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I have a love-hate relationship with Echo.

You're correct, there's no good ending where you end up with Leo. But that didn't bother me, especially after playing Route 65. I highly recommend replaying Leo's route (totally worth it to skip all the dialogue until the final choice of leaving Leo or staying with him) and choose to end the relationship. My soul was uplifted with that ending. Probably Chase's too, but you should make up your own mind.

On Flynn's route in Echo is that he says to Chase something about how Leo took advantage of him because he was so young when they started dating. That'sexactly what Leo did in Route 65. Here's this 15 year old kid who's just coming to terms with his sexuality and in swoops this manipulative, explosive (anger) college boy who controls every part of Chase's life. I didn't find Route 65 romantic at all, honestly... I've been in relationships with people like Leo. They're emotionally abusive. They alienate you from everyone you care about and force you to only be with them 24/7. They get jealous at the smallest things and will beat anyone they see as a threat. Leo doesn't love Chase. He sees him as a possession. He's like a trophy. He won't even let Chase leave when that's the only way for him to be happy in the long run, even if Leo was suggested to go with him.

I mean, Chase says they'll work it out, but Leo grabs him from the train and when Chase's feet get cut off he doesn't even get him medical treatment, he just holds the otter until he dies. I bet Leo turns into Norman Bates (Psycho the movie; Bates Motel the series) and keeps Chase's dead body around pretending he's still alive.

I imagine Adastra is going to be a romantic story. There's nothing dark about it.

It does sound like they may do a prequel, but I'm not sure. This is based on Adastra being mentioned in Flynn's route in Echo.

I just started Repeat. It's really interesting. It has dark elements, but it's not at Echo level darkness. I finished what's available of one route, 2-3 more to go. New updates should come this month.

Project Aego seems to have been abandoned. No updates in 2 years. It's sad because it had great potential.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago (1 edit)

No thank you, I won't play it again.

Really? I didn't know that they weren't even full age! Wow, that's really terrible. Maybe I over-read it somehow, still wasn't the beginning of their relationship in both interests? In Route 65 I mean. How old was Leo then? Was he already 18? Whatever...

I am pretty sure Chase survived in my ending, unless this ending was too confusing for me and I read it at night. I can't remember, but he was in Leo's bed after all.

What I agree with is he really turns into an idk mad man.

Let's not talk about this more.

What do they say about Adastra in that route? Is Flynn's route enlightening? Is it any better than Leo's? Non of the available routes has a great love story in petto, huh?

It's fine if you like Echo more. I guess it's more complex and advanced, than Adastra for the moment.

Though Adastra has alot of potential, don't you think? (Like every science-fiction series...)

In that case Project Aego is just like Blackgate, but worse. On the Patreon page of the creator from Blackgate people complain about the only small updates.

I'd rather read Sonadow, than Echo .... Too dark for my taste.

Anyway Echo is not the only VN I have on my phone ;)

(Go listen to Echo-Minus an Echo parody voice performed by Dirk (the red panda) and 5 others!)

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Samtoinette6 years ago

Well, maybe there's an ending with Leo where Chase survives if you -don't- snoop in his phone or check his browser history, but I was too nosy to ignore them.

The ending I liked, since you won't reread it, is where Chase and Leo break up, but in the end Chase winds up with Kudzu. I was so happy!

Yeah, in Route 65 Leo was 18 and Chase was 15. I don't know what the laws are where you live, but here that's statutory rape. The age of consent in ~most~ of America is 17.

Flynn's route isn't finished, but I don't think it's enlightening to Echo as a whole. Just to Flynn and who he really is.

Flynn's roommate is an Adastra nerd. However, it sounds like Adastra in the Echo universe is the adventures of Amicus Sr. Amicus's father.

In Echo, Adastra is a TV series that sounds like a cross between Doctor Who and Star Trek (Captain Kirk, not Darth Vader).

As a whole, I'm not big on sci-fi anything (Though Doctor Who is a guilty pleasure). Not unless it could actually be a real thing, like the book Daemon by Daniel Suarez where a madman sets up a computer daemon/AI to follow orders to kill people once his death is announced in the newspapers.

