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Um. No, I can comprehend just fine, sir. 

But that is NOT the point of AVNs. The key is the A bit. 

There's plenty of great games which just use the VN format. Once you add the A bit, you are stuck either narratively, in regards to the adult content, or stuck in regards to narrative strength. They tend, as I just explained, to not be conducive to each other. 

A strong narrative, often means the story finds ways to juts ease in the adult content naturally, and logically, dictated by the story......  but that often means paltry amounts of adult content, often done poorly, without the focus and care it should have. 

A game with a lot of adult content, covering all kinds of fetishes and taboos, by necessity often has to have some fairly absurd, at the least, writing, often times some unbelievable crazy premises, and tenuous associations and logic....  otherwise the scene cannot be set for that intense BDSM Orgy that is a thing in the game... along with many others. 

About the ONLY games which do both naturally, are games where the sexual nature of the MC, or the ultra sexualized nature of the world, are CORE traits not only to the character and world, but the main story plot itself. BUT, that is VERY limiting. 

So, what side should the AVN author fall on? 

It is an A VN, not a VN... the game is meant to be an adult game, with adult content. Adult content at the expense of narrative strength ALWAYS WINS as far as I am concerned. 

Maybe you are playing the wrong kind of games? Perhaps you should seek more mainstream VN format games. 

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Personally, I play AVNs for both the adult content AND substance. While this game has really great visuals, it has zero substance. The two are not mutually exclusive as you claim it to be.

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Depends on how vanilla you want things to be.

The more perverted, kinky, depraved and taboo the sex gets, the more contortions needed in the narrative. 

If the MC is a guy in an Office, or College... doing the rounds.. with the women... playing the field.... in ways that one might, proper consideration of power dynamics and imbalances, State regulations and workplace laws, company/institutional policies, etc etc.... the narrative can have solid substance. 

If the MC is hate-fucking his twin sister, for the role of Harem leader, of a Harem that included his Submissive, painslut Bimbofied mother, his Aunt that is Bi switch, hetero Sub, Lez Dom with a thing for barely adult waif women including her own daughter, his College History professor with her Fantasy Cosplay kink, his BLACK Law Professor who loves being treated like a literal 19thC American Plantation Slave with not only the r*pe, but corporal punishment and dominance through violence, as well as his Doctor, whose got two gorgeous nurses, a hot AF receptionist, and a beautiful partner in her practice who she's all gotten secretly addicted to something to coerce in to being sexual service animals for the MC who she psychotically, obsessively, sexually worships as a God.....   well, NO, you CANNOT do substance... at least REALISTIC substance too much. You both have to have moral contortions, tenuous associations and justifications, ultra unrealistic predicates, the flimsiest and longest bows being drawn to make it all happen, AND use it to sew together the copious amounts of depraved perverted sex. 

Sorry, I TAKE THE LATTER EVERY TIME. 

In ANY scenario WORTH my time, and I find the latter ones FAR MORE worth it than the former, the story is ALWAYS going to be subordinated to the Sex, and that comes at the expense of substance... and I AM SO THERE FOR THAT.