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Oh yes, I believe you that Leo's route is the darkest one. It is the route I played. I didn't even know that the others are available as routes, it didn't seem like it. (I know I said that before)

So, you had the ending were Chase looses his legs and after this accident (...) he wokes up beside Leo in Leo's bed and Leo says he loves him amd will protect him or so something. This is pretty much everything.

This is so surreal and unrealistic and unlogic. That's what I dislike about this VN. Not only that scene of course.

I don't quite see the difference between “darkness“ and “horror“. if you mean that their minds get tortured and not their bodies, something like that, then I agree. It is as if they were in a simulation of some kind, captured in their own brains. I have no idea how to describe it. The whole story, city and characters seem almost, yes, surreal. There's a possibility that Echo is seperated from the real world in a way, like in Blackgate and Stranger Things too and once they are there they can't leave. Another idea would be Chase is only dreaming, though this “solution“ is too boring and lame. The developers could also say Echo is cursed, idk.

Echo _is_ really dark. It focuses on horror and not a love story.

In my opinion Adastra is much better anyway, what I wrote on their Patreon side. I tried to make it look like I appreciate the work and creativity, what I do, but think it is not what the fans want to see. (No one responded...)

I do wonder how the developers came to the conclusion let's do a completely different type of genre in our next game with actual funny characters and sence.

The artstyle of the characters in Kiligan's Treasure is very cartoony.

I wonder what other things will happen in and around Echo, their universe. Since Echo is finished (I am nearly certain about it) the only option we have are more prequels/sequels. I think it would make sence if the prequel would be just like the main game, but with different characters and events. Although I don't think it would turn out any better.

I don't have much faith in this game.

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Samtoinette6 years ago

I -like- Echo, it's just mentally and emotionally draining to read.

That wasn't the ending I was talking about lol. The good ending on Leo's route is actually where you tell him you're breaking up. My soul was uplifted with that story's ending.

Who you choose to follow when Flynn blows up at everyone is where you choose a route. Sit by Carl, it's Carl's route. Find TJ, TJ's route. Follow Jenna and Leo, you choose one of them based on how you respond when Jenna tells you to talk to Leo. Flynn's is more eye opening about his character, at least to me.

I saved right before choosing who to follow so I could just load it up and choose a different route. I do that before the seemingly important choices, such as endings as well because that could switch from the good or bad ending depending on what you choose.

Carl's route is also really dark, FYI. Not to the extent as Leo's, but still dark.

I see 'dark' as in mentally straining. Depressing.

Horror is more suspenseful for me, with supernatural beings... Which Echo is sort of horror considering that, but it's not scary horror... If that makes sense.

They did say Echo is cursed, but after doing Leo's route (which I saved next-to-last) I think what they're dealing with is aliens. They never explicitly say what the characters are seeing, so it's up to the reader's interpretation. Is it angry ghosts? Demons? Aliens? Their mind playing tricks on them? It's your choice.

Adastra... Hmm... I like the slow romance, but I'm not a fan of the plot. I like Amicus and Alex, and the MC is okay. I don't like the other characters so far though. I want more information about the characters than they're giving me. I may like it better when it's further updated.

I think it's cool they went for comedy after horror though. Either they're stretching their wings and showing they can do more, or they just need a light hearted reprieve from the emotionally draining writing of Echo.

I want a sequel sooo bad, but more in the Dramatical Murder sense, where you choose a character and then their good or bad ending. I base that off of Leo's good ending, which I won't spoil because it sounds like you haven't read it yet.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago

-like- ? Okay... You don't like nor dislike?

Oh no sorry for spoilering you then. Does that mean there is no good ending for Leo's route, strange. It sounds like they break up with each other and Chase's soul gets uplifted?? Wth

Yes, that makes sence. I don't know why I didn't think about this earlier. I know which point in the story you mean, basically the beginning right? Where they all come together. I don't really care anyway. I liked the prequel and that's it.

At least I want to see a good love story and some romance and not a dark storyline with aliens... Maybe we will get to know more about what is happening in a sequel or rather a prequel. In my opinion a prequel would make more sence. Everything started in the past, right?

That's what I meant. I think Echo is just like Stranger Things. The horror elements in that show aren't really horrific either, but dark/terrific (not horrific).

