Either you don't follow me enough to know my situation, or you have some misguided understanding of just what it takes to make these games. If you were saying that to a big, rich game development company, it might be understood. But in this platform, it's way off base. I don't ask for nor require anyone's respect. But at least know the floor you stand on before setting it on fire. From the beginning, I WANTED to make two games that had a connection. I did it this way on purpose. As I stated in quite a few of my devlogs (which I'm assuming you've never read), I also chose to do this to help stave off burnout on one story. One of the reasons so many devs start one of these games only to abandon them near the end is because they get burnt out working on the same story for (in some cases) several years. With that said, we're nearing the end of Serenity. So my time working on 2 games in tandem is coming to an end soon. To come here and use words like "retarded", "simping", "fellating", and expressing your "disrespect" to someone who is doing their best to make something good is counterproductive. Now, if I were trying to work on 4 games at one time, maybe I'd be off my rocker. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with working on two games as long as it works and keeps me focused; and not in a constant state of writer's block or loss of interest.
I know you've got your reasons for working on multiple games. They're your reasons and you're entitled to that. I just happen to disagree with those reasons being reasonable and acceptable, especially when even one chapter takes long enough, let alone working on something else in between. Your game may as well be abandoned - even if it technically isn't - given how long new chapter releases take. If you need to take a break, take a month off, that's reasonable. Working on another project isn't reasonable, especially to patrons.
I can understand why you've chosen to do as you have, but can you put yourself in the shoes of those that consume your work and see how your position may frustrate some? Would you continue to be engaged in a story that may take well over a year for a new chapter to be released? Do you think your massive delays are considered reasonable, not from your POV, but from the consumers POV? If you're to be honest, I doubt it.
You may not like certain feedback, but understand where it comes from. I've provided enough to answer that.
It isn't that I dislike your feedback. I disagree with it, yes. The fact that I work on two games has absolutely nothing to do with how long it has taken since my last release. I am well aware of how long it has been - I probably beat myself up over that fact more than you could. But it isn't because I work on two games. On that you're wrong. Before all the shitshow happened to me over the last year. i was releasing every 2 to 3 months. And once I am retired, I'll be able to get back to that. But maybe you don't even know that I've also been working a full time job at the same time and now I'm about to retire. You talk like I have no clue what's going on with my own followers and patrons.
I AM in the shoes of others who play these games. I began this as a major fan of quite a few. And have become close friends with many other devs. You sit here trying to explain this to me as if you think I have no idea what's going on. Man I've been doing this for about 5 years now. And now you're accusing me of not seeing things from your perspective? Consumers? You do realize that my games are free and that basically what little money I make at this is solely at the whim of whoever chooses to subscribe, donate, or whatever, right? And what... do you think I make 5 figures every month? Not hardly. I started doing this because I'm a creative person and I enjoy it. And now finally I'll get to do it without the full time job in the way. The income side of it started off as just a plus. So before you say anything about losing patrons or donations, you should know that when I retire, my income will be reduced by a THIRD. And still I'll be doing this whether people continue to subscribe or not.
I am engaged in stories right now that have extremely long delays between updates. But I'm not complaining about it because I know what it takes to do this. I know the sacrifices it takes and I know what it does to a family when you stay busy at your computer every day. Do you?
Don't get me wrong Woonz. I LOVE feedback, even the negative. I have said that at least a thousand times since I first started.. But you came in my post and basically said that you have no respect for me because I work on two games. All without knowing anything about me or my life. So fine, you don't respect me. What was the point of bothering to even comment on a post from a dev you have no respect for?
That's all I'll say about it. I hope you go back and read up on some of the things I've been dealing with, then maybe you'll have a much better understanding of why things have gone the way they have for me, and why I vehemently defend myself here now. I rarely bite back at people in these comments anymore but I'm sick of people thinking we as AVN devs can't stand up and defend ourselves and our work, especially to people who haven't got a clue what it takes. And I honestly didn't intend for this to sound like biting back. So... sorry about that. Peace...
I disagree that you working on two games isn't among the causes of the slow releases. How can working on two games at the same time not be? Saying it isn't a cause doesn't make logical sense. Your previous releases were 2-3 months because the story was in its infancy. The more the story develops, the more it becomes involved and complicated and thus more time is required. I get that.
I don't care if you do or don't know if you know what's going on with your patrons and followers, as that doesn't concern me. I simply made the point that working on two games simultaneously slows down the work and that it isn't reasonable to patrons. I believe that's a fair assessment. You're free to disagree, but that's my assessment.
"Consumers" is the correct term, for no purchase is required to be a consumer. Those who read your works are consuming your work. Hence the term. You've gone on a tangent over a misunderstanding.
