Thanks for playing. Sorry about your Ctrl.

I guess the biggest incentive for future is going to be all the adult content I have yet to add to the game.

Given it is not your type of game, it was the right call to stop playing after you saw most of the things the game has to offer before the game gets more challenging. I think the game getting harder is one of the things that makes it engaging, but I know it is not for everyone.

I appreciate you trying out my game and leaving this comment.

Thanks for playing, and recording gameplay. I wanted to reply to you as soon as possible so I haven't watched the recordings yet, but they are going to be very useful. I am also going to upload an update today, so any feedback I got from you which I haven't addressed is going to be used in future.

>No invert mouse option, please add!

Will do. The options are still barebone, and I think you are the first person to ask for them, but I will definitely add them in near future.

>Higher max mouse sens

No problem, how much higher do you think I should go?

>Being able to hold jump to swim, maybe have it be slower than tapping.

Just to clarify, that's just for swimming up, right? For faster swimming upwards (and any direction) I wanted to nudge players to use dash. I will need to test how it would work.

>Hold crouch key option

A toggle option for crouch, right? I have been asked about that before. I still don't think it would work based on how I play, but I will need to add it even if I don't recommend it.

>The options reset after the tutorial, also on restart.

Yes, I still have no saving implemented.

>Is there a reason to why the interact button and LMB are separate?

LMB is for picking up and throwing crates, and E is for all interaction. That way you can carry a crate, and still interact without throwing it. Another reason is because there is a Seal "Ability: Siphon Crates", which gives crates an E interaction. I have more things planned, which is going to make separation between them clearer.

>The options menu being under Workshop is pretty odd, but I get why its like that.

I decided to change it in the next update. At first I wanted it to be a separate location with some dwarf NPC, and the player would "tinker" with options, which is why it was a workshop, but enough people commented on that for me to change my mind on it. Hopefully it is not going to break the "immersion".

>Levers could be more visible, they really blend into the environment.

There is a Seal "Ability: Show Links", which helps locating levers.

>It would be cool if there was an option to enable a small mana HUD around the crosshair - just a circle a three dots.

That's a cool suggestion. I don't know if it is not going to be too obstructive, especially if the player is going to have more than 3 max mana, but an option for that would be good. Thanks.

>I didn't really notice any bugs, except for the camera clipping through the ceiling a few times.

As far as I know that only happens on Windows build, which is very odd to me. I tried to fix it in new version, but I am not able to test it right now. I am happy to here you did not notice any other bugs.

>It could be a good idea to have the very first level(s) be extremely easy,

New version has much smaller, and easier Magic Mirror room for the first 3 days. I also changed the default Seals to give players even more time. I also plan on locking The Sealing Chamber in future for the first couple of days, and not give all 80 Seals right from the get go. I also have plans for some sort of day 0 after cutscene with maybe just 3 or 4 rooms in future.

>Some random clutter, doodads, etc on the ground, walls, and ceilings would really help navigation.

Yes, I plan on many decorations, some also randomized to help distinguishing rooms, which is why there are some odd empty spaces in some rooms.

>I really dislike tutorials and usually skip them, but I found it pretty alright here so good job.

I think you're the first. New version has even less text, and I am going to have some images in future.

>in the vid if you're wondering what the fuck I was doing at some point I was trying to bug it out but I couldn't.

I look forward to watching that.

>I think I remember you saying you didn't want to do it but I really wish the entire room menu was a 3d menu like a level. Would fit great with the theme and could be cool to be able to try out different "skills" and look at the different guests you can purchase etc. (Also hide some secrets around the place).

I actually had a walk-able hub area long time ago, but it was very slow to get from one thing to another, especially if I wanted to convey the scale of the whole place. My current plan what I am building towards is have all those locations as separate scenes with bottom bar acting as a quick travel. In future every location is going to have their NPCs, and buttons to rotate between different camera angles, so you are going to be able to "explore" by just pressing buttons.

As for trying out different skills, and general practising, I am going to have a training room in future.

Thanks for the video recordings. I am going to watch them after I upload the newest version.

Thanks for the stream. It's great feedback

Thanks for streaming man, I had great time

Thanks for playing. I am happy to hear some people are able to complete the objectives.

Yes making the sprint as a toggle option might be a good idea after all. I wouldn't recommend it with the way some more precision platforming works, but I guess I should give players that option.

>how much lust do u need to have to bone those goblins

I love the bone pun. No sex scenes are implemented in the game yet, but I plan for the game to have a slow progression with unlocking different adult activities, which get progressively lewder. It would take some time until you got to some really spicy content, but it wouldn't be with a skeleton of course (no dick).

Thank you

Thanks Tomo for commenting. You brought up many points I did not hear before, so I am going to have things to think about.

>Your Tooltip popup on the beginning is way too big. How much Text do you expect to write in there?

