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I guess I missed that memo. I had no idea EVERY love interest was a closet masochist. Even if it was most of them I don't buy it with Theo. Smh that breaks my heart. I literally just thought masochist was Irene and her butt stuff obsession. But apparently this boils down to the idea that strong women of business secretly wanna be "conquered and used and dominated." I don't know what to do now. I have every character except one to level 40 love and most of them are 6 or 8 on harem accepting. Should I just quit?

In their rooms when they put red dots now by the submission and sex skill and intimacy, etc skill levels. I thought if I picked gf lover routes with each character I could avoid making each girl a sub. But it seems mandatory now just to advance the plot. As for the rationale with the harem I believe the mindset came from the women getting to know each other so well they became a family and thus envy and hate of sharing the main character would die out. But are you saying they each eventually tell a story of why they're into being dominated and degrading themselves?

redboar3 years ago (1 edit)

Rachel might be an exception, being the most innocent girl among the seven, only capping at 50 love points and the fewest triggers for harem acceptance scenes.

To be honest I have no idea if there is an actual possibility of a wholesome relationship with any of the women since I chose the harem route, but I also went to create multiple saves so I can pick the other choices for the purpose of unlocking gallery scenes. Each of them eventually revealed certain kinks, but that could be a result of much earlier choices in my playthrough. My only suggestion is to keep an open mind and just let their stories play out.

KOKAYI0053 years ago

I thought both Sen and Rachel were innocent. A opposed to Irene who only ACTS innocent.

I guess I'm stuck now. I can't unsee what I saw and pretend the cast isn't what they are. I'm just gonna beat it once and call it a day. I'll pick as few options as I can that sicken me and see what I get.

Thanks anyway.

redboar3 years ago

Sen was also a character who I perceived as innocent and conservative. I thought it was cute when she started obsessing over the shirt, until the scene that followed right after. I knew then that she will spiral into one of the wildest character developments in the game, especially after the introduction of her mom in the story.

KOKAYI0053 years ago

Maybe the writer believes in the "lady in the street, freak in the sheets" idea. That the game would be better if everyone was a pervert deep down. But it kinda boils down to the only thing setting them apart being their gimmicks. Sen lust for smells, Rachel sheltered understanding of sex and interaction, Vera tsundere hoping to be roughed up, Elisa and bondage, Theo and teasing, Irene and pet and ass obsessions, and Uno descending I to being a exhibitionist porn star. I got Sen's ending last night. It seems like ultimately each girl will just come to rely on the main character at the end and become addicted to being them him. It feels like no matter what, dialogue may change but basically even if you don't pick sex partner option and instead pick girlfriend or lover. They are really just always gonna be treated like sex slave but with a usually nicer guy at the helm of it all. He even put a camera in the bathroom on his house. Why? He can see the girls anytime he wants. Smh I seriously would rather just have the main character give up on a harem and be devoted to just one. At this point.

redboar3 years ago

You'd surely hate the 'ultimate' harem ending if I told you how it went. Even I was taken aback when I unlocked the scene, and boy was it long and gratuitous.

Regarding the hidden bathroom camera scene, my guess is that the MC did it for adult video material, that's why it was specific to Uno.

KOKAYI0053 years ago

but the camera was still in the bathroom recording even when Theo and Vera go in and Uno mocks him saying she might tell on him to Vera.

If the ultimate harem with all the girls in the harem ending is them in love, that's fine. I don't mind them all having sex and getting along. What I don't want is degrading themselves, reducing themselves to just sex slaves and acting like animals. I want class. Romance. And yeah sex. But in a tasteful meaningful way. The MC hops back forth being super nice and caring and a gentleman and then a horny pervert bully. Elisa even said this out loud and mused that he was the ultimate lady-killer giving women all they want and best of both worlds. I was blown away by how uncanny it seems to be that no one in the game can have sex without soon after becoming a pet or a slave to the main character.

Who was your favorite girlfriend in the game? Theo and Elisa are still my favs despite all I've seen now.

redboar3 years ago (2 edits)

Just to give you an idea:

SPOILER

The events in the ultimate harem ending occur after a three-year timeskip. For some reason, all seven women are now sharing the same body type, which means Irene and Rachel now have the voluptuous figure and G-cup breasts as Sen/Theo/Vera. The medieval torture chamber in the house is now dubbed as the "training room" and one of the scenes in there involve Rachel and Elisa both straddling on a 'wooden horse'. Meanwhile, Theo, Uno, and Vera are naked inside a prison cell with their breasts peeking out from the gaps of the jail bars. Irene and Sen, wearing only collars, are on a bed in a corner of the room waiting for their turn.

