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Rachel might be an exception, being the most innocent girl among the seven, only capping at 50 love points and the fewest triggers for harem acceptance scenes.

To be honest I have no idea if there is an actual possibility of a wholesome relationship with any of the women since I chose the harem route, but I also went to create multiple saves so I can pick the other choices for the purpose of unlocking gallery scenes. Each of them eventually revealed certain kinks, but that could be a result of much earlier choices in my playthrough. My only suggestion is to keep an open mind and just let their stories play out.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

I thought both Sen and Rachel were innocent. A opposed to Irene who only ACTS innocent.

I guess I'm stuck now. I can't unsee what I saw and pretend the cast isn't what they are. I'm just gonna beat it once and call it a day. I'll pick as few options as I can that sicken me and see what I get.

Thanks anyway.

redboar1 year ago

Sen was also a character who I perceived as innocent and conservative. I thought it was cute when she started obsessing over the shirt, until the scene that followed right after. I knew then that she will spiral into one of the wildest character developments in the game, especially after the introduction of her mom in the story.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

Maybe the writer believes in the "lady in the street, freak in the sheets" idea. That the game would be better if everyone was a pervert deep down. But it kinda boils down to the only thing setting them apart being their gimmicks. Sen lust for smells, Rachel sheltered understanding of sex and interaction, Vera tsundere hoping to be roughed up, Elisa and bondage, Theo and teasing, Irene and pet and ass obsessions, and Uno descending I to being a exhibitionist porn star. I got Sen's ending last night. It seems like ultimately each girl will just come to rely on the main character at the end and become addicted to being them him. It feels like no matter what, dialogue may change but basically even if you don't pick sex partner option and instead pick girlfriend or lover. They are really just always gonna be treated like sex slave but with a usually nicer guy at the helm of it all. He even put a camera in the bathroom on his house. Why? He can see the girls anytime he wants. Smh I seriously would rather just have the main character give up on a harem and be devoted to just one. At this point.

redboar1 year ago

You'd surely hate the 'ultimate' harem ending if I told you how it went. Even I was taken aback when I unlocked the scene, and boy was it long and gratuitous.

Regarding the hidden bathroom camera scene, my guess is that the MC did it for adult video material, that's why it was specific to Uno.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

but the camera was still in the bathroom recording even when Theo and Vera go in and Uno mocks him saying she might tell on him to Vera.

If the ultimate harem with all the girls in the harem ending is them in love, that's fine. I don't mind them all having sex and getting along. What I don't want is degrading themselves, reducing themselves to just sex slaves and acting like animals. I want class. Romance. And yeah sex. But in a tasteful meaningful way. The MC hops back forth being super nice and caring and a gentleman and then a horny pervert bully. Elisa even said this out loud and mused that he was the ultimate lady-killer giving women all they want and best of both worlds. I was blown away by how uncanny it seems to be that no one in the game can have sex without soon after becoming a pet or a slave to the main character.

Who was your favorite girlfriend in the game? Theo and Elisa are still my favs despite all I've seen now.

redboar1 year ago (2 edits)

Just to give you an idea:

SPOILER

The events in the ultimate harem ending occur after a three-year timeskip. For some reason, all seven women are now sharing the same body type, which means Irene and Rachel now have the voluptuous figure and G-cup breasts as Sen/Theo/Vera. The medieval torture chamber in the house is now dubbed as the "training room" and one of the scenes in there involve Rachel and Elisa both straddling on a 'wooden horse'. Meanwhile, Theo, Uno, and Vera are naked inside a prison cell with their breasts peeking out from the gaps of the jail bars. Irene and Sen, wearing only collars, are on a bed in a corner of the room waiting for their turn.

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My favorites are Sen and Theo. I think both women have the best chemistry with the MC, and their rivalry could've been interesting as an overarching plot with proper writing.

KOKAYI0051 year ago (1 edit)

Holy shit... That is not what I want.... Not at all.

How do you avoid that and still romance the girls?

Theo and Elisa are my fav because I like voluptuous classy women that are smart yet still loving. If that ending you're talking about is the "best ending", I'm gonna avoid it like the plague. How can I romance them, and not get that ending but instead just marry them or date them all?

Edit... The MC said he was a gentleman, what part of that ending is gentleman behavior? It's like he went insane with lust and power over these women. And the writer said that the cast "weren't just sluts". So what is up with that ending?

redboar1 year ago (1 edit)

You can probably skip all the harem scenes and endings by avoiding all the harem acceptance triggers (double hearts icon) as much as possible. If I'm not mistaken, the love points is a separate level-up system so you should still be able to raise your relationship with the women individually. Also, I've unlocked the rest of the gallery, and unless there were any scenes of a wholesome relationship ending that have been excluded, I'm afraid they just don't exist.

