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In general, I don't think it's wise to think in such black and white terms :I

Using AI for programming is very different from using AI in creative works, I think you might want to look into that. I fully agree that AI shouldn't be used for nearly anything art related, there are def. exceptions though, like animation or video editing. Scripts and programs are rarely original anyway, and some stuff is basically impossible to build for yourself without serious help, even if you have experience. Another example: are my 3D models worthless or unethical, if I asked Claude to write me a short script to replace an hour of effing around in Blender each time I need to do the same thing?

HeartSyncProductions16 days ago(+3)

I have looked into it a lot in the past however many years! I'll post the same information I posted on my Tumblr!

Power usage is so bad blackouts are expected to increase by 100X

Data centers used 256 billion gallons of water in 2025 alone

And then, of course, you have the health impacts on the public

This is, of course, just a 101 intro on how bad AI usage and data centers are and what expected future impacts are. I could give you dozens of different sources on this topic alone. My issue with AI is not solely "it's a plagiarism machine" my issue with AI is how it's exasperating a lot of pre existing issues to new levels of bad. My issue is that poor and/or poc areas are being heavily affected (because that's what always happens with these kinds of things. It was the same with factories, now it's the same with data centers).

I'm also not saying I expect people to be able to magically be free of AI, especially with every company on earth shoving it down our throats. However, morally, I refuse to contribute to the issue as much as I can because I have the luxury to do so. I've been able to not touch google outside my work email for years. I don't use microsoft outside of windows, and even then I went into the system and removed Copilot and other AI related material. And now I am in a position where I can move to another engine that is against AI, so I'll do so. Not everyone can do that, and even I cannot completely rid it of my own life. When every website on earth uses AI, that's not feasible and I don't really expect people to. And like I said in the base post, I don't expect people to magically switch from Ren'py, that's crazy, but I personally am able to do so, and so I will.

But with all that said, I'm also not going to give grace to people who willingly use it for convenience. If I have to completely learn a new engine or deal with tedious code, so be it.

My convenience is not worth other people's health and safety.

Patty.Coax16 days ago (2 edits) (-2)

I thank you for the level-headed answer; but that's not what I was saying. I'm aware of how awful the AI industry is, who isn't? (Side note: hate to say this, but I can't really think of any industry that's not harmful and/or unethical in some way, if you can, let me know)

I wrote this: "Using AI for programming is very different from using AI in creative works, I think you might want to look into that." I meant you should know the role of AI in programming today to be able to comment on it. No, you don't even need that, you just have to understand what programming is

"Not everyone can do that, and even I cannot completely rid it of my own life. When every website on earth uses AI, that's not feasible and I don't really expect people to. And like I said in the base post, I don't expect people to magically switch from Ren'Py, that's crazy, but I personally am able to do so, and so I will. "

Look, I'm going to be a bit of a d-ck here, but reading this paragraph...like, what is your point then? Why post this at all? (This is rhetorical question, I don't actually want typed out answers. I want you, and the downvoters to think about it)

(Edits) PS.: For anyone, who is concerned about AI in software:

I thought about this a bit, and there's no way of proving there was no AI assistance used in a contribution to Open Source Software, for example on GitHub. How would anyone prove if a certain person's code submitted was the result of a prompt or not? You literally can't tell! So following your logic, you'd have to boycott/not use all open source software, since there is legit no way of knowing if somebody's contribution to the source code is AI made or not...this category (OSS) includes Linux, Firefox, Discord and even Git and Python...so yeah

(Which makes me wonder: how are y'all so sure that Ren'Py is using AI? ((Which it most certainly does btw! :P)) But what's your source? I presume somebody must have said they did openly?)

Plus as we all know, AI use is absolutely wild in proprietary software development, so sadly, you'll just have to deal with the fact that anything that has to do with programming is done, cooked, thoroughly AI-d. Well, at least you don't have to worry about it anymore I suppose?

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