You don't like Cato and the others? If I was the MC I wouldn't like them too. They are somekind of not villain or anti-hero (of course not), but they seem to be against the “uplifting“ and the MC and other folks in general. They are a strong counterweight toward Amicus and I don't really see an issue with it.

I have no idea what will happen next, though I think there is no other option than Amicus becoming emperor. Interesting would be if his brother becomes emperor instead and bans Amicus and the MC and they have to go back to earth or something. I really want to see a reaction of earth to Amicus's folk and interstellar travel. That would be hilarious.

It wouldn't make much sence, on the other hand it would be pretty boring if Amicus becomes emperor right away. And I still think the MC will see his family and friends again. Maybe it's just that Amicus becomes emperor and visits the MC every now and then. (Not a pleasing story ending in my eyes! We will see what we get.)

Maybe you find the story boring so far and compared to Echo it almost is tbh.

I still need to finish Blackgate for once. I hope it gets more interesting. It's not boring, but not particularly “perfect“ so far...

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Samtoinette6 years ago

I have a love-hate relationship with Echo.

You're correct, there's no good ending where you end up with Leo. But that didn't bother me, especially after playing Route 65. I highly recommend replaying Leo's route (totally worth it to skip all the dialogue until the final choice of leaving Leo or staying with him) and choose to end the relationship. My soul was uplifted with that ending. Probably Chase's too, but you should make up your own mind.

On Flynn's route in Echo is that he says to Chase something about how Leo took advantage of him because he was so young when they started dating. That'sexactly what Leo did in Route 65. Here's this 15 year old kid who's just coming to terms with his sexuality and in swoops this manipulative, explosive (anger) college boy who controls every part of Chase's life. I didn't find Route 65 romantic at all, honestly... I've been in relationships with people like Leo. They're emotionally abusive. They alienate you from everyone you care about and force you to only be with them 24/7. They get jealous at the smallest things and will beat anyone they see as a threat. Leo doesn't love Chase. He sees him as a possession. He's like a trophy. He won't even let Chase leave when that's the only way for him to be happy in the long run, even if Leo was suggested to go with him.

I mean, Chase says they'll work it out, but Leo grabs him from the train and when Chase's feet get cut off he doesn't even get him medical treatment, he just holds the otter until he dies. I bet Leo turns into Norman Bates (Psycho the movie; Bates Motel the series) and keeps Chase's dead body around pretending he's still alive.

I imagine Adastra is going to be a romantic story. There's nothing dark about it.

It does sound like they may do a prequel, but I'm not sure. This is based on Adastra being mentioned in Flynn's route in Echo.

I just started Repeat. It's really interesting. It has dark elements, but it's not at Echo level darkness. I finished what's available of one route, 2-3 more to go. New updates should come this month.

Project Aego seems to have been abandoned. No updates in 2 years. It's sad because it had great potential.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago (1 edit)

No thank you, I won't play it again.

Really? I didn't know that they weren't even full age! Wow, that's really terrible. Maybe I over-read it somehow, still wasn't the beginning of their relationship in both interests? In Route 65 I mean. How old was Leo then? Was he already 18? Whatever...

I am pretty sure Chase survived in my ending, unless this ending was too confusing for me and I read it at night. I can't remember, but he was in Leo's bed after all.

What I agree with is he really turns into an idk mad man.

Let's not talk about this more.

What do they say about Adastra in that route? Is Flynn's route enlightening? Is it any better than Leo's? Non of the available routes has a great love story in petto, huh?

It's fine if you like Echo more. I guess it's more complex and advanced, than Adastra for the moment.

Though Adastra has alot of potential, don't you think? (Like every science-fiction series...)

In that case Project Aego is just like Blackgate, but worse. On the Patreon page of the creator from Blackgate people complain about the only small updates.

I'd rather read Sonadow, than Echo .... Too dark for my taste.

Anyway Echo is not the only VN I have on my phone ;)

(Go listen to Echo-Minus an Echo parody voice performed by Dirk (the red panda) and 5 others!)

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Samtoinette6 years ago

Well, maybe there's an ending with Leo where Chase survives if you -don't- snoop in his phone or check his browser history, but I was too nosy to ignore them.