Your working long hours, making sacrifices, effect on your family, etc, then working on two projects at the same time cancels out your line of reasoning, as it's a yoke of your own making.
I never stated or implied that I don't respect you personally, I stated twice that I didn't respect your choice to work on two projects at the same time. I called such "retarded" and "foolish". I don't respect your decision and subsequent rationale, as it's partly to blame for the slow churn. It's not the first time you've misunderstood what I've stated.
Your excuses for the slow churn would be reasonable if you were only working on one story, but working on two stories at the same time invalidates your reasoning, as you've just made more work for yourself that's lead to slower release times. That's the point I've made. That's not being unfair to you.
All I gotta say, if you don't like it here, don't let the door hit you on the way out, there's quite a few of us that have no problem waiting, and the updates use to be faster, but if you read the Dev logs, real life has gotten in the way, we all don't have time to be constant with our hobbies, which this is N2s hobby, N2 isn't required to write for us at all, sojust be glad you have it to begin with...
it’s unnecessary to write entire essays as replies. also, as a tiny little friendly criticism on N2, maybe try working on one game for a few chapters before continuing work on the second. this is also what Niichan does with MBiML/Sicae.
then again, i am just some online dumbass with no real experience
I'll say this and then not respond to this anymore. I move back and forth between the two games for reasons beyond everything mentioned here. And it doesn't matter how I do this, it is my choice. Going this route keeps me from getting burn out working on one game (like SO many other devs have done and abandoned their games because of it). I do it to keep my sanity. I do it because I want to. Whatever reason you need to hear, that's why I do it that way.
The only reason everyone waited almost a year for the Last Human release is because I went through major illness, deaths, depression, the full time job bullshit, and enough other bullshit. Though I suppose if some have only recently started following me, you may not have known that.
So, that's the end of this topic and hopefully that answers any more questions. I have no plans to change how I do this. Sure, I may sometimes do more than one update in a row with one of the games. It all just depends on how things are flowing for me in my life. I do what I can, when I can.
First of all, now all you're doing is gaslighting. I'll ask nicely... Please stop. Secondly, I did not lie about anything. Where the hell did that come from? I said:
"The fact that I work on two games has absolutely nothing to do with how long it has taken since my last release."
If you have a problem here, then WHY are you here? The ONLY answer is "to gaslight". I've asked nicely that you not continue. I don't like banning people or deleting messages because I believe people entitled to their opinion. However, each time you post it gets worse. This time you called me a liar for no reason.
If I asked 100 people the question: Would it be quicker to write and release by chapter one story, or work on two different stories at the same time and release them by chapter?, 99 / 100 people would provide the logical answer of one story at a time. Yet here you are being the 1 / 100 providing the answer of two books at the same time, and going even further to say that I'm gaslighting you for pointing out otherwise. It's by this reasoning is why I haven't called you a liar for "no reason."
There's no gaslighting going on. The fact that you believe that working on two games simultaneously doesn't slow down production makes your call of "The fact that I work on two games has absolutely nothing to do with how long it has taken since my last release" a lie.
TomGamerMC is making the same point that I've made. You're not just ignoring the issue raised, you're in denial of it.
I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't believe you're being logical.
Banning and deleting my posts isn't proving me wrong, it's proving that you're unnerved by constructive criticism and logical reasoning.
Man, reading through this comment tree is hilarious. Absolutely priceless gold, this stuff. Woonz has absolutely no idea how bad he’s making himself look with this nonsense.
The rest of this is for you, Woonz.
Guess what? You don’t have to be here. Didja know that, Woonz?
What the hell do you think gives you the right to criticize someone else’s choices? Have you ever successfully produced a VN of this quality and length? Have you ever even created anything entertaining for others to enjoy?
If the developer himself says that him developing two different stories side-by-side isn’t the reason why updates are “slow,” then it isn’t the reason why the updates are slow. It’s truly that simple, my guy. You do not know him. You do not know his life or his circumstances or what he does every day. You don’t have a clue what it even takes to produce creative works in the first place; so why in the hell do you think you know better than someone who actually does so on a daily basis?
And you know what’s more?
He doesn’t owe you jack shit.
He’s free to drop all of his projects right now, and you’d have zero right to criticize even that. Why? Because you’re not fucking paying him for these games.
In fact, nobody is paying him for these games. Sure, some people might be paying him small portions on a monthly schedule with the informal understanding that those payments will help him to continue producing games, but even they aren’t paying him to produce specifically these games, nor are they paying him to produce updates to these games at any specific rate. If he wants to take literally years in between updates, there isn’t a damn soul who can tell him that’s “wrong” of him, because it fucking isn’t.
