Post by croomfolk in Generative AI Disclosure tagging

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I had voiced despair at how flooded with AI the assets section had become, and even stopped publishing on itch altogether. This is very good news, a good start, and I'll definitely come back to itch if negative filtering does a good job of filtering out the slop.

I dont mean to sound ungrateful here but why not ban AI entirely? No one wants it, and it's just a shitty grift that actively harms the indies that your platform specifically caters towards. Itch has always been a haven for devs and artists, why even allow assets that have had no significant human editing? Moderation seems to be stretched thin, and that also seems like a faster way to get the issue done with

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IslandWind1 year ago(+13)

Like any tool it can be used or abused. I'm making an RPG and I wouldn't be able to do so without AI-generated art. As you say, there's slop and lazy content, too, but just saying that AI hurts indie devs is painting with way too broad a brush, imho.

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croomfolk1 year ago(+18)

No interest in debating this

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xeitek1 year ago(+9)

AI can only be abused, by its nature, it is abuse.

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-X-ScornGames43 days ago (1 edit) (+1)

thats not really a clever stating, as all things in live are nether black or white, there are grey shades. HUMANS are responsible for themself and so everything has a risk of beeing abused, i mean what about weapons ? they are also abused, or what about the bankign system the corrupt politicans of our time, ai aint bad by nature, rather adopts to its trainers, who are human. taking this out of this discussion and right into the nsfw thing, so all these guys complain about the responsiblity beeing taken away to prevent abuse, which is censorship, comeing back to ai topic, so the nature of ai is a mirror of humans who are greedy.....so its always in history if new things come around there are those who just cant stand that time actually moves forward leading to changes and what the final result is entirely humans fault or not, so better thing before you speak...

i want to remind you of the '"assetflips" which were refering to games who used bought or free assets, which acutally isnt even relevant to the games experience, i understand that asset creators have to be transparent about this, but how everything in my games was made doesnt matter and peopel have no right asking about it as long as there aint any copyright troubles appearing... and with ai its the same.....you can speed up as one man army meaning indie game artist

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Eris Lord Freedom40 days ago

If you're using AI-generated materials - those can't be copyrighted. If you're claiming copyright on a game full of materials that are already in the public domain, you're scamming the people playing/buying the game.

And it's not unreasonable for people to want to know who made the game. There's a difference between "I made this game" and "I grabbed a bunch of free resources and had a bot write parts of this game for me."

If you made the game, and someone liked it, they're likely to enjoy your next game.

If you used a bot/AI generator to write code and generate the pictures... they may not care for your next game, because by that time, the AI software will have changed, and you have no control over what's available through it.

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KaizarNike1 year ago

It certainly would be very forward thinking. Leafy went with a safer route here, but is up for juries around the world to decide whether the gross negligence of these mass-fed models is acceptable. I'm not sure what the best blanket ban looks like for this site, whether its a server side scan of every file or users trying to brigade down suspected targets.

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Eris Lord Freedom1 year ago(+14)

Because it's impossible to identify AI-generated content, especially when you get away from visual art. (False positives exist in art but not to the scale that they do in text.)

Any "ban this content" rule would result in unpopular devs being harassed and having complaints filed that they have AI-generated content - and then they're stuck trying to prove that they actually wrote their visual novel dialogue instead of developing it through ChatGPT.

There's no point in banning something you can't reliably identify; that just makes the ban a weapon that would be used against marginalized creators.

why even allow assets that have had no significant human editing?

There's a difference between "no significant human editing" and "contains some AI-generated features" - and right now, the tag won't differentiate between those. A ban on "all AI-generated content" would include "I made 30 distinct character tokens and then used AI to create color-shifted versions of them." It would include banning randomly-generated maps in TTRPG supplements, where the map is AI-made but all the description is created by the writer.

...Would it include all images edited with Photoshop, since it has a lot of AI features now? Text edited with Google Drive's spellcheck?

I can see value in marking AI-generated assets (especially since those will be in the public domain, definitely something you want to know before adding them to another work), but banning means needing to define where the edges of "AI-generated" are - and, without a way to identify AI works, means any easy way for bullies to harass the people they don't like, by accusing them of something that can't be disproved.

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Yolwoocle1 year ago(+1)

When people say "AI-Generated", in reality they usually mean "Generated using *generative* AI", which is different to other uses of AI, like spell checking or content labelling, for example. In the case of itch, they're talking about generative AI like Midjourney, ChatGPT, etc.

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The Hemohscin Project1 year ago (1 edit) (+12)

There's been at least ten games on the popular page in the past few months that have used generative AI for voices and images. So saying no one wants it is straight lying, the average consumer really just doesn't care.

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newberry940051 year ago(+6)

So sad... I see why this is happening but there is room for well crafted games that utilize AI (I'm a little biased... see my game). My game would be almost impossible and cost prohibitive to do without AI generated content or text to voice.

https://itch.io/post/11464895

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croomfolk1 year ago(+12)

So happy theft got democratized enough to where in addition to corpos spamming my replies with slop, it can be done by you as well. Truly an institution for thieves everywhere.

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newberry940051 year ago(+3)

okay, sure :)

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Yogurt The Horse1 year ago (2 edits) (+4)

You can also write something like “Earth is flat” which would lead to even bigger amount of “spamming” as you say :)

This is a discussion and people are discussing. Just writing rude stuff pretending everyone who disagrees is a fool is not how discussions usually work. But if you are truly happy about notifications this is also fine. Cheers, then!

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