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Thanks for this suggestion. If all my effort proves to fail and I have to give up entirely when my deadline hits, then I will look into this more. I am doubtful that it would be worth enough to earn my freedom, but it might still have some potential.

It needs to be 3D be as a 3D artist, my imagination is most active in three dimensions. Even when I was a child, when all the games I had ever played were 2D because 3D technology hadn't been invented, 3D games were all I could imagine. Recent advances in 3D are getting closer to making things I drempt up 30 years ago possible. In an environment where it is possible for an engine to match that format of its user's inspiration, it needs to.

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Ah, well I am sorry to hear you are in a similar situation, then. I have looked into O3D, and passed it up because they use visual scripting, just like Unreal.

Since there are indeed so many currently treading water without an engine to stay afloat on, including many displaced from Unity, like me, and since the world of game engines is so problematic with very few that actually check the boxes of what a developer needs, I wonder if that might be an indication that it's a proper time for us to network and create a new one responsive to this need. One that hits all the basics, is equipped with straight-forward methods, and doesn't constrain the user's creative freedom. Existing engines always give me the impression they are designed by market managers and created by software developers. There really aught to be an engine designed and created by game developers.

It is looking increasingly like there is no way for me to make use of Stride engine. It's not yet a fact, but pursuing it continues to lead to only more problems, and it is taking more time than I can continue to pay. Considering how much time I have spent on that, I am now feeling too pressured to try to tackle Titan engine, and am sinking into certainty that I have no other option but to settle on Castle engine. So, I don't know if that info is any help to you. Maybe you have more open doors than I do, but if you're serious about considering other engines to switch to, maybe Titan and Castle are a starting point.

I forgot to mention this in my first response, but actually model the anatomy you are studying as you go. You don't need to make highly detailed or precise models, but building a 3D human piece by piece will go a long way for your comprehension of the whole structure, and also it will be practice modelling organic forms. I suggest starting with the axial skeleton, then move on to the appendicular skeleton, then the skull (which is waaaaaay complicated), then the muscle groups from inner-most to outer-most. If you really want to top-out, you can study sub-cutaneous blood vessels, but that's not essential.

Also bare in mind that males and females are skeletally distinct, especially in the skull and pelvic gurdle. After studying anatomy, you'll want to learn about the sexed distinctions. In addition to sex, human from different regions of the world have skeletal distinctions. For example, African people commonly have jaws, chins, and nasal bones that protrude almost a whole centimeter more forward than the rest of the world, and many Chinese people have nasal bones that turn inward instead of outward, compared to the rest of the world. Research into details of this kind will become essential in the future, when you want to design an original human character. You'll want to know what are the skeletal distinctions that might by found in that character by sex and region, so you can make a mock-up to model your mesh around.

You're absolutely right that it is a long journey, but, consider these things:
It's no different from studying a coffee cup, except a human is far more complex than a cup. For anything you want to model, you will need to study it, no matter how simple or complex it may be.
Whenever you see 3D humans that look not-quite right and compare them to some that look just fine, the difference is often that one of those artists has not put the proper time into studying human anatomy, and the other artist did. That knowledge is the difference between them.

I wish you luck!

Hi, thanks for replying.

I don't at all "curse" clone generators. Game clones are like clichès, they are popular for reasons, I understand that. For people who simply want to reinvent their favorite FPS, there are numerous ways they can do that, and I'm happy for them. But a clone generator won't suit my needs. I need a general-purpose engine that will not constrain my options in unnecessary ways, because my inspiration usually involves things that I've never seen done in any other game, and I'll have to design and program it myself.

Coding is not an issue for me. Each time I've decided on an engine to stick with, the first thing I do is learn that engine's scripting language if I don't know it already. I'm certainly not an expert programmer, but I have no problem scripting what I need, if I can actually find an engine to work in.

Graphics and audio is not an issue for me. I am a 3D artist, and I make my own sound effects and music.

The holdup is not all the things surrounding an engine, it's simply finding an engine (suitable to the general-purpose need I described) that I can get working. Unity is spoiling because it is ready to get and go right away.  There are numerous unity-like engines (ie the list in the original post), but the get-and-go setup is not so common. From installers that don't work, to total lack of documentation, most engines have problems that make them useless, and the only way to know is to take the dive and give one a shot. I spent months learning Godot before I gave up. The same/similar is true for several other engines.

