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So when will someone actually talk to the people making the decisions and get an update or clarifications?

Right now the threat is for all historic sales to be refunded which means the only safe way for creators to avoid getting hit with potentially thousands of dollars of refunds is to disconnect their payment details and effectively shutter their games just in case. Every dreg of information coming through seems to make it more and more likely that creators will get screwed and nobody seems to care enough to actually find out what is going to happen.

The "available information" is poor. Even the new restricted content list is so vague in places that its hard to tell what actually is prohibited:

  • Bestiality or animal-related

The first part is clear, but the second part could mean anything is banned, from furries to farming sims to things like The Witcher.

What seems clear is that the people in charge are aware of how vague the rules are and are deliberately being vague so they can hit creators with thousands of historical refunds without warning people it'll happen. Which has basically turned indie development here into a real risk of bankruptcies and debt because the rules suddenly changed. Plus if creators have paypal set as their payment details, Paypal only allows up to 180 days for refunds, so if the plan is just to charge people for stuff beyond that, it'll be in breach of Paypals terms as well.

Again, with respect, someone needs to actually talk to the people up top and get clarifications because this has serious ramifications  for a lot of people and the miniscule amount of actual information is crap.

Our admins chime in every few hours. They're aware that the community expects answers. So far they haven't said when we can expect official clarifications.

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In that case the only reasonable response to protect myself as a creator is to disable sales and downloads for my games and disconnect payment processors.

If Itch can suddenly ban a game and refund all sales for it then keeping sales, downloads and a payment processor is just unsafe and risks permanent financial damage. At this point its clear that Itch is keeping quiet about it simply because they want to hit creators with these refunds before they have a chance to do anything about it. Commit to refunds but push the costs onto the creators in a way that eases the financial burden on Itch while throwing people who sold their games in good faith under the bus.

I'd recommend all creators who had their games delisted should do the same until their game is either restored or banned.

That would be unfair for those who can access the games still and had purchased (unless you mean downloads without claiming)

It just stops new purchases. People who have bought it can still download.

I think creators should be more proactive letting those who had purchased that their downloads are safe. For there are people who can't find a game in search and assume that they can't download anymore and may try to chargeback or request a refund for something they still own. (Another problem area is that a lot of people ASSUME that a game that they downloaded without purchasing or claiming was in their library)

Well, unfortunately, until itch bothers to make any kind of clarifications, the risk of losing literally everything I own is not worth keeping the game available for sale. I'm living paycheck to paycheck and game sales helped a bit but not enough to make much of a difference in finances. But it's been a slow trickle for 3 years which adds up to a decent amount of money. Based on what itch have said so far, if my game gets removed, I could be liable to repay that entire whack in one go without even being able to argue my case. I know my game doesn't have the banned content, but when they have 21k games to vet, they're not going to bother looking too closely at each one before banning something off of first impressions.

Them forcing a refund for 3 years of sales would literally bankrupt me, and I suspect a lot of others will be in the same position.

I've been working on this thing for 3 years, I don't want to take the thing down, but if its a choice between letting people download it or being made homeless, then the game is the one getting it until the situation gets clarified. Creators need to put themselves first and not risk their actual lives by crossing their fingers and hoping their game escapes.

I'm not arguing that creators need to keep something up for sale, or that creators need to stay in business with itch if they feel like they just can't afford to do so. But they should honor the support by users (provided that they could prove purchase or ownership in their account)