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My favorites are Sen and Theo. I think both women have the best chemistry with the MC, and their rivalry could've been interesting as an overarching plot with proper writing.

KOKAYI0053 years ago (1 edit)

Holy shit... That is not what I want.... Not at all.

How do you avoid that and still romance the girls?

Theo and Elisa are my fav because I like voluptuous classy women that are smart yet still loving. If that ending you're talking about is the "best ending", I'm gonna avoid it like the plague. How can I romance them, and not get that ending but instead just marry them or date them all?

Edit... The MC said he was a gentleman, what part of that ending is gentleman behavior? It's like he went insane with lust and power over these women. And the writer said that the cast "weren't just sluts". So what is up with that ending?

redboar3 years ago (1 edit)

You can probably skip all the harem scenes and endings by avoiding all the harem acceptance triggers (double hearts icon) as much as possible. If I'm not mistaken, the love points is a separate level-up system so you should still be able to raise your relationship with the women individually. Also, I've unlocked the rest of the gallery, and unless there were any scenes of a wholesome relationship ending that have been excluded, I'm afraid they just don't exist.

I've realized early on that it's almost impossible to fail with any woman in the game. There are only two routes to your relationship; either she becomes a sex partner or a romantic interest, with the former leading up to a harem ending. It goes to show that the MC was simply written to be likeable regardless of the choices the player makes, which is really my biggest gripe towards the game. IMO there should be choices that will lead to negative consequences otherwise you're just playing a perfect, infallible character, and there's no fun in that.

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Pokman63 years ago (2 edits)

Yes, I agree with a lot of your point. I just rushed the game after seeing some of those things, just to know the ending. But overall not a bad plot just some things need to be reworked completely.

KOKAYI0053 years ago

Yeah, the dialogue is funny or romantic and sweet at times. But it's those times when the MC, Agang, does things that you have no control or and talks like a stalker or rapist that kill the game for me. For example, he is by now is a relationship with Vera. Even if she is into kinky stuff at home, why come to her job and try to expose her breasts? I picked not to do that. And I'm glad there was no demand that I had to that time. But too often there is no option to not do something. And something they even unrealistically make the girls try to bait you or tease you into doing dumb stuff at work or why tutoring. Are we to believe all of them are so thirsty for sex that they throw their careers away. I just don't see that happening with Theo or Vera. Yet once Theo is in a bad situation and covered in cum before a worker walks in and the main character just runs away and she doesn't even clean it up. She just sits there and says it's spilled milk. They even make it clean the worker knows she's lying or thinks she threw up on herself. The point is, there was no option to take the fall and stay to clean her up. You childishly do the deed in her office then she tells you to leave only to get caught anyway? And this is your wife to be? I wanted to stay, and at least fully clean her up or go out and stall the worker coming in. I wanted to save her dignity. But the game wants Theo and all others to just have the illusion of self respect and pride and it's up to the MC to "break them" and turn them into perverts that do as he says. I wish I had known that before playing the game.

Pokman63 years ago (2 edits)

Well this is the plot for nearly all erotic game but most of them gives you the option to act otherwise at least. But even then it can be made to work this harem thing without "breaking in" the girls and without them acting like sex slut bitches.

I also didn't like that Theo actually never told the MC what happened in school, that they lost their virginity to each other when he was drunk af in high school. And kept telling the MC that a jerk did it in school, but it was him. At least after their marriage (in the good Theo ending) she should have told him.

Well there was a lot of stuff that didn't make sense. I'm pointing these things out cuz i'm sad because this game would have been so much better with just a little different writing.

KOKAYI0053 years ago

In game they say over and over that a chapter 2 segment explains their past in high school. She only doesn't tell him just to likely get people to play thru that chapter.

Ive seen games where you don't break the girls and make them dependent on you. But they weren't really harem games. You can have a harem but it wasn't the focus. Like in Tales from the Void. Or in Once in a Lifetime. Lots of girls like you in both, but they never become shameless sex slaves that live to serve you the second no one is around.

Pokman63 years ago (1 edit)

Yeah I played that, it has actually 3 chapter, but in short it's what I wrote. But it still bothers me that she never tell him about it in the main game cuz the MC doesn't remember. I wanted her to tell him what he did and why he doesn't remember.

KOKAYI0053 years ago

she should tell him, yeah. I cant believe he forgot his first time. Guess he was that drunk.

How do you access other chapters. I have the characters approaching 55 love and 15 harem accepting. Where is the option to see those other chapters?

Pokman63 years ago

those chapter are not for free, check it on patreon, it's 5$

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