I kind of like the game, but it makes absolutely no sense why Dave's friends must die. And no sense on how Tanathos is used.
I understand what you mean. But that's not an answer to "how or why?". Why does fate wants them then and there? How the special someone came to the conclusion that killing some is beneficial? And why the fate is sated just by killing someone else? How can there be variance in timeline without the "butterfly effect"? Why doesn't "the vault" work earlier, before all that, to prepare? There are just many questions without conclusive answer.
I feel like you're looking for answers to questions that go beyond what's reasonable for a story. If there weren't certain things to incite things, to create a situation, there'd be no story. I answered someone else's question as to how things work and there's an explanation using quantum mechanics, if that answer helps then that's something I'm already trying to make a bit clearer in-text. If not though, then you're wanting a level of explanation that'd make the story a lot more bloated.
Nah, special quantum mechanics, morphic resonance and even apotheosis don't need explanation because they are fictional things defined in the story. I am just confused by some weird character decisions and unexpected consequences to those. But I understand what you mean, sometimes you need to... stretch your logic for the story to be interesting.
quantum mechanics
Is a real scientific theory. Not just some fiction.
I am just confused by some weird character decisions and unexpected consequences to those. But I understand what you mean, sometimes you need to... stretch your logic for the story to be interesting.
Sometimes we just gotta trust the author and creator of the universe that he does know better than the reader, and accept it. It's nice to have some "nerdy" disccisuion sometimes, but lets be lenien, ok? Stories that involve any kind of "loop"- or "timetravel" mechanic are a slippery slope right from the beginning. I think Grizz handled that very well.
Same goes for explanation: I also like explanation, but dislike endless information-dumps. Also the more information you drop; a) rising follow up questions b) destroying the mystery and room for speculations and....*shrug* fanfictions.
I didn't say quantum mechanics is not a real scientific theory. I said "special" for a reason. And this reason is that quantum mechanics doesn't work how it's described in the story. That's pure fiction.
And no, we don't have to trust that anybody knows better then anyone else without evidence. And there is no timetravel in the story.
You missed my point by a lot. I never said that my problem was with quantum mechanics or timetravel or loops.
I do think we should be lenient, but not that lenient that our brains falls off, but thanks for your unsolicited input.
And no, we don't have to trust that anybody knows better then anyone else without evidence. And there is no timetravel in the story.
You missed my point by a lot. I never said that my problem was with quantum mechanics or timetravel or loops.
Just you missed my points. IMO Asking forscientific detail will lead to an endless Q&A about "fictional" mechanics. The writer of Star Trek and Star Wars also don't explain every thing in detail, because it's hardly relevant. As long as the writer does not flip the universe and disregard it's laws (like the Lightspeed suicide despite the enemies shield and deflector fully operational in Star Wars 8, that totally broke the Star Wars Universe) it's fine.
So i end with requoting Grizz:
I feel like you're looking for answers to questions that go beyond what's reasonable for a story
I think it's better to understand "fate" as a natural phenomenon. It's not that it "wants" someone to die, it just has to happen. If you are really interested "Steins; Gate" is a 24 episode anime with a huge emphasis on this concept. Similar timelines will wield similar results and, while possible, it's very difficult to move to a timeline that will bypass that. The special someone had access to memories of many past iterations and likely came to the conclusion that someone has to die because it always happens. The vault not working earlier because it goes to it's very principle that of unlocking past iterations memories, if something hasn't happened before it's just not going to work. Eventually it reaches a point that it has accumulated enough information that it can work "earlier". As for the "butterfly effect" that theory for time travel is more popular, but it's opposite to the convergence theory on how it functions, i doubt it'd be possible to have both in the same story.
The reader does't know what Thanatos and his Master did behind the scenes and who they were able to trick fate while David senior was not.
Dave was meant to die. Most of the time by getting gun downed or driven over by one of Memphis Goons. as Memphis was destined to kill or order some killing around day 24 to kill.
Speculating:
Thanatos and his Master find a variance to keep Dave alive be bringing him to the mountain. But doing so either result in the Death of everyone, everyone except Dave (and Oswin), or just Dave first followed by everyone else. So someone was killed to appease DEATH, so Dave could live.
Yes, the reader doesn't know, but it would be nice to explain it, otherwise it just creates a plot hole which you can fill with all kinds of farfetched speculations with lots of assumptions. But it's just not satisfying. A more radical example to make my point: Dave was teleported to London without explanation. You sure can speculate how that happened, but that wouldn't be good.