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Okay, I'm not a biblethumper or anything but with all the bible talk in this game, especially with a bible reference Proverbs 13:24, I looked it up and noticed the MC made a false claim.

(Patricia - owner of restaurant close to the school)
"(...)Spare the rod, spoil the child as the bible says. (...) Proverbs 13:24"

(MC)

"A common misinterpretation of that bible verse. The rod mentioned was likely referring to a shepherd's rod or crook. Used to guide sheep not hit them."

Well if you read Proverbs 13:24, it literally says:
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. (King James version)

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. (English standard version)

That verse literally says chasteneth, which is a verb for chastise. To chastise is to punish, to reprimand or criticize severely. In other words, to discipline.

So the rod in question, was literally used for corporal punishment in old times. Its not even open for interpretation, because the writing in that verse is exact writing, not figure of speech or a parable.

unkown142331 year ago(+3)(-1)

bro aint no one playing this game for the bible lmao

artifice231 year ago(+2)

I caught that, too, but, honestly, EVERYTHING the Headmaster does in this game is a misinterpretation of something. He misinterprets and therefore misapplies psychology, theology, philosophy... he's always applying things in the wrong way for his own means. If a person like this actually existed they would be criminally insane. LOL So when he misinterprets a Bible verse, it really shouldn't be surprising.

mactiremor1 year ago (1 edit) (-4)

True, but the message of that bible verse was in his advantage, so I didn't quite understand why he would misinterpret that, to make his argument about punishment weaker.

And yeah I agree, if all this would happen IRL, it would be beyond insane. But the scary thing is, the MC's punishment style is very close to how MK-ultra / MK-monarch works.

altosandherdone1 year ago(+5)

I am also not religious. The headmaster's point was; he believes hitting children (as opposed to young adults) is morally wrong and that the bible doesn't justify it. You say these passages disprove his point, however, all you have proven here is that the bible has been translated many times and the exact wording is very open to interpretation

mactiremor1 year ago(-3)

What you are talking about is figure of speech, parables or stories. Those are open for interpretation. Exact writing on the other hand is taken literally.

In this day and age its considered child abuse to hit your child, in ancient times it was normal to beat discipline and submission into your children. I'm not for child abuse, I'm just saying that with our modern perspective and morals, it's impossible to understand the perspective and morals of the past. You have to look at it through a different lens.

And it doesn't matter how many times a text is translated, as long as the original manuscript where it is translated from, is the same. Then it doesn't matter how you phrase it, it will still tell you the same thing. It can even reveal more about the meaning of the original manuscript, the more it is translated. All you have to do is to compare all translations.

altosandherdone1 year ago(+4)

There is no original manuscript for the bible, and we aren't discussing this in ancient Hebrew. Therefore, to say there is no chance for misinterpretion doesn't really hold water. However, this is hardly my area of expertise so I won't argue the point any further. Besides, I think we are all in agreement with the sentiment I meant to get across, which is that hitting children is bad.

DukeAskalord1 year ago(+1)

Also, any of it can be justified as character flaw. Even if Protagonist was a certified theologist, he might bend truth to his own advantage; and let's be honest, it wouldn't be the first nor last instance of it.

Also also, maybe in their world bible is slightly different. You know, alternative reality and such. And even if not imagine thinking about biblical accuracy in a game with that amount of taking liberties.

quikbrnfox1 year ago

If by the same, you mean assembled by committee after the Council of Nicaea, 300+ years after the new lies, and thousand of years after the old lies, then I'd imagine the accuracy of the translations are only of academic interest, at best, as the best possible view of the underlying text is that the authors meant well with their lies, though I tend to doubt that. That said, if comments like yours result in Ruth abandoning her faith, I am totally down with that.

Elexinia1 year ago

Its not really a misinterpretation of the word Rod.
It was a shepherds crook. It just was also used for beatings as well as herding.

But yes, if you dont discipline your son, you hate him. if you love him, you will discipline him.

For those unaware of the difference between abuse and discipline.
Refer to the teacher and mary incident.
Thats abuse

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