Unity has been turned into another clone generator. It's perhaps the most versatile clone generator around, but it makes things I want to do impossible. Beside that, they, as a company, have totally lost my confidence. I won't even play new games made with Unity, those crooks cannot be trusted at all and their crap can stay the hell away from my computer. I took some time to check out Unreal a couple days ago (another respondent suggested it), that's one I'll consider a last-option. For one, it uses visual scripting, and that's the brakes. I will prefer Castle or Titan, where I can write out a script in the conventional way, before Unreal. Also they make their engine only available through Epic. I didn't think of listing this as a qualifier, but having to go through a service like Epic for an engine is also the brakes. That's the only reason I don't consider Leadwerks, they are only available through Steam. If you have to rely on one of those services for your engine, and something goes wrong with that service, then all your work is in jeopardy. A proper engine has the reliability of being standalone.

I appreciate your advice that "If you want complete freedom, you have to develop your own engine", but I don't believe that's true. There are SO MANY engines. Surely, SURELY there has to be one out there that is actually useful in a non-clone context. Over the last few days, I have come to feel like I am getting closer to one. I have found information that I believe may lead to a solution to Stride's big problem, which would be a big relief, but I'm having to wait on other people for help with that, so that progresses at their convenience. The Titan engine installer has passed AV inspection, so that one is now a possibility that I need to take a closer look at if Stride turns out to be no good. In the unfortunate situation that Stride and Titan prove to be non-options, then, my plan presently is to fall back on Castle. Castle is the one fully-working engine I have found that is get-and-go ready and has everything I need. But ooooh I really want to avoid it if possible, because that one's design direction makes it a big gamble, and I don't have anything to wager that I can afford to lose. That's the whole point of this thread, for if anybody knows of an engine I haven't tried yet that will be a better option than Castle.

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Modeling humans requires human anatomy study. It's extremely unlikely that you will ever model a believably proportioned human unless you have fully learned the skeletal and muscular structure of the human body. Once you have made yourself an expert on human anatomy, modeling a human body will feel no different from modeling a chair or a coffee cup.

I know that may sound like a lot of work that you won't feel like doing! But trust me on this one, if you try to start modeling humans (or anything else) without doing the proper anatomy study first, you will always feel lost and confused like you have no idea what you are doing and everything you make looks wrong and you won't know why.

Youtube channels "Sam Webster" and "Viren Kariya" have a lot of excellent anatomy videos. Kariya has real human bones that he holds in his hands and moves around and explains every tiny detail, and Webster has muscular models, as well as videos about organs, blood vessels, all sorts of anatomy-related material. But, these things will only get you started. You'll also want to take advantage of the information in encyclopedias, wikipedia, other youtube channels, etc.

Once you know the anatomy of the thing you want to model, you'll feel like, 'wow, I can't believe this was ever a challenge for me.' This is the solution to the roadblock you are experiencing, don't try to skip it. It is the answer, even if it is not the answer you want.

Note that the current standard of photorealism is scanned models. No manner of modeling technique will reproduce the same graphic impression of a scanned model. If you're modeling humans yourself, don't let yourself get wound up in the trap of comparing your best work to scanned models. That will only ever make you feel inadequate when your work may be perfectly fine.

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What do you mean? Start my own original engine? I would prefer to do exactly that, but that will take much more time than I have. If I could go back in time and tell myself to do that 15 years ago, then I'd be free by now and doing whatever I want.  Now I have about four months left to try to salvage as best as I can. I can't develop a game that is it's own original engine in that time.

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I never considered unreal engine because it is based on UDK, which was a FPS clone generator. I may have found a way to solve the problem with Stride (presently waiting on a reply from Stride's dev community), but if that falls through then I will take a closer look at Unreal. Thanks for the suggestion.

'game assets for income' If that is a real possible thing, I would definitely be interested. But, that bumps into the problem of the time it takes. This is not a hobby for me, I have been putting all my time and energy into starting a game development project for years. The engines I listed in my original post are only a few compared to how many I have poured weeks or even months into learning, to then only discover they are dead ends for one reason or another. I spun my wheels in Unity for like 4 years before I realized why that was never going to work out. That's why this has been so extremely frustrating for me. I've never had the time to explore other options because this is the only option I've been able to find and it has taken everything out of me and I'm still at square one. All I need is a damn chance. If I could just find something that can give me a chance, I'll stop at nothing to make the most of it.