It's so in future I got space for images, I should probably change it until then.

>Starting a Tutorial begins with me in the Pause Screen? Is this intended?

It is, so players are aware they can change some settings in options, but maybe I should change that.

>Why can I sprint through the Air? Thats really weird. Apparently I can sprint while crouching aswell

It gives more speed options when it comes to more precise platforming when it's needed.

I may need to boost the overall crouch speed after all. Crouch is a toggle, because for things like crouching before jumping, or crouch landing it is just a quick tap (and with crouch landing you want to quickly tap it again before landing, so you don't stay in that state).

>Dashing seems to have a short stop at the end, getting rid of my current Momentum.

Dash is more of an impulse for short burst. It's mainly to be used in air, which still has some momentum. Keeping the whole momentum would make the dash more of a speedboost utility, and not a platforming move for changing directions, and quickly propelling yourself.

>I'd also expect to vault over the tiny ledge in the tutorial automatically

the first jump in the tutorial? It's about the same height as crates, so vaulting over them automatically when you get near them would be pretty bad.

>Jumping higher from crouching beforehand also feels odd. Not something I would expect in a speedrun Game.

It's an alternative to jump abilities that uses no mana, as long as your hands are free. If you e.g. was carrying a crate, then you would be forced to spend mana. That way if you play a manaless run, you would need to plan for "crate management" even more. The game is not just about running fast, but thinking fast on your feet, and adapting to different situations choosing the fastes/most efficient ways to progress.

>I'd expect when I start to crouch while running to slide me along the floor

I actually remember nodevcrab mentioning he would like to see a sliding mechanic. I never played a game with sliding, so I may need to look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.

>Mushrooms are Cute, the bouncing Sound is super cute.

>The Slime pool slurp sound is disturbing.

t-thanks.

>Lava bouncing you instead of being like a Slimepool is nice. Can act as a good source of Speed I guess.

but your gold gets deducted when you touch lava. (it can be used for speed in no gold runs)

>Reinforced Crates are odd. Why do you need another Crate Type?

It's a type of crate you can more, and place on e.g. lava, so you can advance safely. Reinforced Crates can also give more extra time in limited time runs.

>If you crouch on the Trap in the Tutorial, you don't jump very high, but are nearly stunlocked, so it took a bit to get out.

the way to progress thought that part without getting hit is crouching down by lava, jump , and dash above the trap to ledge grab

>If I'm picking up crates etc. with LMB, shouldn't I also be able to interact with LMB?

There are different abilities in the game that have different results that are not included in the tutorial. e.g "Ability: Siphon Crates" uses E to destroy crates, and gives much bigger rewards.

>Why are there 2 meters for the Jump? Isn't mana deduction enough already? Do you really need to limit it with Jump counter aswell?

Later in the game players will be able to have much more mana. Giving players e.g. 6 air jumps would be pretty broken.

>Your Mouse doesn't disappear ingame, causing it to hover over the rather big Crosshair. At least sometimes. No Idea what triggers this, but I'm assuming its got to do with me tabbing out frequently to write this.

I noticed that on some streams as well. I never happened to me so I am not sure if it is tabbing out, or if it's windows thing. Thank you for pointing it out.

>Why does the large Gap teleported turn me around?

I am not able to recreate that. That teleport should tp you with the rotation you were facing. Maybe you turned around as you were falling?

>You also don't need the air jump to get over the corner Pool, you can just angle yourself without.

Yes, it is possible to make that turn with a single dash.

>The Milk regeneration should be explained right after you get mana, so you can place it after every Tutorial section.

I can put it earlier, but I don't think I should have it before crates get introduced. I will need to think about that more.

>The Tutorial itself is way too long and textheavy anyway tho, so I think that should be reworked.

Yes, I think I will need to divide it into smaller sections. Making everything less textheavy is he hard part.

About jumps:

I wanted jumps to be fully separated from each other, acting more like guns in fps games, where you swap to a different gun for different situations.

The Multi Jump is supposed to be the most versatile of the three, giving you option to go higher, as well as quickly change directions you are moving in air.

The Power Jump is to have you sacrifice your speed, for large vertical boost. It requires more planning, and set up, but allows you to skip some vertical platforming altogether.

The Hover Jump is like the mix of the two in a way that it can boost you much higher, and landing with it is more precise, but it costs more Mana.

Jumps are not supposed t be combo'ed with each other, but with Dash. There are also Negative Seals (bad equipment) which stop you from changing them, or altering one jump ability, but not the others.

>Why do I have to click on the Heart to make a Guess for the Guest? Why not interact with the Guest itself? Is this just a placeholder?

There will be situations where there are multiple guests linked to one heart, as well as getting to the guest being much harder. I can also make it so that you can see the guest's face from one side of the wall, but you will need to get to the other side where the heart is to take your guess. So the hearts are not placeholder, but the NPCs.