I've realized early on that it's almost impossible to fail with any woman in the game. There are only two routes to your relationship; either she becomes a sex partner or a romantic interest, with the former leading up to a harem ending. It goes to show that the MC was simply written to be likeable regardless of the choices the player makes, which is really my biggest gripe towards the game. IMO there should be choices that will lead to negative consequences otherwise you're just playing a perfect, infallible character, and there's no fun in that.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

I already have a bunch of harem accepting points for characters. If I stop here am I still safe from triggering the harem ending with all the nasty shit in it? At this point I might as well just get the ending for each individual character and call it a day.

Yeah the main character can do no wrong. They set it up that no matter how cruel you are to them the girls always become brainwashed that what he did was out of love. That they were in need to being brought outta their shell and only his selfish pervert acts could do the trick. Uno is reduced to a porn star. Senning is reduced to a ordor obsessed fan girl. And the list goes on. Imply that no one's life is complete without The MC dick and selfish sex demands.

I want sex scenes but I don't want them in the rapist fashion the come as sometimes. And the girls are written to want that roleplay. A kind gentleman who turns into an abusive jerk in bed. I don't know anyone IRL who likes that. Or at least they never said so. And I've heard some wild conversations over the years.

I just want to romance all the women and they all move in together and maybe start a giant BnB business together. Or something fun and happy like that. Why would a sex dungeon maniac MC ending be cool in the writer's eyes.

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Pokman61 year ago (2 edits)

Yes, I agree with a lot of your point. I just rushed the game after seeing some of those things, just to know the ending. But overall not a bad plot just some things need to be reworked completely.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

Yeah, the dialogue is funny or romantic and sweet at times. But it's those times when the MC, Agang, does things that you have no control or and talks like a stalker or rapist that kill the game for me. For example, he is by now is a relationship with Vera. Even if she is into kinky stuff at home, why come to her job and try to expose her breasts? I picked not to do that. And I'm glad there was no demand that I had to that time. But too often there is no option to not do something. And something they even unrealistically make the girls try to bait you or tease you into doing dumb stuff at work or why tutoring. Are we to believe all of them are so thirsty for sex that they throw their careers away. I just don't see that happening with Theo or Vera. Yet once Theo is in a bad situation and covered in cum before a worker walks in and the main character just runs away and she doesn't even clean it up. She just sits there and says it's spilled milk. They even make it clean the worker knows she's lying or thinks she threw up on herself. The point is, there was no option to take the fall and stay to clean her up. You childishly do the deed in her office then she tells you to leave only to get caught anyway? And this is your wife to be? I wanted to stay, and at least fully clean her up or go out and stall the worker coming in. I wanted to save her dignity. But the game wants Theo and all others to just have the illusion of self respect and pride and it's up to the MC to "break them" and turn them into perverts that do as he says. I wish I had known that before playing the game.

Pokman61 year ago (2 edits)

Well this is the plot for nearly all erotic game but most of them gives you the option to act otherwise at least. But even then it can be made to work this harem thing without "breaking in" the girls and without them acting like sex slut bitches.

I also didn't like that Theo actually never told the MC what happened in school, that they lost their virginity to each other when he was drunk af in high school. And kept telling the MC that a jerk did it in school, but it was him. At least after their marriage (in the good Theo ending) she should have told him.

Well there was a lot of stuff that didn't make sense. I'm pointing these things out cuz i'm sad because this game would have been so much better with just a little different writing.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

In game they say over and over that a chapter 2 segment explains their past in high school. She only doesn't tell him just to likely get people to play thru that chapter.

Ive seen games where you don't break the girls and make them dependent on you. But they weren't really harem games. You can have a harem but it wasn't the focus. Like in Tales from the Void. Or in Once in a Lifetime. Lots of girls like you in both, but they never become shameless sex slaves that live to serve you the second no one is around.

Pokman61 year ago (1 edit)

Yeah I played that, it has actually 3 chapter, but in short it's what I wrote. But it still bothers me that she never tell him about it in the main game cuz the MC doesn't remember. I wanted her to tell him what he did and why he doesn't remember.

KOKAYI0051 year ago

she should tell him, yeah. I cant believe he forgot his first time. Guess he was that drunk.

How do you access other chapters. I have the characters approaching 55 love and 15 harem accepting. Where is the option to see those other chapters?

Pokman61 year ago

those chapter are not for free, check it on patreon, it's 5$

KOKAYI0051 year ago

Oh I `saw them on the main menu but I don't `see to play them.

I'm ju`st gonna `stop once i get the harem ending for Irene, Elisa, and Theo

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