A clone generator is a game engine designed to streamline the creation of a specific type of clone, like RPG Maker. For example, there are a lot of clone generators for RTS and FPS, which give you very little control over your design except for what is relevant to the established conventions of their type of game. Clone generators are not designed to facilitate creative freedom, and it is anywhere from very difficult to impossible to create any type of game feature outside the scope of that engine's clone model. To contrast, a game engine that is not a clone generator is one that makes the most basic necessary features accessible, like a 3D environment ready to have any kind of art and code added into it, and a library specialized for doing things in 3D space, but makes no other assumptions about the nature of the project the user intends to create.

"clone generation architecture AI" by that I am referring to the clone generation features that have been developed into unity over the last few years. They've been systematically replacing their basic features with automated features that take control of your work and pre-process it into some form they assume you want. The last time I worked with Unity, I couldn't even import an animated mesh because the damned AI kept saying it was a humanoid model and therefore has to be assigned some ridiculous humanoid-model-rules that automatically separated it into animation clips with pre-defined physics-based movement and stuff. That was when I knew I had enough and it was time to find a proper game engine. I'm glad I did, because Unity has become a sinking ship since then. 

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I need to find an engine I can start developing with yesterday. I have spent the greater portion of the year running through the gauntlet of what is probably every publicly accessible game engine relevant to current standards (ie not including engines that were abandoned in the 90s).  Nearly all of them have terrible little quirks that disqualify them as valid options. Does anybody know of one you could point me to that might solve this need? I'm running out of precious little time to get some work done, or else I'll have to abandon this pursuit all together.

The best options I've found so far, and why I'm still looking:
Godot - would be my first choice, but there are no learning resources for new users to get started (except their 2D engine, which is not relevant to me).
Stride - Great engine, like Unity but without the assholishly abusive and exploitative data farming or the clone-generation architecture AI that limits what you get to do with it. I would be working with Stride right now except that it requires to run Visual Studio for creating release-builds, which is not possible for me, and there doesn't seem to be any alternative method. Anything I develop with it would be useless.
Castle - A great infant-stage game engine being developed, but it's design is focused on hobbyists who just want something to dabble in. I need something I can create a saleable product with, which makes this a bad match-up for me (but one I fear I am about to have to settle on if I can't find an adequate option). I just know it'll bite me in the ass down the road if I get too invested in this one.
Titan (Esenthel) - Seems like a good low-level engine with powerful graphics pre-built into it, but only if you can get it installed. The installer from GitHub doesn't work and the downloadable installer from the Esenthel website hasn't passed AV inspection, and seemingly isn't going to.    That problem has been resolved! So this is now an option.
Torque - Has been in some transitional state for the last six months without any bulletins or announcements of what is going on. 90% of the manual is blank and there is only a few references to the engine online aside from that. So it's not too different from Godot that way.

Valid options:
Must be 3D, must have efficient physics (ie not java-based), It can have Visual Studio dependency, but can't require running visual studio, and it can't be a clone generator. I know, this standard invalidates 99% of all game engines, but such as these simply are not valid options for me to do what I need.

I am extremely frustrated and about ready to burn down the world. The possibility of creating a game that I could potentially sell is the only avenue to income I've been able to find, and failing now might as well be the end of the world for me. If that sounds over-dramatic, keep in mind you don't live my life and probably can't imagine the circumstances I am dealing with here. This is my only way out, as far as I've been able to find. If anybody can open the door I've been looking for, pleeeeease spill the beans.

Sorry I haven't gotten in touch yet. I'm not ignoring you, it's just that life happens not at all or all at once and right now is an all-at-once moment. You'll hear from me soon. :)

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you on the point that graphics matter. I try to maintain that I believe quality of graphics has nothing to do with the quality of a game, yet I find myself instinctually glossing over games that don't have eye-catching graphics, and stopping only on the ones that are fun to look at. There's no getting around it, your would-be players will skip past your product if it doesn't look the way they need to to.

I'm willing to do that with you, if it's something small and simple. That might be a lot of fun. But I have to stay focused on my main objective, so I can't make any commitments to anything big right now. I need income and the chance to produce and sell a videogame is the only opportunity I've been able to find. This is not a hobby for me, it's a possibility of freedom. We'll need some way to plan out a project between us that is better than just putting our whole conversation right here in the public forum. Forgive me, but I am uneasy about sharing my email address. Maybe you have a suggestion?

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This is a thing that should generally be planned from the start of the design. If you have designed and produced something meant to be sold, you are making sure to take all consideration of things like audience and competition into account. And for the prospective consumers who are not comfortable with buying from an unknown publisher, you're publishing a free separate demo version so everybody can try before they buy.