>Your Dungeon Entrance is black when more then a couple of Meters away. Looks like a Bug.

It's a placeholder, same happens to traps which are also placeholders.

>Didn't bother with the actual Game after the Tutorial, I'm assuming apart from some new Rooms etc. its the same as last Time, I'm not good enough to beat it in Time anyway, and the Tutorial really sapped the Energy out of me.

Understandable, it's a really long tutorial when it is actually played by new people (If I don't do any reading, I finish it in under 2 minutes, so I thought it wouldn't take longer than 8 minutes to finish it normally). There are more Rooms, but there are also 80 Seals (equipment), which should make the game easier.

>Sorry.

No, no I thank you for taking your time to try out my game yet again, and give such solid criticism.

Hey osur! Thanks for coming back for another build.

As you might be aware from threads, and playing the game, the ui and providing information to player is not omething I am good at, so your feedback is very useful.

I never realized the dash sound might be too loud compared to the rest. I will need to adjust levels some more.

Welcome screen would be yet another window message, but I agree it is necessary. I would like to have cutscenes in future, but until then I will need to go with more text... expect to see that next DD.

>The first screen (I think it was the Reception one) has 8 slides to go through

Yeah, it's my latest change. I decided to go with those explanation messages you can go read once, and then close them instead of having a wall of text whenever you enter Reception. My idea was that breaking all the information into smaller chunks of text would be easier to digest.

As for Jumping straight to platforming, there is the tutorial stage in the title screen. I am probably going to ask players if they want to play the tutorial before throwing them in the Reception whenever they start a new game.

I don't know about hiding more information on the hub screen, especially making players click more buttons to get to more tabs. I cannot really hide the bottom tabs, because holding right mouse button over them shows what you need to unlock them, but maybe one more click to do that is not too bad.

I definitely want to keep Reception, Sealing Chamber, and Dungeon tabs visible at all times, because they are the core parts of preparing and entering the dungeon.

>A new player shouldn't really have access to seals (or any modifiers) if he hasn't even completed his first baby steps run

Maybe I could unlock it after first day. I want to reward player exploration (as in them opening the sealing chamber, and changing seals right away), but it is true maybe I shouldn't let them do that if they don't have a point of reference being the first dungeon day. In past DDs, I saw many people skipping The Sealing Chamber altogether, so I equipped some Seals for the start of the game just in case they ignore it. Do you think I should change the starting Seals if I were to lock that room for the first day?

>A minor thing would also be that Manage Rooms is perhaps useless? Clicking on a tab again should minimize the window anyway. I guess the only thing it does differently is that it allows you to inspect different rooms (backgrounds)

Yes, that button is just for hiding the window so in future the players will be able to look at backgrounds. I got plans for making unique hub rooms, and NPCs inside them e.g. the reception is going to have a receptionist, treasury a treasurer, and so on.

>some Dungeon layouts felt like traps sometimes.

Yes, it is actually mentioned in some Template descriptions that they might have dead ends. It is fully intentional for harder Templates like "Maze" Template, which on its own I consider the hardest in the game. As for just bigger rooms that you might end up traversing only to find out they lead nowhere (bigger rooms, which you generally cannot see doors right away  I call BSrooms) can be made easier with Seal "Ability: Door Sense", and Seal "Radar: Doors".

>Another thing to think about is how punishing falling off can be. The obvious one is the first heart mirror room, where if a player fucks up (which they might on their first heart room), they will fall down into the liquid (goo?), and will then slowly crawl through until they reach a vine to start back up.

Falling into Sticky Slime Pools is not so bad when you know where you can get out of them. The Magic Mirror room has vines at the front, and back, platform in the middle, and end. I can see how new players who don't know those things can get very punished when they fall into them. I think in future I might make more Magic Mirror rooms, so that it is not always that one giant room, and have easier one put on starting Templates.

>Maybe the player can start off slow, but build up some speed until they move at 50% movement speed, instead of the 20%

That doesn't too bad. I see many people having problems with sticky slime pools, so I might make some cheaper seals to make them easier.

Thanks for all the feedback osur. I am unfortunately not going to be able to try out your game, because my pc fried last week. I really look forward to seeing it streamed, because it looks like you added a lot to the game. I might play it at friend's place in couple of weeks.

Thank you for playing and great comment.

>Green sludge. I hate it.

I laughed out loud when I read that. If They cause too much problems, there is a Seal ("Drain Sticky Slimes") to turn them off, alternatively you can use Seal "Ability: Vertical Dash" to get out of them.