The ending I liked, since you won't reread it, is where Chase and Leo break up, but in the end Chase winds up with Kudzu. I was so happy!

Yeah, in Route 65 Leo was 18 and Chase was 15. I don't know what the laws are where you live, but here that's statutory rape. The age of consent in ~most~ of America is 17.

Flynn's route isn't finished, but I don't think it's enlightening to Echo as a whole. Just to Flynn and who he really is.

Flynn's roommate is an Adastra nerd. However, it sounds like Adastra in the Echo universe is the adventures of Amicus Sr. Amicus's father.

In Echo, Adastra is a TV series that sounds like a cross between Doctor Who and Star Trek (Captain Kirk, not Darth Vader).

As a whole, I'm not big on sci-fi anything (Though Doctor Who is a guilty pleasure). Not unless it could actually be a real thing, like the book Daemon by Daniel Suarez where a madman sets up a computer daemon/AI to follow orders to kill people once his death is announced in the newspapers.

I do like Echo's complexity, though, it's true.

At least Blackgate is getting updates! I'll probably read that one next.

I finished what's available of all the routes of Repeat, and the longest route left me crying with a bad ending and a "to be continued" so I need to rest emotionally first.

... Sonadow? As in Sonic/Shadow fanfiction?

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago

You were? Shame on you! Just kidding, jk...

I once checked the browser history of my cousin's laptop, I was to curious.. Although, I would never take the chance to exploit someone or how you say.

In germany everything under 18 is considered rape, I am sure of it. The age of 18 is when we can get our driving lesson and make our own decissions, live our life.

Not finished? That means updates should still roll out, even if I heard something else. That Echo is finished and they won't change anything more.

You know if you like Echo that much Blaidd Llwyd made videos about it. He really liked playing it and his opinion about the whole “darkness“ is pretty much the same I'd say.

He has got a pretty nice dark toned voice to do voice performing. His channel is really small and his videos are nice. The channel is propably only small because of his rather non-emotional talking. Well, I like it.

I talked to him a little bit on youtube and he seems like a nice and chill guy.

If you want you can check it out on the latest videos of his.

In that case I'm more desinterested... The really big secret is what happend to Echo and not specifically the characters. It's not like everything should be revealed and if that's important is another question for itself. I mean you can already imagine that the town and maybe the people too are cursed, nothing really special. How it happened matters.

Wait a second! I watched Doctor Who and it's not anything like Adastra, like at all! Well whatever, if this is what makes the developers happy it shall be...

Yeah, I know only a few people like the science-fiction genre. What can you do. Still you know what I think? I think Perry Rhodan is the best written book series of all time and I've read alot.

Really? Killing someone through the internet? How realistic.

True true, it IS getting updated once in a while, but not much. In Blackgate there are nearly only beasty/monstrous datable characters, you'll see.

Repeat sound almost like Echo and it sounds like something...

Exactly like in Sonic fanfiction 😅 Have you seen the trailer to the new upcoming Sonic movie? Sonic looks like the personification of horror and uglyness in it.

I have to say though, there do exist interesting, well written stories about Sonic and Shadow...

In my point of view the whole Sonic franchise is very interesting, especially with Shadow being the rival of Sonic. Shadow is not good, he is not bad (okay sometimes he is one of those). He is somewhere in between, what makes his personality the best of the bunch.

You don't have to like it 😊

Did you know WOTB (creater of TA) means “worst of the bunch“? It's true he told it. I wonder why you would choose this name

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Samtoinette6 years ago

I don't check browser history in real life because I don't care, but in games? Yeah, I wanna know everything!

Then yeah, Leo was totally taking advantage of Chase in Route 65. Sorry if that ruins it for you, it just digusted me that Leo was that type of... Er, wolf?

Like I said, in Echo Adastra is apparently about Amicus's father. He had a crew and everything, not just a computer. I'd recommend Flynn's route to you but not to pursue Flynn. His roommate is a LOT nicer than Flynn.

There's only a handful of games I watch other people play. FNAF, BatIM, and exclusives I don't have.

There's one thing Leo's route doesn't tell you: what really happened to Sydney. The routes only give the reader bits and pieces until Flynn and TJ's routes where his death is a more central concern because it caused everyone to change. They all suffer from varying degrees of post traumatic stress.

