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[Spoilers]The true identity of the old man

A topic by K9Chariot created Aug 26, 2021 Views: 1,235 Replies: 14
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Ever since Hermes' reveal in chapter 18, He has revealed that the old man is not the Clement that abandoned the hotel decades ago. Clement supposedly died prior to the events of the Prologue. The letter you receive a few chapters back also is hinted to be sent by the same old man that was assumed by the Player and Asterion to be "Clement." However in chapter 18, Hermes reveals that the one who sent the letter and the original holder of the deed is one of the Olympians out of the twelve that voted in Asterion's favor. When finding mementos in the valley we are able the find the transcripts for 8 of the Olympians that attended the trial, that being: Hades, Hestia, Hermes, Dionysus, Poseidon, and Hera according to her transcript. Out of those 6 Olympians we can rule out Hera and Hestia because it is a old man. We can also rule out Hermes and Hades since Hermes is already present as being young and Hades is still ruling Hades. That leaves two Olympians left being, Dionysus and Poseidon. Now back to the letter that was sent to the hotel and delivered by Hermes. The letter you receive is an apology letter with the initial signed as P; therefore, the old man that gives us the deed, and the original master as once a master dies it reverts to his next of kin or a still surviving master, is in fact the Olympian god of the sea, Poseidon. I wanted to discuss about this as soon as finished the build a second time and gather thoughts on how Poseidon still cares for a descendant of his prized bull. 

The ruthless route gives some answers

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... Recursion.

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I've been keeping shut all this time to see if anyone else noticed, but the old man in the first scene has always said things that ruled him out as being Clement. For example, that he had *brothers* when Jean-Marie was Clement's only sibling that we know of.

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It was all laid out right from the start!

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That makes sense... It's "The Old Man and the Sea" after all, not "The Old Man and the Wine."

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I think you are conflating these things. I agree that Poseidon was the person who sent the deed. However, I believe it is Zeus who is the person we see in the prologue, given Hermes mentioning that his father was basically losing  his  mind and both of them being described as jittery with coffee.

Zeus was in favor of Asterion's punishment. "Clement" chose MC thinking he'd help Asterion, so he must be someone against Asterion's punishment. And the letter from "Clement" was signed P.

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not necessarily, i also got the impression they were implying zeus since hermes was refering to him as old man, which is a common way someone may refer to their father. also, if you read the trial logs, you can see that zeus wasn't particulary eager to vote one way or the other but, with the pressure of bringing the trial to an end, he likely rushed his vote. there's the possibility that he came to regret his vote later and, extrapolating a bit, the results of the trial might have led to the downfall of the olympians. naturally this is all conjecture with no confirmation whatsoever, but it could work with the narrative available to us. the one thing that doesn't fit is that the letter was signed P.

my sentiments exactly

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Zeus was actually in Asterion's favor? I have only collected Hera's voting letter and it said Zeus was against the bull(I mean I have collected almost all of the voting letters, but still missing Zeus', Athena's and Apollo's). I've only done 3 reruns of the game and skipped through the Hinterlands' plot to save some time and focus on collecting informations from the main events at the hotel.

No, maybe I worded it poorly. Zeus was against Asterion, thus in favor of Asterion being punished

Ah okay, thank you for your clarification. 

Zeus definitely voted against Asterion, however he wasn't keen in voting either way, he didn't want to be the decider. It's also been thousands of years, and it's very possible he came to regret that decision at some point. Although that's not confirmed.

Interesting... I'll keep playing the game to collect his voting letter to see what he had to say. Thank you for the information.