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Nah, It was already mentioned during the conversation in a resturant between Him, Ayase, Yuka, & Her. After he find out his sister were in a bad state and want to thank her for protection Yuka. So, he invited her and that's how they talk about what happened.

(It's just you, who missed that part).

Also, game is not ruined it's up to decide who you want to love or not. I know she is a sex worker but just look at her situation or how she is living. If you can't love her then atleast be a friend who can support her.

Even, I was not happy and who would be? Life is not same for everyone. That's the reality.

SafeForSure62 days ago(+5)(-4)

You are wrong because I trusted the dev to have proper tags on their Patreon pages. So they take my money every month then they add this crap. Also when I heard from another dev on a forum about the "technical not NTR" they had planned out for Hina I lost all my trust in this game developer. I pay and play games to enjoy myself I don't play games to fix broken whores in games but just to have a escape from every day crap. If they wanted this they should have made it clear and I wouldn't have given them my money.

KaizenVorn60 days ago (1 edit) (+3)(-5)

You should read the message Regarding Chika!

KS: "My game has its own unique audience. So for those who don't like it, you got like at least 1000 other AVNs to try, no need to leave useless hateful comments or reviews about that one thing you don't agree with(the toxic players). Provide some actual feedback please.

Whatever the case is, I stand by the story I’m creating, I don’t really care if some fainthearted players don’t like it because they can’t take it. If they’re not willing to try to see past their own prejudice and judgment, and watch how the story plays out, then I don’t really want them to play my game either. This is clearly not for them.

People will keep talking, while I keep cooking."

SafeForSure60 days ago(+4)(-4)

That is the reason he should use the right tags. Also why are you all over the comment section defending the developer?

Distant100miles46 days ago(+3)(-2)

He is one of the brown noser classic cucks that defend devs who do NTR shit.

SafeForSure46 days ago(+3)(-2)

Yeah he defending this with his life. It's not defendable putting us up with a whore.

Stupid Shadow Gaming35 days ago(-1)

Ahem, says the whore.

TheGeeb8155 days ago(+2)(-1)

Not sure if I'm misremembering or not but that conversation mentions how they are rumors. How people SAY she does that.

The definition of rumor is: "a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth."

I.e. possibly false. Something that may not be true at all.

You make it sound like it's a fact that she's a prostitute, when it's not. Rumors can be TRUE OR FALSE. And I'm a firm believer in the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing so I tend to not make judgements without proper evidence, or at the very least keep my judgments light as well as give the benefit of the doubt, and the fact that it is stated as a rumor helps take some of the suspicion away...

Until Chika comes out of a love hotel with a random guy a day or two after her first H-scene...

THAT would be the "until proven guilty" part. It is impossible to deny the evidence your own eyes give you. She comes out of a love hotel... with another guy. Ergo the prostitute rumor is then confirmed to be true.

That wouldn't be as much of a problem IF it was properly built up to. I've mentioned this in a comment I made 2 months ago, but I'll mention it again. I believe those rumors aren't found anywhere else outside of that exact conversation which represents a massive missed opportunity by the dev. Players first see Chika as a goth who is closed off and apprehensive about friendships. When this random "rumor" is then confirmed to be true a day or so after her scene, it blindsides people because they only just discovered it moments ago. Throughout the game leading up to that point, you find NOTHING about that rumor. NOTHING hints that Chika is a "prostitute." It practically doesn't even exist until SHE HERSELF mentions it RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

At the very least characters should've been talking about the rumors throughout the game, which would then allow more of a story buildup as well as an opportunity for the dev to add in hints as to why the quotes around "prostitute" matter instead of the "just trust me bro" excuse that the dev is currently using. That way the players could possibly discover the hints and then build theories around the whole thing. It'd foster engagement in the community instead of discourse like it is now as well as create more trust with the dev overall. Right now all we can do is wait until 0.4 releases and replaying the game right now yields no additional insight into why it's "prostitute" and not prostitute. 0.4 will essentially be the "make or break" update for many people. Resulting in either people forgiving the dev, or a mass exodus away from the game. Plus there's the fact that his trust has dropped in the eyes of many, which I can see resulting in accusations of the dev rewriting Chika's story in some way or another.