I’ll reiterate: DEVELOPERS OF FREE GAMES DO NOT OWE YOU OR ANY OTHER PLAYER ANYTHING AT ALL. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE THEIR DECISIONS OR COMPLAIN AT THEM FOR TAKING “TOO LONG” TO GIVE YOU MORE FREE CONTENT TO CONSUME.
I mean, for fuck’s sake. Do you realize just how entitled you sound?
Whenever someone complains about an indie dev who gives away their products for free taking “too long” and starts nitpicking about their personal lives’ as if some random asshole on the internet has any right whatsoever to even know about that developer’s life, let alone criticize it, they end up looking like a spoiled, selfish, entitled, self-centered, bratty child who’s yet to learn that the world doesn’t fucking revolve around them.
So, one more time: the world doesn’t revolve around you. Get over yourself.
Leave developers of free games alone.
In most cases, devs are open to healthy critique, but complaining that they’re taking too long to produce updates is unhealthy and certainly not a “critique” by any stretch of the word, it’s just a damn complaint.
Now, if you’ve, say, paid for EA software and there were explicit promises made by the developer regarding update schedules, and those update schedules weren’t being adhered to? Then, by all means, you’d be in the right to criticize them for it. But when a developer like N2TheFire produces games that he doesn’t even sell, you have zero right to complain about his development process; he can release every week or every two decades and you, as a complete fucking stranger who he owes absolutely fucking nothing to, are never going to be in the right when you whine about it.
There is nothing “constructive” about anything that you’ve said in this comment tree. What you’re doing could hardly even be called criticism in the first place. You’re just complaining, like a child who didn’t get his way and is throwing a temper tantrum in a pathetic attempt at guilt-tripping, shaming, harassing, or otherwise emotionally manipulating the developer into sacrificing even more of his time, energy, and money all so that you, the complete fucking stranger with zero ties to him who he has zero obligations towards, can play his fucking games quicker.
The fact that you think you’re totally in the right, coming here and repeatedly arguing that you know his life better than he does? It’s laughable how misguided and egotistical you are. You wouldn’t accept his clear explanation about why he was taking so long to release updates, and he didn’t even owe you so much as a response, let alone a fucking explanation.
You think you know his life better than he does.
You think that because your faulty-as-all-hell “logic” tells you it’s impossible to write two stories at the same time without quality or speed of production being impacted that that somehow makes it true.
Yet, I doubt very much you’ve ever created anything in your entire life.
I doubt very much that you’ve ever even written a story of similar length and quality.
You know why?
Because if you had, you wouldn’t be making such ludicrous arguments. You’d know better.
You’d understand that the delay you see in so many project’s release schedules doesn’t come down to technical needs or time spent actually putting pen to paper, so to speak, but rather on the simple fact that creative types get bored producing the same fucking works over lengthy durations.
Think about it for just a few fucking moments before you open your mouth to whine some more:
Picture yourself spending literally years immersed in the very same story with the very same characters. Not even writing the damn story itself but just constantly thinking about it all. It is simply fucking exhausting over time, and most creatives will start slowing down once the initial excitement of their project begins to wear off; that “slowing down” inevitably ends up in, as N2TheFire explained very clearly to you, burn-out, where the project no longer seems appealing and no ideas are coming, and it inevitably ends up being dropped, doomed to be never touched again.
Do you know what all the professionals say about avoiding burn-out, hm? The most common (and certainly the best) advice is to work on multiple fucking projects at the same time and refuse to fall into a strict ‘routine.’
This is precisely the same advice that neuroscientists uncovered about the ADHD brain; and it’s no surprise, given that ADHD folks are all highly familiar with the idea of burn-out, as they experience it at a rapid rate compared to neurotypicals.
But, you don’t give a shit about any of that, do you. You just want to come on here and complain away, acting as if you know everything and refusing to accept that you were wrong, that you were needlessly disrespectful to people who do deserve your respect, even if they don’t demand it of you. If you want to be treated with respect by others, then you should damn well aim to respect them, first.
In any case, I can at the very least say this was some A+ slapstick comedy gold. So thanks for that, at least! I haven’t laughed this heard in a while. Or maybe it’d be better described as absurdist comedy, since the vast majority of your arguments were utterly absurd to the point of hilarity? 🤷
Bwahahahahaha! That's one longwinded concern troll. Let me guess... Cheerios? You spread your cheeks so wide during your estrogen-fueled bitch-fit that I could almost make out what you had for breakfast.
Your being triggered in behalf of someone else is next level. Eolorw has some competition in the white knighting stakes. 7/10 for effort.