I do like Echo's complexity, though, it's true.

At least Blackgate is getting updates! I'll probably read that one next.

I finished what's available of all the routes of Repeat, and the longest route left me crying with a bad ending and a "to be continued" so I need to rest emotionally first.

... Sonadow? As in Sonic/Shadow fanfiction?

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago

You were? Shame on you! Just kidding, jk...

I once checked the browser history of my cousin's laptop, I was to curious.. Although, I would never take the chance to exploit someone or how you say.

In germany everything under 18 is considered rape, I am sure of it. The age of 18 is when we can get our driving lesson and make our own decissions, live our life.

Not finished? That means updates should still roll out, even if I heard something else. That Echo is finished and they won't change anything more.

You know if you like Echo that much Blaidd Llwyd made videos about it. He really liked playing it and his opinion about the whole “darkness“ is pretty much the same I'd say.

He has got a pretty nice dark toned voice to do voice performing. His channel is really small and his videos are nice. The channel is propably only small because of his rather non-emotional talking. Well, I like it.

I talked to him a little bit on youtube and he seems like a nice and chill guy.

If you want you can check it out on the latest videos of his.

In that case I'm more desinterested... The really big secret is what happend to Echo and not specifically the characters. It's not like everything should be revealed and if that's important is another question for itself. I mean you can already imagine that the town and maybe the people too are cursed, nothing really special. How it happened matters.

Wait a second! I watched Doctor Who and it's not anything like Adastra, like at all! Well whatever, if this is what makes the developers happy it shall be...

Yeah, I know only a few people like the science-fiction genre. What can you do. Still you know what I think? I think Perry Rhodan is the best written book series of all time and I've read alot.

Really? Killing someone through the internet? How realistic.

True true, it IS getting updated once in a while, but not much. In Blackgate there are nearly only beasty/monstrous datable characters, you'll see.

Repeat sound almost like Echo and it sounds like something...

Exactly like in Sonic fanfiction 😅 Have you seen the trailer to the new upcoming Sonic movie? Sonic looks like the personification of horror and uglyness in it.

I have to say though, there do exist interesting, well written stories about Sonic and Shadow...

In my point of view the whole Sonic franchise is very interesting, especially with Shadow being the rival of Sonic. Shadow is not good, he is not bad (okay sometimes he is one of those). He is somewhere in between, what makes his personality the best of the bunch.

You don't have to like it 😊

Did you know WOTB (creater of TA) means “worst of the bunch“? It's true he told it. I wonder why you would choose this name

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Samtoinette6 years ago

I don't check browser history in real life because I don't care, but in games? Yeah, I wanna know everything!

Then yeah, Leo was totally taking advantage of Chase in Route 65. Sorry if that ruins it for you, it just digusted me that Leo was that type of... Er, wolf?

Like I said, in Echo Adastra is apparently about Amicus's father. He had a crew and everything, not just a computer. I'd recommend Flynn's route to you but not to pursue Flynn. His roommate is a LOT nicer than Flynn.

There's only a handful of games I watch other people play. FNAF, BatIM, and exclusives I don't have.

There's one thing Leo's route doesn't tell you: what really happened to Sydney. The routes only give the reader bits and pieces until Flynn and TJ's routes where his death is a more central concern because it caused everyone to change. They all suffer from varying degrees of post traumatic stress.

Heh, you'd have to read it to understand just how realistic it is. The supercomputer could control anything with a computer chip in it, which nowadays, is -everything-. It took control of a vehicle and had it run people over, took control of a metal door and caused it to behead someone, and many other scenarios I've honestly forgotten because I haven't read it in years.

I finished Blackgate, including all available routes to the "To Be Continued" screen. Rotis's route needs a serious rewrite, but the rest aren't too bad. Krane, Vekk, Jack, Gruff, and Plox don't have routes available to the general public yet.

Vincent's is my favorite so far, but I really wanna see what Krane's is like.

I'd steer clear of the construction site job for now, it ends on a very sad note. I damn near cried.

