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I didn't remove 'Gay', I replaced to 'LGBT' to include both G (gay) and B (bisexual), making the tag better reflect the actual content of the game and reduce any misleading impression, and they take it as a sign that I have betrayed the gay community and that I am about to add romanceable female characters to the game, lmao.

And I need to remind you: the game's main page has always said M/M. That means Male/Male. Gay men are Male, and so are bisexual men. So please don't misunderstand M/M as exclusively 'gay' while ignoring bisexual men again.

kinoko2 days ago(-1)

Yeah, I should have made it clear abt that part in the comment, but the thing is, some ppl just play the game and see it all focus on M/M, so they assume it's a gay FVN, and got salty when you said they are confirmed bi.

I think rn you just need to have more bi moments, or express that the characters are bi in the story, to make it clear to the player. Just start saying that they are bi on a post, it's not enough to convince the players. Cuz some ppl just wait for new update on Itch and play, they didn't even care abt reading posts or update on other platforms, lol.

Guilty to say this, but I didn't know abt this drama until you posted it here lol. Abt the bi chars, I never notice if anyone fully express themself as bi, so I just have a huh? moment. Even though I have play this since 2021 and even have a story summary page on Notion (I need to have a job fr fr), but ig the story could have been changed here and there, or it's just too small to notice, so I could have missed it.

But if they hate and you and the game just because of being bi, you should have given them a big "fck off" and ignored them, it never ends well, try to interact with them.

Caro2 days ago (1 edit) (+5)

In fact, they really enjoy characters in the game who already have children—Snow, Axel, Parif, and so on.

But they only see these married men as a fetish to provide sexual arousal for gay men. They've never realized that these characters are actually bisexual.

So when I announced that 'most characters are bisexual'—and that this now includes some unmarried characters—they started to panic.

Because it forces them to connect those characters with the bisexual community, which has been heavily stigmatized in China:

In China, the common argument used against bisexuals is: 'In China, bisexuals will 100% use gay men for emotional satisfaction, then kick them aside and marry a woman to fit back into society.'

This makes them feel betrayed.

And since same-sex marriage isn't legally recognized in China, bisexuals have no real way to refute this.

As a result, bisexuals in China have endured persistent, one-sided abuse and humiliation by both of Straight and Gay people

I made my marriage public precisely to prove that even a bisexual from China can marry a man in a very gay way—to push back against that narrative.

But unfortunately, those people didn't understand what I was trying to say. They think I'm just flaunting my happiness and mocking their struggles, and become really angry and start attacking me.

kinoko2 days ago(+2)

I appreciate the context abt the situation in China. I didn't realize how much weight that 'betrayal' narrative carries there or how personal this is for you and your marriage. It makes sense why you feel the need to push back so hard.

Abt the bi stereotype, I think in my country, some ppl I observe have the same mindset as that too, even though it's not extreme in this situation, they think that "bi ppl just have an easy way out compared to gay ppl, they use gay ppl for a phase/experience, ...".
It's just like one poison apple in a basket full of apples, which make the ppl to reluctant, whether they want to eat the apple or not. Or in the bigger picture, it's like straight ppl agaisnt the lgbtq+ community.

This topic alone is really complex and can't be discussed through some texts, both side have their own reasons. Even I don't know how I would react if one day my same-sex bi partner decides to break up cuz they want to be with someone who can have kids together. But I know that attacked ppl just because you have a happy marriage life are never right.

At this point, the drama is just about them being negative for no reason. It’s clear you’re staying true to the M/M focus while just being honest abt who the characters are. Like I said before, the best way to prove them wrong is to just keep dropping high-quality M/M updates. Actions always speak louder, and you can't be popular with fans without some drama and haters after all.

Cuix1 day ago

as an aside, I find this kind of struggle interesting to explore in the context of vn/fiction, because that allows you to present all sorts of different perspectives with nuance and care

I've read vns that have characters with that mindset of "bisexual people can't be trusted" and I wonder if those characters are a useful way to confront the player, to ask the player "hey is this you? because this is not okay"

or bi characters who -do- choose to live a "straight life", and exploring how they struggle with that, how it makes them feel disconnected from other queer people in their life, how they try/fail/succeed to embrace and express their full self

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