Very smart.
• The “activate immediate text display in your game to account for any processing latency”
• and the prompt formatting of “natural English, like a real conversation” + “Correct any OCR mistakes”
should be in the official tutorial for GameTranslate.
This will help everyone have as good results as you have found straight out of the box.
Thank you for your time and research.
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Agreed. My whole tutorial system is terrible at the moment. I just want to spend a few days setting it up in a better way so it is way easier to add to/modify the tutorial, before I add anything new to it.
I'm thinking a global tooltip style tutorial, taking the user across the app, explaining in broader terms, then each section should have an (optional) tutorial explaining things on a deeper level.
I’ll be honest, the app has gotten a bit daunting to set up now.
The fact that in the settings there are so many knobs to tweak makes you think that you should tweak them all. And then I remember that I never had to tweak most of those as the app does still work fine on defaults.
I completely understand that since some people use it for games, others for mangas, and others for Visual Novels the app has to be flexible but I feel there indeed should be at least a tutorial of what each option does (just like you did in your original one) in a “if you have this kind of text [screenshot] then tweaking this option will help”.
And in the future, when the app config export sharing has more traction, you could cross reference what are the most common settings for Game Translation / Manga Translation / VN Translation and have the first time tutorial set them up for you.
This way, people who dont want to RTFM will still find themselves with an app tailored to their needs.
On the more advanced side of things, I also tried to set up a working translation flow by importing a .gguf model but after 2.5 hours of trial and error I could not get a good one. So I’m waiting for someone to have figured out a good setup and shared it here.
Agreed mate! Thank you for your honesty.
When I started building this application, I wanted it to be as user-friendly and simple to use as possible. Unfortunately I have deviated greatly from that, partly due to bringing in a lot of new features, and partly due to realizing that there is no one-shoe-fits-all scenario in this very complex work of OCR + translation of multiple languages, formats, styles etcetera. It's necessary to have this many knobs, to support all cases. However, to solve both issues in one, my intention for the future is to keep many of these behind "Advanced" feature gates. Hopefully I can squeeze some of that in next week too.
I have actually had an idea for an UX friendly first time setup that will try to be a one-shot-fits-all scenario as much as possible, by asking the user a few questions and then setting the application up to adhere to those answers. I think that alone would do wonders for user retention.
I could try to help you with the LLAMA setup if you'd like. Is there a specific language pair you'd like to use, and what problems are you having exactly? Completely incomprehensible results, or just bad translation output?
” I have actually had an idea for an UX friendly first time setup that will try to be a one-shot-fits-all scenario as much as possible, by asking the user a few questions and then setting the application up to adhere to those answers. I think that alone would do wonders for user retention. “
Yes, I agree. You know the app best. If you can translate the technical know-how into plain questions, it will help users navigate around the inherent complexity have a best-fit setup immediately.
” I could try to help you with the LLAMA setup if you’d like. Is there a specific language pair you’d like to use, and what problems are you having exactly? Completely incomprehensible results, or just bad translation output? “
Would appreciate it!
Just a known working configuration (What model, What parameters to set in GameTranslate) would be great. doesn’t need to be fast. As I could see what a working setup would look like and figure out stuff from there. 👍
Hey pal,
Sorry, I forgot about this. I tried the Croissant model as well as Tower Instruct Mistral, and after some tinkering.. I believe that there isn't any EN-FR LLM out there today that realistically can work in a game format. They'll hallucinate and break often when translating singular words or questions. They seem to work fine for any paragraph type of translations, which is great, but it falls completely flat if you want to use it for anything more than that.
If your main use case is to translate longer sentences or paragraphs and can't get it to work, let me know.
As for the one-shot-fits-all solution, it is a work in progress.. haha. I find it hard to know exactly what to put there and what not to.
I tried another model, the 'llama-translate" found here; https://huggingface.co/dahara1/llama-translate-gguf
It actually seems to handle singular words and paragraphs just fine. However, it is pretty excruciatingly slow on my PC, but then again I only have a 980 ti. Give it a try with this JSON body:
{
"prompt": "<|begin_of_text|><|start_header_id|>system<|end_header_id|>\nYou are a highly skilled professional translator.<|eot_id|><|start_header_id|>user<|end_header_id|>\n\n### Instruction:\nTranslate %source% to %target%.\n\n### Input:\\n%text%。\n\n### Response\n<|eot_id|><|start_header_id|>assistant<|end_header_id|>\n",
"max_new_tokens": 256,
"temperature": 0,
"top_p": 1,
"do_sample": false
}
