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Thanks for answering. I wasn't really able to understand some of your comments (e.g. "bad tastefully" doesn't say what you found in bad taste, "the 'Rich Shemale' story is self-explanatory" is unfortunately not true for me, etc.). However I did find five comments that were specific enough for me to understand:

mean spirited
objectification and primal, raw, ugly lust
the constant use of the word "faggot"
playing as a male character, the mechanic of them of becoming more and more feminized means more harshly treated and treated like "corruption" and/or something bad
the name in the first place, "Trap"

The common thread here seems to be domination, degradation and humiliation. So I have two followup questions:

(1) Is there anything you take issue with in this game that isn't also in other BDSM fetishes involving harsh treatment, pain, name calling including offensive slurs, whipping, trampling, "force" fantasies, etc.?

(2) Do you have the same opinion of similar non-LGBTQ+ material, for example a mean spirited woman treating a man harshly, objectifying, using offensive slurs, "corrupting" him to be treated more harshly (e.g. by dressing him as a pig or "gimp"), etc?

PS- Regarding autogynephilia, yes I simply meant arousal at being feminized. And thank you for the comment - I see now that I've been using the word incorrectly! I wasn't aware of its real meaning nor its odious origins, but I've done some reading and I am now. For anyone else interested, this journal article was very helpful: https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-AutogynephiliaEmbodiment.pdf

"some people today inappropriately use the term autogynephilia in a manner similar to how I use feminine embodiment fantasies (FEFs) – i.e. to refer to a particular type of sexual fantasy or pattern of arousal that some people happen to experience" ... "autogynephilia is not simply a theory positing the existence of FEFs. Researchers were already well aware of this phenomenon, having previously called it by various names (e.g. automonosexualism, transvestic fetishism, cross-gender fetishism). Rather, what makes autogynephilia unique is that it asserts that there are two fundamentally different types of trans women, each having a distinct sexual cause for their transsexuality"

So basically "autogynephilia" refers to a specific widely disputed theory which declares the reason people transition to be mere fetish gratification. It has no meaning at all in relation to guys like me who have no interest in transition but get off to the idea of growing boobies. Kinda sad because the word seemed like such a great name for the fetish, but obviously I can't use it anymore now that I know its real meaning. Back to just "feminization fetish", I guess..

johnnyjohnsonlongcock14 days ago(+2)(-3)

(1) Honestly everything else done elsewhere and/or in private doesn't bother me, ESPECIALLY in private. So no, while general BDSM isn't my thing, I understand its appeal and pros for the people who practice it. So really less so the content but rather how it's presented in this game, if they're trying to make the game more inclusive than how you execute it is important. If that answers it for you?

(2) No because men have, in my opinion, always been privileged so to me that's WHY less problematic if it's just a guy being treated like shit and doesn't extend to LGBTQT+ peoples or women. Because to me, the fact men are mostly in power excuses pretty much all those elements. Not to mention many of them are transphobic and to be honest, could care less how cis guys are presented, as long as, like I said, the treatment doesn't extend to LGBTQT+ and women.

Thought I said what was in bad taste, and shemale, well, if you didn't know transwomen are either indifferent to that term or when they hate it, they're really, really, REALLY loud about their disdain for that word. If you didn't know, you now know.

As for that word, honestly words have varying meaning so honestly if that word means "guy attracted so much to femininity he wants to look feminine" to you, than that's what you are. Just be aware with how you use that word. Plus, take academics' opinions with a grain of salt. Honestly, use whatever word you want to use: the LGBTQT+ space lends itself to identifying as whatever you want. Plus you could make the same argument, like they do in academics, about what "nonbinary" is so yeah, refer to yourself as whatever you want.

If anything, that should just serve as a indicator of how much more you and people who criticize me has got to learn.

djstaircase1 day ago(+1)

From your answers it seems to me like you're not OK with humiliation and degradation fetish content when LGBTQ+ people or women are in the submissive role. This is ironic to me considering your apparent desire for inclusivity. Maybe you're not aware that people enjoy being in those roles (and fantasizing about being in them) in BDSM fetish play?

Also I noticed that you still use a lot of vague phrases like "how it's presented", "how you execute it" without saying what you mean. As I was wondering if there's a reason for that, I read this statement: "Because to me, the fact men are mostly in power excuses pretty much all those elements. Not to mention many of them are transphobic and to be honest, could care less how cis guys are presented, as long as, like I said, the treatment doesn't extend to LGBTQT+ and women."

Wow. Again you seem to think depiction of a person in a humiliation role is something bad that would need to be "excuse[d]".. but then shockingly you say you don't care if that person is a cis man because "many of them are transphobic"?! I truly hope that nobody ever paints you with as broad a brush as you have just painted most men, and that nobody ever uses that prejudice to justify indifference toward your (perceived) suffering or harm.

Thanks for answering my questions but I'm not going to continue this conversation further. I'm really not a fan of this kind of thinking. I think I understand why you avoid stating your actual opinions plainly -- when laid bare they're not so kind.

Tynach5 hours ago

I get the impression that they have some sort of subconscious self-hatred going on. After all, they're here, and they've indicated they've played the game in some of their responses.. But they advocate for changing the game to make it 'less mean' toward LGBTQ+ people.

This leads me to suspect that they subconsciously feel ashamed of themselves for having enjoyed this content in the past, and have seen bad actors use content like this to persecute LGBTQ+ people.. And that's led them to conclude that this sort of content is what's causing people to not support LGBTQ+ people's rights.

The problem with that is that they're giving credibility to the source of that hatred. Bigots that are against LGBTQ+ rights won't be okay with letting a 'non-perverted' version of the LGBTQ+ community exist, because to those bigots the very definition of every form of the LGBTQ+ movement is perverted. Trying to tame the LGBTQ+ movement and make it 'less perverted' is not going to appease the bigots, and is only going to weaken the entire LGBTQ+ movement.

I've hopefully at least started to convince them of this (as they've not responded to any of my posts for a few days now, while previously they responded every day), but it could also be they've simply been trolling and doing exactly what I described to them (about bigots posing as LGBTQ+ people and sowing seeds of in-fighting by trying to rally other LGBTQ+ people against the 'more perverted' LGBTQ+ people).. And when they realized they couldn't actually refute the arguments I presented without making that more obvious, decided to quit before they got further behind.

I hope that's not the case, and that it's just that they have some subconscious self-hate and shame that was planted in them by such trolls, and are now realizing what they've been doing and are quitting before they make things worse while they think things over.

Or it could be that they have a good guess about which other communities I'm in that I mentioned vaguely, and that made them uncomfortable with chatting with me. Which is honestly understandable, though a little sad.

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