Repeat is a LOT more upbeat than Echo, honestly. It's still creepy, but not so dark it makes someone wanna... Do something rash.

I only know Shadow from the GameCube game with the Chaos'. His backstory was heartbreaking, but I definitely had fantasies of Sonic and Shadow being a couple. Never read the fanfiction for it though, just stuck to my own imagination.

Maybe WOTB likes self deprecating humor. Some people really enjoy it.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago (2 edits)

Alright, if a game feels different to you, than real life. For me it doesn't really. It doesn't really compare, but still. For me it's rather the opposite around... Weird I know. The reason is I know the real life people better than the game characters, so I can't predict how they will react.

Yeah, I agree with you with Route 65, but we don't know if he was controlled by some kind of force or his feelings were strengthened by it, the curse. Like if his feelings were so strong that he was easy to control, something like this. Or his trauma of Sydney has something to do with it, as you wrote they're all suffering through stress.

I am not the person to talk with, I know nothing, sorry.

I see, so I should do Flynn's route, but not become his boyfriend. That sounds easy enough, thanks for the tip.

Because of my discussion with Blaidd Llwyd I have a question for you. So, he thinks there was a copy of Chase because Leo said he was in his room with him, when Chase was tugged to the mine by “I can't remember his name“.

So you propably know 8-BitRyan for example he is a nice guy and makes funny horror videos. No, he is not gay, I think..

No, no it is realistic if the computer was somehow connected to the other technical systems.

Wow, seriously? Am I wrong or does this sound as if this journey was almost as depressing as Echo's?

You know, I am not a steady (right word?) person by any means. I rather play one route, for the moment and then move onto another game. Maybe I just changed in that area, who knows...

I have high hopes for Repeat. Gotta find out if it matches my expectations.

There are alot of girls though who are fan-girling about the two.

And I kinda like it too, BUT there are alot of very weird stories. In one Sonic kills his friends as Werehog in another he gets turned into a girl by the author.

Maybe you will like some of these stories...? I read them on a website called www.wattpad.com. There is one story explicit I recommend _An elemental secret_. I think the idea is pretty cool and the story isn't as complex (crazy) as the others...

Just saying :)

Could be, if so I'm a little bit like him and everyone should be. At least be able to hold back when others make fun of you, right?

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Samtoinette6 years ago

Honestly, I agree that there was a second Chase. Again, I'm thinking it was an alien that took on a form that was nonthreatening to the townspeople. He was even "seen" before he came to town, by at least two different people.

I doubt Echo will go this far to explain, but I'm actually thinking Chase himself might be connected to the aliens. Either he's been abducted before (which could explain his crazy blackouts) or he actually is an alien but doesn't remember.

Echo seems to be reminiscent of the incident in Roswell back in the day. It's in a similar sort of situation, lots of open desert and actually flying saucers being seen is mentioned in Flynn's route.

I don't think I liked 8-bit Ryan much, but I can't recall.

Blackgate can be really depressing, I admit. Since you only do one route most of the time, I recommend Vincent's. Rotis's goes slightly further than Vincent's, but like I said Rotis's route needs a rewrite.

It's actually nowhere near as depressing as Echo. It's just different. It's dark in the literal sense, but your character actually isn't in -much- danger. It's like he's being protected.

Now, for Repeat, if you haven't played it yet, you should play Sissel's route. His is the longest and ends right after you get your first chance to repeat.

Hmm, An Elemental Secret. Gotta look that one up, thanks.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago

Your thaughts are all very well carefully considered, wow. I told it Blaidd.

By the way do you remember what I told you about WSSAP (Wolfstar Sins and Paradise)? You should give it a shot. It's awsome, my second favourite VN. They haven't made much money with it yet, which I find unfair, because it is so complex and everything about it is well rounded. You may not like the character designs (bara), but the story is definetly worth it. I think they've got the best music out of all VN's I've played. You can check the tracks out in the gallery.

Ah and Uncommon Breed is a similiar case. Again bara designed and a good, intersting story and combat scenes every now and then.

You said FNAF so I thaught you will like his videos, well doesn't matter ...

I bet you know who you like to watch.

