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The new game uses the same underlying engine as Succubus Stories, so it will support modding, though I need to design, create, and expose specific APIs for modders, so the game will probably not support mods until later.

Neither this game nor Succubus Stories will ever be open source, but I get where you’re coming from. That said, the way things are done in the games themselves are not always good examples anyway, as I update the APIs over time and add new features, shortcuts for commonly used things, realize past me is an idiot and change the way things work, etc.

You actually can see the entire source code of the “Convent” mod, though, and I will probably make additional official mods in the future that will be source available if not open source. I’ll probably do something similar for Hex.

If you are interested in modding, you might want to consider joining the discord, as we have at least two community modders there who know the engine and tools pretty well, plus I’m of course also willing to help and give examples and advice.

qinlongfei1 year ago

Thanks for the reply! Personally, I'm not really a fan of Discord's format as I'm not someone who is good at following fast, real time message chats. Sit down, think my thoughts over and post on some kind of message board and come back, check for reply is more of my preference.

One thing I really come to appreciate open source games like Monster Girl Dream and Thea 2 (had almost 600 hours in Thea 2 and only 50 in Thea 1, even though Thea 1 had a more unique and complex system), is how I can seemlessly splice more options into vanilla content and not just awkwardly make my own stuff and have it sit besides vanilla events.

One example I can use directly to your story. The reason I was trying to see if I can figure out how to mod this game is I felt like more could be done with Wimbol after the main story. Especially the seduction path where Wimbol seems to enjoy being served by the MC. I'm guessing you didn't add some additional option for MC to privately serve Wimbol is because it would have completely trivialized the whole rent/hunger balance (there's already not much of a challenge to begin with)? Obviously, I can't do that if I don't know what specific trigger there might have been for that questline, or if there is even specific trigger involved in the first place since from the example, it looks like most additional option are triggered by perks, not quest triggers/tags.

But yeah. In the end it's your decision to not make your game open sourced, and I respect that since most games aren't.

Also a question. Since the next game is going to have more focus on combat, will there be more focus on possible events in case where the MC loses an encounter? It doesn't really happen in Succubus Story and it makes sense. MC is a succubus who feeds on a human's spirit, and there's no way she'd lose to mortal human even if she acts submissive. I feel like it would make more sense to have different scenes depends on win/lose for the sequel if the MC is a succubus possessing a human's body.

Outsider Artisan1 year ago

One example I can use directly to your story. The reason I was trying to see if I can figure out how to mod this game is I felt like more could be done with Wimbol after the main story. Especially the seduction path where Wimbol seems to enjoy being served by the MC. I’m guessing you didn’t add some additional option for MC to privately serve Wimbol is because it would have completely trivialized the whole rent/hunger balance (there’s already not much of a challenge to begin with)? Obviously, I can’t do that if I don’t know what specific trigger there might have been for that questline, or if there is even specific trigger involved in the first place since from the example, it looks like most additional option are triggered by perks, not quest triggers/tags.

There are plenty of flags for story events, though I’m not sure which are documented and which aren’t. There are hundreds of flags and only a few seemed relevant to most mods, so I didn’t document everything. This is why it’s easier for me to help out directly by answering questions. It doesn’t have to be on the Discord, though.

The way mods in Succubus Stories is fairly limited, like you don’t have full access to just overwrite any internal game content you want, for example. It is meant sort of for users to add content that is separate from game content rather than replacing game content. Maybe I’ll change that for Hex, but I think it’s easier for some modders this way, as it sandboxes mod content so you don’t have to worry about breaking anything.

Also a question. Since the next game is going to have more focus on combat, will there be more focus on possible events in case where the MC loses an encounter? It doesn’t really happen in Succubus Story and it makes sense. MC is a succubus who feeds on a human’s spirit, and there’s no way she’d lose to mortal human even if she acts submissive. I feel like it would make more sense to have different scenes depends on win/lose for the sequel if the MC is a succubus possessing a human’s body.

Losing in encounters will have different effects. Against non-intelligent creatures you will generally flee and simply have to rest and try again. Against humans, most will rob you if you lose, but you can seduce them. For story- or quest-related fights losing most major fights will result in different events happening, similar to a choice. Some fights may also end in game over. These are all tentative plans. All that said, there won’t be much non-/dub-con in the game in relation to losing fights, probably. I’m sure something grittier would be possible to mod in though.

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