If your product wasn't planned to be sold, then those considerations have been weightless, and you've probably made a game best put up for free.

Like androidlove I also have no income, so the only things in my life are whatever is made available for free, and the people publishing free games might be the only reason I haven't gone insane years ago (at least I think I haven't...) . Buuuuut itch takes commissions from sales and I <3 itch so I appreciate also those creators who are selling their games because they are supporting the itch that makes all these free games in one place possible. So, create something silly and simple to share with us all for free, or create something marvelous enough for people to pay money for. Whichever is your inspiration, you are doing it in the right place.

So you're a programmer who's skills are minimal on art, and I'm an artist with inadequate programming knowledge. Hahaha what a cruel world. Maybe someday we'll develop something together? Not today, but I think it's a door worth keeping open.

Private messages would be a benefit too haha I am surprised that is not a feature on a site like this. Nobody wants to flood the forum with things that could be discussed 1 on 1 so in that way it kind of discourages reaching out to find people to team up with.

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If you're into it, so am I. Maybe some other people will take interest, also. I am not presently developing anything. Right now I am doing a lot of study and experimenting to learn what I need to get started in that. I am approaching this from the background of a 3D artist. My art needs are licked because I can make anything I want, so now I am learning the programming and how to properly compose a game from end to end. It may still be a good while before I can actually produce something. So, if you're in any sort of hurry, don't put any bets on me, otherwise I look forward to finding ways we can support each other's work. :)

And, your english is a-ok. I wouldn't have guessed it is not your native language.

I'm 100% down with the colaborative > competitive culture. We get into orbit much faster if we build a rocket together than if we spend all our time knocking each others' down. imo Indie creators aught to be setting themselves apart from the cutthrough industry by forming bands that build each other up. Networking for testing, feedback, and promotion of each other's work would mutually benefit everyone involved.

In a way, that's kind of a part of what Itch.io is, in general, but it matters that people can enter into an agreement with likeminded creators, rather than setting up a public system and thinking that is good enough. I suspect there are already such groups out there who are happy with their membership and not making themselves visible to the rest of us. I don't have any work published yet, but when I do eventually get the chance to, participating in such a group would be ideal to me.

5/5 Excellent advice. This aught to be a sticky in the general development forum.

I was pleasantly surprised by this. The player movement could use to be a little faster for dodging the hostiles' missiles, and the missiles themselves could be a bit smaller. But I had fun and I freaked out when I found the boss.

Looks nice to me! It really shows you put effort into the look.

Wizard is one of those weird words that just naturally sounds very wizardy. I wonder if you might be able to play it up even more in the logo with some snazzy lettering?

I think that's generally where film adaptations from videogames go wrong, the reason they frequently go bad. Industry in a classist society is a naturally talent-prohibitive system. When a videogame with a story that demonstrates talent has a film made from it, there is a chance adjacent to zero that any talent will be involved in the creation of the film. As for talented film writers and designers, t won't matter if the game is story-heavy (like Ocarina of Time) or not (like Dungeon Defenders).

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Ocarina Of Time has already had a couple indy films and some animated web-sieries adaptations, but none of them did it justice. I'd be happy to see a proper high-end minisieries come from it.

Edit- After some more thought, Dungeon Defenders would make a fun movie. It's ripe with potential, as long as the creators of the game have nothing to do with it.

It looks like you're already getting the right answer repeatedly, the best option for the engine you say you want is probably Godot. Godot is graphically powerful, memory efficient, and empowering to your creative freedom by not starting each new project file with a pre-built architecture that makes a bunch of assumptions about what you are going to do with it.

As you are a C++ coder, you may find Godot's "similar to python" GDscript very alien. C++ is like building a house by harvesting the trees and cutting the lumber yourself, and python is like telling the house to exist and *POOF* you have a house. But GDScript has big advancements over Python, which you'll no doubt realize if you go on that adventure. Godot's 2D engine also is about as efficient and powerful as you'll ever get.

The one big drawback of Godot is that there is nearly no learning material for 3D development. A few Godot users have made a few video tutorials demonstrating some conventions for how to do a few specialized things, but there is nothing out there for the essential basics. As an example, Godot uses it's own unique method of handling 3D rotation, but they have put out nothing that elaborates on how to actually use it to make your objects rotate. Godot might be the BEST game engine so far, and could prove to be the last one that ever needs to be created. But until they decide to open it up by producing some learning material for it, it is a big dark blob of mystery.

If you are able to permeate it, you will have achieved the extremely rare opportunity to actually take advantage of it. And if you do, please do the world a favor by sharing what you have learned, so Godot can become useful to more people.