Stupid Shadow Gaming35 days ago

No, towards the end of the most recent version, she confirms herself that it is true. She explains the circumstances that got her into such a situation, and the player character offers to help her get a normal job and says he'd rather not see her working like this.

He even helps her confront her dad, and I have a feeling your assistance will bare fruits(meaning she'll get a normal job) in the next update. If not, idrc as I personally am not looking at her as a potential love interest.

I'm assuming in later updates, if you help her, she does eventually stop being a prostitute, but given that's her main issue at this point, I'm not sure how KS will make her story still matter after that.(I mean the message will still matter, but what will her story and conflicts be after she stops?)

TheGeeb8135 days ago

Before her H-scene she herself confirms the rumors, that is correct, then an extra layer of proof is added when you see her exit a hotel with a client a little while later. But the conversation that Kaizen was talking about was a conversation between MC, Ayase, Yuka, and Chika in a restaurant, NOT the one between Chika and the MC in the MC's apartment.

This is where the "Not sure if I'm misremembering or not" part of my comment comes in as I haven't replayed that specific conversation (the restaurant one), but I believe that in the restaurant conversation she simply mentions that there are rumors going around school about her. Kaizen, was acting as if at that point in time, those rumors were 100% proven true simply because Chika mentioned them. She basically said something like "people are saying I have sex for money" and Kaizen took that as her pretty much saying "I DO have sex for money. It's 100% confirmed true." Kaizen was then using that as evidence that Chika's "prostitution" was already mentioned when at that specific point it was nothing more than a rumor.

My comment was pointing out how those "rumors" don't exist BEFORE that conversation in the restaurant, when Chika brings them to your attention. NOBODY mentions them UNTIL THAT POINT. Which is one of the reasons why the players are upset as it feels like it comes out of literally nowhere with absolutely zero buildup. When they get to the restaurant and Chika mentions the rumors, the average player (me included) is most likely thinking something along the lines of "Oh, they're just rumors, surely the story will involve us proving that they're false." Only to be severely disappointed when the story then proceeds to double down on the rumors by instantly confirming them to be true a short while later.

Also it's important to note that KS says the quotes around "prostitute" matter, so I don't know what the hell that means.

Stupid Shadow Gaming34 days ago (2 edits)

Yes, Kaizen was talking about that scene in the restaurant. Then you went on to explain what a rumor is and said "It's not a fact" so I sought to correct that.

Y'know, because it is a fact.

But yeah, at that point in time it was unknown. However, it was still mentioned. Also I'm guessing Yuka recounted the flashback word for word so technically both of you know she said "Dangerous people pay to sleep with me" when she saved your sister.

It was actually MC and Yuka who had the doubts and assumed she was simply saying that to scare off the other girls. Chika herself however was honest the entire way through. When she confirmed it later on, it's because she knew you had doubts about what she herself said being true.

Also, that's not exactly something that needs buildup. She said it in a natural situation. Y'know, girls being toxic to other girls about who the latter slept with.

That gets it out of the way, and gives a little insight about why she feels the need to stay away from other people.

And then clearing up lingering confusion and misunderstanding.

Players are actually upset about the fact she's a "main girl" that you can "pursue" and a prostitute.

And some even claim that they didn't know until after the h scene. Which you know isn't even correct.

TheGeeb8127 days ago

I feel like I'm repeating myself man. Just read my comment from 3 months ago, I believe I explained it better there. But I guess I'll try again (again) (again).

It's BOTH. She's a main girl who isn't initially portrayed as a prostitute. The rumors only appear FROM HER AND ONLY HER, so when she eventually says she's a prostitute (and it's then made 100% irrefutable shortly after when she exits a love hotel.) people are disappointed, frustrated, angry, devastated, etc. The buildup would've softened the blow, substantially, hence why I say it's necessary.