Heh, you'd have to read it to understand just how realistic it is. The supercomputer could control anything with a computer chip in it, which nowadays, is -everything-. It took control of a vehicle and had it run people over, took control of a metal door and caused it to behead someone, and many other scenarios I've honestly forgotten because I haven't read it in years.

I finished Blackgate, including all available routes to the "To Be Continued" screen. Rotis's route needs a serious rewrite, but the rest aren't too bad. Krane, Vekk, Jack, Gruff, and Plox don't have routes available to the general public yet.

Vincent's is my favorite so far, but I really wanna see what Krane's is like.

I'd steer clear of the construction site job for now, it ends on a very sad note. I damn near cried.

Repeat is a LOT more upbeat than Echo, honestly. It's still creepy, but not so dark it makes someone wanna... Do something rash.

I only know Shadow from the GameCube game with the Chaos'. His backstory was heartbreaking, but I definitely had fantasies of Sonic and Shadow being a couple. Never read the fanfiction for it though, just stuck to my own imagination.

Maybe WOTB likes self deprecating humor. Some people really enjoy it.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago (2 edits)

Alright, if a game feels different to you, than real life. For me it doesn't really. It doesn't really compare, but still. For me it's rather the opposite around... Weird I know. The reason is I know the real life people better than the game characters, so I can't predict how they will react.

Yeah, I agree with you with Route 65, but we don't know if he was controlled by some kind of force or his feelings were strengthened by it, the curse. Like if his feelings were so strong that he was easy to control, something like this. Or his trauma of Sydney has something to do with it, as you wrote they're all suffering through stress.

I am not the person to talk with, I know nothing, sorry.

I see, so I should do Flynn's route, but not become his boyfriend. That sounds easy enough, thanks for the tip.

Because of my discussion with Blaidd Llwyd I have a question for you. So, he thinks there was a copy of Chase because Leo said he was in his room with him, when Chase was tugged to the mine by “I can't remember his name“.

So you propably know 8-BitRyan for example he is a nice guy and makes funny horror videos. No, he is not gay, I think..

No, no it is realistic if the computer was somehow connected to the other technical systems.

Wow, seriously? Am I wrong or does this sound as if this journey was almost as depressing as Echo's?

You know, I am not a steady (right word?) person by any means. I rather play one route, for the moment and then move onto another game. Maybe I just changed in that area, who knows...

I have high hopes for Repeat. Gotta find out if it matches my expectations.

There are alot of girls though who are fan-girling about the two.

And I kinda like it too, BUT there are alot of very weird stories. In one Sonic kills his friends as Werehog in another he gets turned into a girl by the author.

Maybe you will like some of these stories...? I read them on a website called www.wattpad.com. There is one story explicit I recommend _An elemental secret_. I think the idea is pretty cool and the story isn't as complex (crazy) as the others...

Just saying :)

Could be, if so I'm a little bit like him and everyone should be. At least be able to hold back when others make fun of you, right?

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Samtoinette6 years ago

Honestly, I agree that there was a second Chase. Again, I'm thinking it was an alien that took on a form that was nonthreatening to the townspeople. He was even "seen" before he came to town, by at least two different people.

I doubt Echo will go this far to explain, but I'm actually thinking Chase himself might be connected to the aliens. Either he's been abducted before (which could explain his crazy blackouts) or he actually is an alien but doesn't remember.

Echo seems to be reminiscent of the incident in Roswell back in the day. It's in a similar sort of situation, lots of open desert and actually flying saucers being seen is mentioned in Flynn's route.

I don't think I liked 8-bit Ryan much, but I can't recall.

Blackgate can be really depressing, I admit. Since you only do one route most of the time, I recommend Vincent's. Rotis's goes slightly further than Vincent's, but like I said Rotis's route needs a rewrite.

It's actually nowhere near as depressing as Echo. It's just different. It's dark in the literal sense, but your character actually isn't in -much- danger. It's like he's being protected.

Now, for Repeat, if you haven't played it yet, you should play Sissel's route. His is the longest and ends right after you get your first chance to repeat.

Hmm, An Elemental Secret. Gotta look that one up, thanks.

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