So, there are three choices for me to make. Do I play Repeat-Sissel now or Flynn's route or Vincent's route in Blackgate? But first the new update of WSSAP! ;)

Hmm, yeah “An Elemental Secret“ is special. All Sonadow stories are special in a way, but so far this was my favourite storyline. The others are full of sex or darkness... You decide.

Still most or many visual novel stories are better than these.

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Samtoinette6 years ago

Oh cool, thanks.

I've played through WSSAP several times now. I'm glad they're getting to work on Dagio's route. It's not fully written yet but it's not bad. Of course the longest route right now is Hugo. Dagio is my favorite, with Cornelius being a close second... I'm hoping he'll pop up later and be like "I'm alive bitchessss" but we'll see. I played the new update a few times to see if anyone's routes had more put into them, but not so far. Just Dagio.

Then my third is Janus. I can't wait until Janus gets his own route, argh! Sucks that Alex's will probably come first -sigh-.

Uncommon Breed I've played a few times as well. I tend to play through what's available of each route before moving on to something else.

I like Markiplier for watching FNAF Let's Plays. His over the top reactions make me laugh.

I would suggest you go in the order of: Flynn, Sissel, then Vincent. That or Flynn, Vincent, Sissel. I say that because of how heavy the material is. My thoughts are that Echo is the darkest so it's best to get it out of the way. Then with Repeat and Blackgate, the original order is to break up the two darkest VNs with something lighter between them, and the reversed order is getting the dark stuff out if the way first and moving on to something lighter. Echo, Blackgate, Repeat is in the order of darkest to least dark. They're all heavy, of course, but Repeat is more creepy than heavy, I think.

I like a lot of Fanfiction too. Hell, I write it. My imagination can be better than what people come up with for VNs. It just depends.

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Rotun Noctis6 years ago

On my second thaught I have to say the above statements were both lies...

My second favourite VN would be Morenatsu Revisited, Homecoming has a long way too go still.

Morenatsu has the best music too, though it is hard to say for sure.

Dagio is certainly a very important and interesting character. His story is my seond favourite route, because “best friends routes“ are just to die for. ;) So Hyper is number one and Dagio a close second. Well Hyper is rather bi than gay, buut whatever.

You know about Cornelius... I may or may not know more than you. There is one scene where the doppel (double?) ganger (german btw) of Dagio (the one in life, if he is one) says something to himself about how it would be nice for the person (don't know who it was, sorry) to meet up with Corny. So, my theory is it could be possible that he is still alive and I wouldn't be surprised too much. It's just a theory though. It could also be that the double ganger (if he's one) doesn't know about Cornelius's death.

Alex, this dirty rat, I don't like him either. He's like the lion from EA, such a cheater. I mean he seems like one...

Did you like UB? I find it pretty great so far and the combat scenes can be hard, so that makes it less a novel. Were you able to figure out the labyrinth? Wait, no, that is WSSAP...

I already got the 9.1 release, you will get it a while later. It focuses on the lion. What was his name, (so many VN character names to remember) I honestly forgot.

I know this channel, Markiplier, but I haven't watched any of his videos I think.

The worst first, it seems.^ So it shall be it then. There's only one problem. I am reading a Sonadow story at the moment and I will not lie it is awsome, as far as I came. It is called Sonic's Alpha and I will not spoiler anything. It is propably better than An Elemental Secret to be clear about the circumstances, and it belongs to your favourite (?) genre like the following.

Then I have to watch the last few episodes of Another. It is an anime that is different from animes that I have seen until now and has an IMDb rating of 7.8

It fits your favourite genre pretty, pretty good, is my guess...

And Brightburn is a film I wanna watch too. It pretends that Superman in his early age gets bullied and what do you think happens? You're right, we have a winner, he uses his abilities to do evil...

That is awsome, really. If I took the time I could write too maybe, but then again my english is not perfect enough to write a complex story for whichever fandom...

If you say so by yourself I believe you and it's impressive.

Now I remember I even have to play through Kilgigan's Treasure for once. There's alot on my list of 'priorities', as you can see.

(Sorry, I wanted to write earlier)

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