infinite loop is happening, but I don't understand how or where.

Thanks again for testing so rapidly!

Godnoken243 days ago

0.5.07 will be out soon. I'll let you know what was improved tomorrow, but it should be a substantial difference! 'Strean friendly' will still be broken though.

norby777243 days ago

Thank you. I'll test it tomorrow if I don't forget. :)

norby777242 days ago (6 edits)

Hi,

I gave the newest version a try, using several different settings, and I made some videos with WGC, since you mentioned that Stream Friendly is still broken.

Here are the test results for the RapidOCR configurations:

I also ran a quick test with Tesseract OCR, but it was really bad.

There are still some bugs, but some of the combinations are already pretty good and enjoyable. As for the translation quality, whenever there's no bug in the bubble, the translation itself is totally fine, aside from a couple of minor DeepL mistakes.

Godnoken241 days ago

Hey man,

That's awesome! Looks like the en_PP_OCRv3 detection model + all these changes changed things from barely usable to almost flawless. There are still a tiny bit of spacing issues here and there with the new recognition model, and the detection model struggles to capture the lone "I" with this font, but other than that - it looks really really good. The text removal algorithm was improved a lot in 0.5.07. I've only had any issue with it when the font is extremely large (due to the text box detection not being good enough).

I'm very happy with these results. There's not a whole lot more adjusting I can do from this point, in this specific case. Pray for better open source models, maybe..

Thank you so much for your rigorous testing mate, it is good to see the application improving fast with good feedback! 🚀🚀

Godnoken241 days ago

I have a few questions about the Stream Friendly mode;

Do you have multiple monitors connected? If so, how many, and which one does GameTranslate run on?
Does the same bug happen in Attached mode?
Could you please go to General - Scroll Down - Click 'Crashdump folder' - Go one folder up to 'GameTranslate' - Click 'Data' folder - And at this point, run the app with Stream Friendly mode, select a very specific area (like one word), and see if the screenshot image in the 'Data' folder lines up perfectly with the area you selected.

Thanks! :)

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