I think AI generated content is nothing to be concerned about in general. Videogames, as an example, is not just an industry, it is a creative art form. If AIs start generating games that prove successful, well hey, great, that means we are enjoying them. But, real people are still going to continue making games of our own, because it is a way we express ourselves, and a way we connect with each other. When you play a game someone else made, you are going on an adventure through a part of that person's mind, as expressed through code and pixels. These organic aspects of it simply don't exist with AI, at least not any time soon. To that point, expression of personal imagination and creativity is an aspect of media that you will be able to get from only human creators. While algorithms may be a form of creativity, it remains a long way from anything that could be called imagination.

That is very ambitious. And you are only 16? With that kind of drive, you are going to be a real competitor in this world throughout your life.

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Yep, that's it!

Its graphics capabilities are not going to win any awards at the moment, but there is something you should understand about Castle engine. It has been developed by 1 person for several years, which focused primarily on whatever he, personally, needed from it. The creator has recently expanded the development by hiring a team of something like five more people, and they are now showing great advancement of the engine's capabilities every few days. I think by maybe a year from now, Castle could become competitive with Unity/Unreal/Godot, if they keep up this level of progress. Structurally, it seems very solid as-is.

Maybe this can help:
https://game-engine.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_game_engines

There is a similar list on wikipedia to check out if this doesn't bring you to any good options. C++ is the most popular language for game development by a wide margin and there are LOTS of publicly accessible engines based on it. I don't recall any specific ones at the moment, I know I found several when I looked through this list. Just copy the name of an engine, and websearch "CopiedName game engine" to find out if it is one that suits you. You may have to find some engines' websites through their wikipedia page, and yes, you may have to explore the entire list to know which are open doors for you.

Many of the engines in that list are in-house products created and used by game and interactive media companies, and you can't get those. A lot of them are 'game-maker' type engines that are only for clone generation. I suggest making your own separate list of the ones most relevant to you and then go back and compare only those. Good luck!

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I don't think it is weird at all, I think it's adorable. This artist should be proud of their skills. I'm a non-furry.

I may be able to offer something on why some people react so negatively to furries, though. I grew up in a very religious environment, where there was a doctrine about how mixing human and animals is an abomination (FYI religious people commonly believe humans are not animals), and, dirty wicked evil sin-monsters and all that stuff. And there is really nothing unique about the place I crew up, there are thousands of 'religious communities' *cough*cults*cough* like that all over the world. So, you have the people who are brainwashed to hate things of this image's kind from the start, and you have the people in their periphery, who are influenced by those people, like spill-over from religion to humanity. I'm sure this theory doen't account for ALL anti-furries, but I'll bet it is a principle cause of a lot of it.

Yowza! That background really is something special! Who needs to play, it's fun enough to just look at. Is it your own original work or outsourced?

A dream-game for me would be an immersion-focused proceedurally generated medieval fantasy survivalcraft action RPG sandbox, with simulated kingdoms that, on at least some level, provides simulation for every individual in the world (or at least the ones that become distinct by the player interacting with them). The player would create a character as a child, play through that character's life, and then if your activity included having a child of your own, you would play as the original character's child when the original character dies, and so-on. It would include a broad field of subjects for your character to study. It would include robust physical simulation of a variety of substances, both real and fantastic, as well as have design features for the player to use the given substances to construct anything they can image. It would include far too many places to go and things to do than any player could ever actually achieve, just like the real world. The point of it would be to scratch the exploration itch that humanity suffers but our generation can't relieve. Immersion is an element of design wholly lost to the videogame industry these days. AAA companies focus their design effort on brainwashing and addiction strategies to keep gamers A.) playing and B.) buying more to play. This would be a game that discards all established conventions of 'successfull design standards' and effectively invents its own virtual universe.

When I was young, when I dreampt this up, computer technology was inadequate to make it possible. These days, however, I don't know. We might be there, or at least getting close.

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I used to use Unity, but I'm now switching to Castle. Unity and Unreal were the only publicly accessible engines back when I took interest in game development. I had chosen Unity over Unreal for the creative freedom. Unreal is designed for rapid clone generation, which is not an option for me because I don't like my creativity to be put in a box. Unity was the empowerment engine that made it easy to do anything you can imagine. But over recent years, Unity has been leaning hard into the same clone-generation infrastructure as Unreal, and their new features have all kinds of automated crap that has made it impossible for me do my work the way I want. Castle was a result of a couple weeks of searching and comparing on all the engine options out there. It has quite a learning curve, but it looks like a pretty powerful little engine.

