And feminist wonder why young men and men in general are becoming anti-feminist and being anti-woman and flock to RP, man0sphere, walking their own way, and viewing and3w t@te, and F&F content and spaces. Collective shout is creating the very same thing they were trying to avoid and prevent.
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This isn't the attitude of most feminists, that's just weird GGer rhetoric.
No, these are weirdos. There was an event in political history called the feminist sex wars where most people took pretty normal attitudes about things and then a group of hardliners with dogshit opinions decided sex workers were "hurting the cause" and porn was "inherently degrading towards women". These people ended up teaming up with Christian extremists to push anti-porn laws, but have been an increasingly shrinking political fringe group most people don't take seriously in feminist spaces or are actively hostile towards in those spaces.
It's why the group was only able to get about a thousand people internationally to commit to this call and email campaign; because they're fucking losers.
BUT this group carries on the tradition of working with extremist Christian lobbying groups that are much larger. Also probably helps the group is weirdly anti-abortion, which is a hot take that will get you in DEEP shit with most feminists.
In feminist circles, these people are called SWERFs. Sex Exclusionary Radical Feminists. The group also works with a publication that are called TERFs, Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. These people are not welcome in most modern feminist circles. They are, however, really fucking loud and really willing to work with far right groups to signal boost their bullshit.
Which is to say, this isn't a reason men are going down alt-right type pipelines. It never has been. And most people would love if SWERFs would shut the fuck up. We're in this hell together.
"really willing to work with far right groups to signal boost their bullshit"
Because they are the same. I have no problem to work with myself.
I agree with everything but the last paragraph:
"Which is to say, this isn't a reason men are going down alt- right type pipelines. It never has been."
That is simply not true. There are plenty feminist that are spiteful and misandristic, that openly mock if men decide to show vulnerability. They absolutely contribute to that pipeline, and it is a problem. Men need to call misogynistic crap out in their own group, women must do the same, or else it becomes a perpetual cycle and the culture war just festers further. That's a responsibility we *all* have.
And claiming 'collective shout' is just a brilliant move by the far right, a trojan horse that achieves their goal for them and -as seen by the original reply- fans the culture war, distracting from themselves even further.
This IS what they want, these creeps want more chaos like the things you mentioned. They are feeding on that to get their censorship agenda momentum. They've been backed by the same groups and organizations that rescued the former Romanian felon. It's all a front to drum up outrage and ban adult content. It's just the new Satanic Panic moral purity nonsense.
they are feminist because if you look at their webpage its littered with misandry. Also there is nothing republican or conservative about this group, because they just took their twitter page private since they got blasted and ratioed because the main member of the group tried to defend the movie "cuties" there's no defending that movie lol.
as a trans woman... no. i felt depressed when i was living as a guy, but this is because i had dysphoria all the time. on the whole my quality of life was substantially better if we leave out, yk, the depression caused by dysphoria. you arent entitled to other peoples' attention if youre a prick, and if i had to guess people see you saying things like this and go, "huh, this sounds like the kind of person who'd do a hate crime or sexual assault, because they feel they're entitled to my respect and admiration without having done anything to earn it, which means theyll likely get upset if i fail to provide it, and their standards wont be satisfied by me having reasonable boundaries", and they would back away slowly.
Hey so yeah, this is just sexist nonsense.
I only engaged on the hope that people were just unaware of the lore and internal struggles of these movements, but you're just spouting bigoted crap in bad faith and ignoring literally the entire brief history lesson I tried to provide to sit in that hate.
And for the record, Collective Shout received support from Republican based religious extremists orgs as well as similar international conservative orgs during this recent campaign, particularly Morality in Media (renamed for propaganda reasons to National Center on Sexual Exploitation). Collective Shout is also aggressively anti-abortion.
Which, I already explained the history of why SWERFs are joined at the hip to conservative anti-porn groups. But I figure I'll add that clarification of the facts for anyone reading, because you have a clear and frankly hateful agenda that I'm not going to discourage you from.
So first, obviously I personally don't think Collective Shout is Feminist, they're anti-abortion, they're control freaks who want to control how both women and men act regarding sexuality. The issue I have is whether or not something or someone is Feminist can vary wildly depending on the individual.
While Collective Shout will not elicit much debate because they are mostly control freaks very much not wanting to give freedom to any gender, thus a vast majority of Feminists will easily agree that CS are not Feminists, the point you raised on misandry would very much not garner the same widespread approval.
I'd argue a significant part of Feminism is anti-misandry, but clearly the movement has had and still has its part of people acclaiming misandry. That's one of the issues I have with the movement, the definition of what is Feminist and what isn't is different for each individual, and while I do think a vast majority of people identifying with this movement have good intentions, the word "Feminism" can be claimed by a wide array of people who can have conflicting ideas on important subjects; and some people will proclaim that one thing is not Feminism, while others will proclaim it is Feminism.