IF the rumors were propagated throughout the game as conversations you either have or overhear, then people would begin to deduce something, they'd begin to piece things together and make their own deductions about it. Once again repeating myself, THE RUMORS ARE ONLY TALKED ABOUT BY CHIKA HERSELF. So when she confirms the rumors ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER INTRODUCING THEM and then SHE IS SEEN EXITING A LOVE HOTEL (making her confirmation 100% irrefutable) that's going to upset people.

Here's an example that's mildly exaggerated (replace 20+ hours with 5 to 10+ hours to remove the exaggeration): You pursue a specific love interest's route in a VN throughout the entire game. She's, in your opinion, the hottest character in the game. Then after almost 20+ hours of gameplay, picking all the right options, and dealing with all her trauma/story, you finally get the option to ask her out, so you do. She then proceeds to tell you that she isn't interested because she's 100% a lesbian and has absolutely no interest in men. Surely this is false, right? About 10 minutes of gameplay later, she then introduces you to her girlfriend and actively makes out with her in front of you. You are COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED and FEEL LIKE YOUR TIME HAS BEEN WASTED. You spent HOURS of your life getting invested in this characters story, only to then have your hopes shattered when she randomly reveals something that completely changes her character, frustrated you replay the ENTIRE GAME and find ZERO CLUES TO HER IDENTITY.

(If you find "lesbian" to not be a valid example and as such it hinders your understanding, then replace the word "lesbian" with ANY OTHER CHARACTER TRAIT THAT WOULD RUIN SAID CHARACTER FOR YOU. For example: replace "lesbian" with "has a penis" or something else)

Does that example help you understand why people are mad? Or should I just give up completely? Also, once again, I recommend reading my comment from 3 months ago as it is sufficiently better written as I was not moderately upset from repeating myself nor was I sick (got the flu, but it's basically gone now).

Stupid Shadow Gaming25 days ago(-1)

Wow man. Screaming. Once again, it was mentioned when she was first introduced. Usually in a story whenever a character like her is introduced, they arent lying. That being said, during my personal playthrough, every interaction I had with her, I had that claim in mind. Sure were there doubts? A little. But I didn't put my money on "Oh yeah they're just rumors."

The more interactions she had, the more I learned about her, the more certain I was that it was true.

That's how it was for me. And when she finally revealed it, it was more of a "I mean I already knew that this whole time, but I still want to help you. This isn't all about sex."

Not sure how no one else had that thought process but then again, you're correct. They wouldn't see that or think that, or analyze mc's interactions with her that way because they're all gooners first, rational human beings second. Just saying. No need for the screaming, I just find it odd they all simply brushed that off then got mad that they THEMSELVES decided to brush off a fact that was increasingly obvious as time goes on.

Also, skill issue. There were definitely clues. In the way she acted. The way she held herself. What she would say, and the fact she was so reserved. A lot of which I mentioned in my first response. It wasn't out of nowhere, and it actually had decent buildup. If you couldn't see that build up, then like I said, skill issue.

Sure even if you can argue they didn't know before that scene at mc's apartment, the sex scene still only came as a drunken impulsive offering of sex RIGHT after she literally admits it. Which shows they didn't read it, then proceeded to get upset when they saw her leaving the hotel. Also they should realize that sex, free sex, doesn't mean the girl owes you full exclusivity. Perhaps you should get to know her better AND THEN talk about being exclusive. Or hell, help her to get out of that life? Y'know like the game was getting you to do? Cus it also wasnt even a spontaneous "I don't wanna be with you"

It had always been "I'm not interested in a relationship with you, I actually don't really want to be with you" and it's not at the stage where ANYONE could really think "I picked all the right answers" cus all the "right answers" as of yet have led to you being seen more as a FRIEND. You only met her a week before the end of that chapter as well man, tf.