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Emote and Minimap buttons are both toggling the minimap.

I clicked an emote, and it messed up my movement with the arrow keys. It looked like the chat box was activated, and it wouldn't deactivate. Toggling it on and off fixed it. Mouse movement control still worked, but it seemed to be off-target.

Hi Pomshi. I just tried your game. I assume the main menu is meant to respond to clicking the mouse, but I was not able to get it to do anything. The "Continue" buttons prior to that worked as expected.

Do you have any plan to implement keyboard/mouse support?

You're seeing the same thing I see. I am on windows. I think basically the game just doesn't have any content yet. It has a few other maps/rooms you can walk around in, but as far as I can tell there is nothing else to do at the moment. I've been checking for updates every couple days, they'll pump something out for us eventually.

This is really good! Do you have input from native americans on the design? I'm sure there must be native american game devs. I think action adventure RPGs that tell stories from their perspective is overdue.

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I'm sorry to report that I was unable to properly test this. It kept resetting to morning before I could make any progress, without advancing the days. I think maybe my stamina was running down to 0. But I was doing my best, so maybe you just need to reduce the rate that the stamina depletes and then it will be more ready for testing. Keep in mind that the player doesn't immediately know what to do, like you do. It takes time to look around and figure things out. I could barely get an axe crafted before it reset and I had to start over.

I do think this could be fun, though. It looks like a perfect format for a new innovative story to be told, like how Portal turned a FPS game into a story-driven puzzler. I can imagine the pocket messiah might be your friend at first and then become gradually more abusive in a liminal-horror sort of way.

It's too early to call this general idea a winner or a loser for me. I think you might need to make the first steps of it filled in a little more before committing or abandoning it.

I was not aware of any of the people you just referred to until I read your reply, so I can't comment on anything pertaining to them.

When a feminist creates something that objectifies men as murderous rape-machines with an IQ of 20, then I, as a man, might feel at least a little disrespected by it. Of course it is going to be fictional, because it is incompatible with reality. Such things can only ever be the result of fiction and are never real. And whether it is illustrated of photographic is not likely to make a meaningful difference to me. When you objectify groups of people, it makes them feel like you are accusing them of being that thing. And potentially worse, when someone's first exposure to the existence of some other group of people is an objectified form, then you're creating the dangerous situation of new preconceptions between people.

I don't know where you're getting "claimed this game promotes sexism, for having sexual content". Sexism and objectification are not the same thing, and as far as I can see, nobody has brought up sexism until you just did, and I have no complaint aboutsomething having sexual content. I might have thought that would be clear enough with my remark on prudes and how we should rub their faces in as much skin and sex as we can.

But, since you're unclear on how exactly I've been supportive to this project, let's not stop quoting just at 'respfully or disrespectfully', let's go all the way back to the first thing I said.

"But, with that said, please be cautious of making your work too exploitative. The objectification of women in this game is obviously deliberate, and that's a design choice you have the right to, but that doesn't mean it can't also take care to be respectful. I'm just saying it's worth putting some thought into."

This is called constructive criticism. It is one of the best ways artists and creators in general support each other, and pursuing it is often the principle reason someone shares something that is incomplete. It's when you look at someone's work, and if you feel some part of it could use improvement, you call it to their attention and offer a suggestion on how they might consider approaching it.

The characters in this game are a bunch of women who only exist to break into your home and ruin your day by stealing your gold points, or to be beaten and humiliated while their jiggly parts get toyed with by a mouse cursor. I feel that is an aspect of the design that could be improved. What I offered on that was

-be cautious of making your work too exploitative, and

-think about if you can take care to be respectful with it.

I wouldn't have guessed these are things anyone could take issue with. To my mind, everybody putting up some effort to be respectful of each other is a pretty straight-forward recipe for a better society and culture. If there is something wrong with it, please explain, because I am not seeing it.

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Okay. I agree with you. o_O I mean, mostly, except that you don't seem to understand that fictional characters are typically designed to represent or refer to real people, sometimes individuals and sometimes groups. In the case of this game, those characters are women. Fictional or not, art or not, real people are affected by everything that is created.

But you appear to be aiming those remarks at me, as if to dispute something I've said.

I haven't made any accusations about anything. If you read my comments, I've been supportive throughout this thread.

Although, I do have to say I disagree with your, 'everybody else it doing it so it's okay' philosophy. That doesn't work for me.