Post by ahmwma in Wigglypaint

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Respectfully, I don't think this is true or a good perspective on the situation.

These sites aren't hosting copies made by LLMs. It's always just Wigglypaint from itch.io re-uploaded. The likelihood of a kid with an LLM "accidentally" generating Wigglypaint down to the pixel, every line of code and also the entire Decker software behind it 1:1... it's not reasonable. And I don't think this is a high schooler's misunderstanding either:

1) Some of these sites' owners are easily identified as adults.

2) Some of the sites claim, incorrectly, to be made by Internet Janitor or the "Wigglypaint team".

3) Tons of them are monetized: apps, referral links to other services, ads and offers of partnerships.

And furthermore, sidestepping any software technicalities: Most of them stole art from the artists here on itch.io to fill up their galleries. One of the apps even used these stolen artworks from itch in their promotional screenshots until more artists bought the app and they could use newly submitted work instead.

I just want to be very clear that these larger deceptive sites are not just run by some confused kid.

woodring1 day ago (3 edits) (+5)

Not to jump on the bandwagon to bash - but, to give another supporting perspective on this.

Even if it was an LLM, mistake or not, we shouldn’t support that either.

Silicon Valley has perpetrated en masse plagiarism and are telling us that it’s okay. And, they’re in the process of reselling our culture back to us. That’s… a problem.

Personally, I’ve been directly on the receiving end of plagiarism - where someone has stolen my published work to get an advanced university degree. My institution would do nothing about it and threatened to fire me if I kept pressing. It feels bad man - to have your work claimed by others and be normalized.

I generally give my stuff away - because I don’t care if someone copies it or learns from it. But, most people want to be recognized for their work, even if that doesn’t result in compensation. I feel good when someone uses something that I made. I’ll keep my copyright on things that I’ve put enough work into that I want to say, “I made that, isn’t it cool?”

I think that’s why so many people here in the Decker community are anti-AI/ML or are standing up for anti-plagiarism: it’s because we want to share - we want to see someone enjoy something we’ve made. And so, it feels awful when someone else claims your work as their own; LLMs or otherwise, no matter the circumstances.

Plagiarism should never be okay, no matter what form it comes in. Even if it’s a mistake, it’s wrong and we can say it’s wrong.

boukew10 hours ago(-1)

Thanks for the reply! This can be the case as well, I haven't done thorough research when making the previous statement. I think t's good to discuss this and come up with a solution to honour the authors of the software as its a widespread issue.