Truly decent people woulda rejected the sex offering, went to check on her after seeing her at the hotel to see if she was alright, and continued onwards as her friend trying to help her get a better life.

TheGeeb8125 days ago (1 edit)

Few things I wanna clarify. The ALL CAPS are meant as emphasis for important parts of my comments as I tend to struggle when it comes to properly explaining things, thus I put some words in CAPS, bold, underlined, italics, and whatever else I can do to emphasize their importance. Guess I should've used less caps in that reply, my bad. In addition I happen to struggle with social cues, so I guess I'm sorry for not picking up on any subtleties in her conversations? And good for you for doing so. I'm proud of you for that. Pat yourself on the back for that too.

But even then half of that just... Isn't really buildup? She's reserved. So is every shy character, that doesn't mean they're all prostitutes. And the rest of that isn't really any indication either which makes me feel like it's a bit of a stretch. Those can all be descriptors of someone's personality, not exactly their role/job/occupation. That doesn't necessarily indicate/buildup to her being a prostitute. It instead builds up to her actual background (Abusive father, dead mother, bullied, etc)

And for clarifications sake, I declined that offer at the cost of missing a scene in the gallery but ehh whatever, can always replay and get it. And I do completely agree with those last few points though. The hate IS a bit extreme, especially when it isn't necessarily NTR, UNLESS you accept her offer. But then again, this IS an adult game. And USUALLY in adult games picking "yes" to sex IS the right option, unless it's something like "I'd like to stop here." So it's fair to assume that the people getting genuinely upset, made that same assumption and picked "yes" BECAUSE they though it was worth more than saying no. Also I in fact mentioned that the MC was more of a friend in a reply to Comfy Cherry 8 months ago. Around the time of the H-scene the MC is more of a close friend of Chika's, whether or not she really WANTS him to be. But he does know her whole situation/past AND wants to help her so the MC is basically making himself a close friend of hers (cause he genuinely wants to be)

Anyways, it looks like this has the potential to devolve into a string of endless insults instead of actual meaningful conversation so this is my final reply in this thread.

Stupid Shadow Gaming25 days ago (1 edit) (-1)

Except she's reserved not in a shy way. And nowhere did I say anything about her being reserved being telling of her occupation. I guess I coulda worded it better, but I had meant that it made her claim of being a prostitute more plausible the more you talked to her. She says certain things, acts certain ways, etc. And while those alone don't indicate "Oh hey look, a prostitute!"(That would be a very odd way to look at things), that stuff paired with the fact that she even mentioned it in the first place should be enough for you to consider that as a possible truth.

In fact if a character themselves says something about themself, occupational, personal, social, etc. the best thing to do is treat it as true, or as a huge possibility, until proven false. Not the other way around.

Then you can use that along with certain social cues, behaviors and anything else in order to further your reasoning to prove or disprove whether or not it might be true. And do that until you get to a point where you see the character in the act(So you wouldn't be so surprised) or they flat out just tell you and perhaps even present some proof. For example, her talking about her father. She's done that. Did that way before you talk to her after you see her leaving the hotel.

The information she gives you, about how she lives, what her dad does, etc. should've been even more of a reason to believe that it may be true. So yeah, there was a ton of buildup, cues, hints and her flat out saying it to let you know that maybe she really is a prostitute.

Cus obviously she's not just a prostitute cus she likes it. She kind of has to in her situation. Unless you thought she was lying to you about her dad? (Which can't even be a possibility since you literally see first-hand how her dad treats her in that scene right before she sees that the cat followed her home and you offer to let her walk under your umbrella). That being said, as I've said before, tons of cues and hints to the fact she could be a prostitute.

We have:

- Rumors (Not hard proof but that's a start.)

- Behavioral Cues

- Situational Cues

- Circumstantial Cues

- Her literally saying it

And more. To say there was no buildup is just.. incorrect. It wasn't sudden. It was a "show, don't tell" kinda situation.

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