>Tiny mushrooms seem to have a slightly too small hitbox

I play on with high mouse sensitivity, so what I do is I jump for the direction the small mushrooms are turned towards, and rotate mid-air to face the direction they are going to bounce me while holding sprint. They take time to get used to. If their colliders were large you would keep climbing on top of them instead of landing on them. I included a camera offset option, so maybe it could help playing around with that. I leave it at default, but I am obviously used to the game.

The mana is actually not as important as you might think. Mana less runs are possible. Using mana is good for taking shortcuts, but at least what what I noticed from watching some people play, they use it up when they don't need to, and then don't have it when it would be helpful.

>As you get better at navigating the rooms the game becomes less about solid platforming and more about guessing the correct path.

The luck element to generation is always going to be there. There are some abilities like Radar and X-ray Seals that can help a bit. Familiarizing yourself with rooms, and figuring out best ways to progress through them makes platforming easier, which really is what I wanted to achieve given the whole game is about memorization, quick thinking, and adapting.

>Very few room tiles makes the macro-level navigating confusing and repetitive, though I imagine this will be fixed naturally over time as more tiles get made.

I got over 40 different rooms now, but some of them (like bigger rooms) are not used on smaller templates, so it feels like there is even less. You are right, I hope it is going to get even better with more rooms I add, making rooms less repetitive. I also plan on adding decorations in future which should help make rooms more unique.

>it feels too mandatory to play it as safe as possible with the timer.

I can tell you with as much experience as I got, the time because much less of an issue. Some seals are more important than others on different Templates.

I plan on having more meta progression in future, so the game is also going to get easier thanks to some stat ups, but I have yet to implement any of the needed systems (side objectives, skill tree).

I am happy to hear you enjoyed the overall gameplay loop. Thanks for playing all the feedback again.

Thank you for playing for so long and leaving this amazing comment.

>i then understood the seals system which allowed me to get a ton of extra time on the hearts, got used to the dung designs and used to just letting the character motion bounce on the boxes getting the time and mana bonus and suddenly the game was playable

It brings me great joy in knowing you actually started improving. I put a lot of effort into handcrafting rooms and placing crates, testing different scenarios, and angles. I want players to get better as they familiarize themselves with different rooms, and explore different strategies. Knowing you played for over two hours, and started understanding the game more makes me very happy. At first it might be getting to know different rooms, but later it's even recognizing templates, and coming up with best Seals for different needs.

>the thing that really makes navigation within the time limit possible is the doors. just speed through the doors that are opened towards you and its very likely you will be able to get out.

Yes, looking at doors makes backtracking easier, which is why there are Negative Seals which also close doors, make them open slower, or hide your vision.

>eventually the guests stopped spawning even though i had them unlocked so i'm not sure what happened there.

In current build there are only 4 different Heart Rooms with guest placeholders; 1 room with female goblin, and female eastern orc, 1 room with female goblin and female western orc, 1 room with female western kobold, and 1 room with female leporidae (bunny furry). Past day 3 rooms with goblins are not guaranteed to appear. My guess was you had a generation with e.g. only rooms requiring kobolds, but did not unlock kobolds, which is why there were no guests.

The idea is whenever you see a room with a Heart, but no guest you can interact with the heart to see its requirements so next time you are at the reception you will know what to unlock.

>i was also not able to unlock the treasury tab to get to 100 gold necessary for the elf so i got capped at 30 gold and unlocked some traits

holding right mouse click over the button shows the requirement for it (Mimic employee, costs 25 gold). There are no placeholders for elves in current build. You were capping at 30 because of your Negative Seals. The base Gold Cap is 150, but you gotta change your Seals.

>UI need some work

Yes, I agree. All the UI is placeholders, so eventually I am going to change them all, and yes the seal list will need to be changed to what you suggested.

>the slime is just too punishing for beginers. if you fall on it without mana, the run is over; i think it could be better balanced with the seal system, where you make it more punishing in exchange for PoP.

There is a Positive Seal, which makes them disappear ("Drain Sticky Slimes") if they cause too much trouble. There is also Negative Seals which makes them even worse ("Thirsty Sticky Slime Pools" Seal makes them steal Mana).

>it's gonna filter a lot of people with how difficult it is

Yes, I don't hide the game is hard. I expect people to fail, and get better at it. The mere fact it's a game with a timer is probably going to push many people away.

>my first few runs i just didnt go too deep

That's actually intended way to play. If you don't feel too confident, it is best to just collect coins, and make sure you return to the entrance, because penalties are punishing (There are Seals for them too).

>while learning i also had to restart the game a few times to get the smaller dungeon types.

There is also option before you start dungeon (Dungeon -> Dungeon Options -> Show Timer Options) to play with unlimited time (and only getting 10% gold) which can also help with practising. If you don't do Main Objectives, that option is always going to cost 0 Gold.

Thank you yet again for this really long feedback. The amount of time you put to really understand my game made me very happy.