Quickly paid the lowest thing just to read it, so I got you:
"I am sorry to write this, but with a recent family death and the issues we faced at launch I just don't have the strength to work on this anymore, it just isn't what I want to do. I thank you all for supporting and for enjoying the game that we could at least do. The discord is closed, please make sure to unsub I don't want anyone paying for a project that isn't happening. Goodbye."
Everything else on the patreon seems to be gone, it's just one post. No comments
Sheesh, I only found Sunken Veil the other day and thought "Huh, this looks very familiar", now this happened.
Heya, joined the "Sunken Veil train" in the beginning when it was still a "fanwork".
Thing is, much of the development's direction can be attributed to Numerical, the previous lead who has - as you can obviously see - just bailed out of the project in rather spectacular fashion. You can ask Del himself but one can say the communication was "lackluster".
While the game had pivoted away from a "mere" fanwork to an actual "new game", I agree it still contains way too many "original" elements to be wholly separate. That said, much of the game has literally been reconstructed in a new engine so I'd say it's not a carbon copy.
Right now however, given that it's literally the day after and the project is picking itself up, they can genuinely start on new bases given enough time.
Yeah, it was just strange. It's easy to say what the "Problems at launch" were, but if that passing family member part is true I hope they're doing ok.
I think most people would agree that being inspired by someone else's creation is completely ok. If you wear that inspiration on your sleeve, it's almost a wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of thing.
If it's getting any closer towards 'a copy', then it should be expected that one would ask permission.
Honestly, I liked Sunken Veil's original stuff. Their animations were smooth, well detailed too. But... it's literally just Salvor Deep with minor differences. Same level layouts, encounters, characters, mechanics, story beats: everything just had a bit of extra 'spice'.
If I was told it was a mod, I'd believe it. The dev should have either:
- Adapted some ideas from Salvor Deep and made their own game about lewd deep sea diving.
Or
- Be very open and honest about it's usage of Salvor Deep and got some kind of "go ahead" from Delusria.
I think in the end the dev bit off more than they could chew, so I hope they learn from this.
I'm another person who had been following Sunken Veil since its inception as a fan game and from what I've seen, both sides are suspect.
I bought Salvor Deep soon after it released and ever since have checked Delusria's twitter, this itch.io page and the game's Steam discussions daily for any updates or news. Same goes for Sunken Veil; ever since the first posts on reddit, I've checked the dev's reddit account daily for updates and news.
Delusria should have been aware of Sunken Veil since its dev told very early in reddit comments back in June that he allegedly had had Delusria's go-ahead for the remake. Whether he ever got a permission for a larger scope reimagining is another matter.
There also was a comment here on itch made in August where someone asked if Delusria knew about Sunken Veil. Delusria answered yes. The post was deleted recently, which is suspicious.
If at any point Delusria wanted to denounce the project for not having his permission, he could have done so. Yet publicly, he had chosen to let it be. And now that Sunken Veil's public demo got released, his only public assent to knowing about the game (to my knowledge) vanishes and he's acting surprised that a remake-turned-fan-game is similar to its originator.
The Sunken Veil dev could have been lying too, for all that I know, and all this is hard to prove now that most evidence has been deleted. But I don't think Delusria has been completely honest either.
@ncn Your lack of info is causing you to make a lot of incorrect assumptions here.
You're not talking about Sunken Veil, you're talking about Salvor DEEP: Resubmerged.
Please do not attempt to start arguments on my store page. Normally I would delete a post like this, you can bring your questions to my discord server and I will answer them when I log on, but I will remove things here if you continue.