Like average Ace? What happened?
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Children who were removed from my understanding, ace really overestimates how much you can legally ask for to verify someone is 18+ on discord, you're literally only allowed to use their existing system which is are you 18 y/n
All these servers who do id verification EVEN IF IT IS ONLY DOB WITH NO OTHER INFO, **are going against tos and can get their accounts banned and servers shut down if people report them**
And I'm in that boat of id verifying, i would much rather get my account banned then face a case of soliciting porn to minors
But I'm not going to sit and villainize rahi for not being comfortable with that, rahi is dealing with it in the only way they can while remaining tos complient, this Redick that rahi is **allowing** minors needs to end, no, rahi does not condone minors being in their server and the mod team does deal with those who are found out appropriately
I'll reply to this one since it's the most sane reasoning for an argument against me.
I'm aware that having invasive checks for a government ID on a discord server is a bad idea and discord has it in their TOS as a bad thing that can get you exploded.
I've already explained in my big post this isnt what I wanted to do if you even could implement it on a server of that scale.
However, after being in that server for enough time, you learn that a bunch of people in there are at the very least, immature, if not minors already. As someone who was a mod in there, however, you can't reliably ban people for being underage based on vibes without causing problems. So, you can only really rely on facts which obviously people can just hide. Realistically, there are 3 things you can ban people over, The Discord "Are you 18+?" prompt which everyone already just can say yes to regardless, someone having their age in their bio, which can also just be hidden, and finally, the person coming forward and admitting either to a friend/partner or to a mod themselves.
The amount of active, regular accounts who would come forward in the time I was still inside the server was provably about 10 and in my own memory, about 20+. A notable one was the incident which got RP as a whole banned from the server. One account acting as Toriel from Undertale would ERP with practically everyone interested for I wanna say like 8 months. Then out of the blue one day they basically wrote a big long "apology" that was basically "I was 16 all along, im cutting all contact, good bye" and left the server like they were some kind of saint. The absolute chaos this caused would be so bad RP as whole would be banned entirely, even though the ban was never officially added to the rules despite the pleading of mods.
Minors are by no means allowed on the server, but you also cant just roll over and let them lie their way into it and do nothing. You gotta act like you care, you gotta put forward that effort. Rahi doesnt want to put in that effort of running a big public server like what she has now. She loves the vibe of a small supporter server, but that's not what she set up and that's certainly not the way things are run.
I'll give an example of that "effort" that doesnt involve minors. SO, the way the server is set up, you have cosmetic supporter roles that dont do anything, they just give a unique role, then you have moderators, and then you have the server owner themself who can do anything. As a moderator, you can mute, kick, and ban, and that is it, you cannot make changes to the server and cannot even talk in the big official channels iirc.
First problem, at the highest number, there have been a total of 3 active moderators and then the owner themself, in a server of several thousand members. Most of those members are inactive, but the numbers simply still dont add up.
And I believe the moderator count is currently down to 2 now. Ever since I left it was a /single/ moderator *until* this recent mod drama started and we got another, which is several months of just one moderator for the whole server.
Second Problem, The moderator role was actually *lower* on the heirarchy list than the *supporter role*, which meant you could have easily just pay for a supporter tier and you became completely immune to all moderation. This was known about for *months* and was just never fixed because the only person could make changes was busy developing a game and thought it would be fine to leave it alone. The only thing that got it fixed was that some troll had come in and did exactly what I just described while Rahi was asleep while I tried to handle the situation as best I could. Once it was over, I finally managed to convince Rahi to change it, so fortunately you can't do this exploit anymore. This is just another example that nothing is ever done about serious problems until its too late.
This is long enough, I'll leave it here.
i actually agree with your argument that rahi doesn't seem to know how to properly run a discord server in that case which.... is bad on its own yes, but from other posts i see about how often rahi is working i definitely think they consider the discord a secondary concern, it probably would be better ran by someone's whos a fan of the game who can dedicate their full time to it
As far as minors that sneak into the server, there's still not alot i can see that can be done, i saw in your other post you were talking about a verified/trusted role, and locking any 18+ content behind it, which i absolutely agree with, most servers that do id verification do this, any server I've attempted to make in the past had this, but again I'm in the id check crowd so thats easy... without checking ids such verification is hard, people can, and will lie about their age, and without something they can give that can directly verify it, or them being honest or having it posted somewhere else, it can be hard to tell becuase there are people underage who can act more mature than people who aren't... so I'm not sure how implementing a barrier like that would work without hard proof
Secondly to that though... is having been in alot of id verify servers means I've seen various levels of security about it, some just going dob, others doing dob and username on a piece of paper, and even the addition of the server name along with those
The most exteme case i saw, had to have all that, your state seal, face on the id, and your Face all in the same picture
And the reason that people go to all these various levels of extremes is because people have used pictures of ids that go around, use a family members, or a fully fake id to get past these checks, it's truely insane the lengths people will go to, in a server I'm currently in that keeps fully nsfw content behind a optional id verification, we had someone come in and open a ticket and ask us about if we keep the pictures of the ids to keep an eye out for them being reused by other people, when they asked id we'd start doing it, we said no, and then they said they were going to put us on blast on some bigger server for not doing that, the policing is literally insane... lol
So, I'm genuinely unsure what the best method of handling it is overall
If you'd like to talk with this about me more, can we add eachother on discord?
ID ver is not only against TOS. But also illegal in many countries.(Like owner of discord can literally be declared a wanted person with sentence up to 20 years for literally having pictures of 30 other people ID`s)
If Rahi would attempt it. They could lose their PayPal, Patreon\SubscribeStar and Google account, not just discord group if anyone decided to seriously pursue this.(and we know stalkers do exist)
Please dont break TOS or laws of your country
P.S. Only thing you can do on discord. If someone say they are not 18 is to ban them on a spot. Thats pretty much it.(since age verification is just yes no thing)
Other tools are either against TOS or against law of certain(many) countries