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Berek07157 days ago (5 edits) (+1)

Option 1 (evil by incompetence): Play the Selye Route by letting Thane die right at the start of the game.

Option 2 (evil by betrayel): Play the Lizard Route

- Act1: Kill Lizard Spy.

- Act2: Help Selye and the Lizard Trio to kill the Bulls

- Act3: drop the Bomb on the Lizard Village

- Act4: Give Fruits to the Lizards to secure the Lizard Route

- Last Act: Join the Lizards and kill the Bull Tribe with shaddy tactics.

Why is the Lizard Route the most Evil?? (Opinion) :

a) By Joining the Bull Tribe, they become your brother and sisters in arms, your new familiy. Thane is your "brother"! Betraying your family is definitly evil. Technically: Disobeying Axel's orders is insubordination. But being an outsider Axel is very linient with Eyvind, below his rude exterior. Nauxus appearing more friendly is manipulativ.

b) During the Bull-Route the Lizard Village got destroyed by Fire accidently. Meanwhile the Lizards (tried) assasinate Axel, then slaughter all Bovine. The few Suvivors are forced to march through Gudan and the hostile Ice Desert...

c) The Lizards invaded first and declared war. They are the aggressors and basicly bad guys. Combined with b) the Lizard are the actuall bloodthirsty ones.

Gudan:

- During the reading session with rasmus, agree with him that survival is the only thing that matters.

- Encourage Rasmus to take revenge after his trail.

- Intimidate the poor Frode to change his vote

- Kill at least five Mole Warrior, before the voting Process

Круто156 days ago

I absolutely agree that the plot with the lizards is evil. Naxus constantly tries to seduce Euclid and force him to fight on his side, while he does not even apologize after the ritual to recruit lizards from the swamp. Euclid, under poisoning, must look for flowers, while Naxus had an idea about this and took the antidote. Okay, fighting there is a common thing, but such surprises, and then he walks around offended. If you follow the plot path of Thein, then he will not even want to apologize right away, continuing to hold on to the place of the leader of the reptiles. Naxus angered me much more than Axel. Axel at least after saving the children admits his mistake and even seems to address Euclid by name.
Although I still have doubts about the fact that near the village of bulls, Euclid is still attacked by warrior bulls, despite the fact that he is a close associate of their boss. In the village of lizards, at least it was explained by a civil war, but Naxus at the beginning still said that these lizards can be killed better, so that later he can "change his shoes" and ask for help in recruiting them.

rainbowyoshi155 days ago(+1)

... I am reading many errors in both posts, even without considering you got every name wrong (Axel aside).

The lizards did not attack first at all, the first thing we see for the war arc itself is a spy keeping an eye on the bull vllage, axel, knowing this, demands we kill him and bring him his heart, effectively manipulating us because we want to enter the village; even if we do, we become "brothers" with a nice name, "Fleabag", which sticks even if we gain his respect after the war (the bulls call us "brother Fleabag"). Nauxus lets us in his village even if we meet him first and still kill his spy...

Axel demands we throw a bomb on the village, not caring much if we kill someone, while nauxus wants to reconcile with the rogues both for allies and simply for peace with them, risking his life, and trying to keep us as safe as possible, he even gets concerned if we die during it and dies himself.

Axel hangs 3 lizards just to make an example out of them, Nauxus never harms the prisoners.

Axel goes on a rampage in Selye's route, even if driven to it by his son's death (due to slimes tho, not lizards).

But, most of all, all routes keep you wary about Nauxus being manipulative or not until the arc ends, where it is revealed that he knew every single thing you had done (so he knew if you killed the spy, bombed the village, and so on!) and was legitimately lovestruck by you the moment you met him outside the tavern (even better if you had high CHA and kissed him), he meant every tease, concern for your safety and wanted to spend the night with you after the village tour, that's why he gets bitter if you went neutral route but helped the bulls more, but otherwise asks for forgiveness and tells you about his horrible childhood; if you don't forgive him, he gets really hurt emotionally, otherwise you can date him and... well, see he really likes you even better~ (unlike Axel, he demands the lizard tribe to be gone to date him). It is evident if you go fight Nauxus too, he is unable to go all out, ends up shooting a lantern to die on purpose, and you find his papers where he perfected his art to draw your portrait (throwback to those ugly squiggles in the "lesson" earlier in the route, he practiced like crazy just for you), so he chooses to burn after the only person he liked romantically and wanted to trust betrayed him like everyone else.

As for the lizards poisoning Axel through you and burning down the village... yes, pretty subtle and dire, but it was full on war at that point, at least Nauxus does send lizards to cover you and finish off Axel after you poison him, Axel did not have to do anything except sending you to kill Nauxus because Nauxus himself starts the fire (not caring about himself or a tribe that he has to rule more with respect rather than love, given how he had to become chief), i doubt Axel would have let them be though. The bulls attacking you are a bit justified by gameplay, for scenes, drops and exp even after the war, but a toggle to deactivate them by asking Axel would be good.

Круто154 days ago

In any case, I don't see it as romantic to ask the object of your affection to go kill others through deception and poisoning yourself with others.

The conversation was about which route is more evil towards the main character. From the lizard side, I only saw seduction manipulations from the leader. I think there is nothing worse than being deceived in love. Nauxus, if he spoke about relationships, only spoke about it in the context of victory after the war.

Route with the bulls is not evil, but just terrible. It seems very likely that if Chameleon is not found through the painting, Thane will most likely be killed and replaced by Chameleon. Just a guess after his wierd behaviour. I consider the relationship with Axel strange and inappropriate, so that why you can choose other options as a reward I think .

English is not my native language, so I have trouble remembering some names. Also related to this is that I didn't fully understand how the main character kills the spy during seduction. I reread it twice and it looks like the spy committed hara-kiri.

About prisoners. If you talk to the guard in the lizard village after ending the war neutrally, he will say that he hopes that the former prisoners will not come for him. In this case, it sounds like he was humiliating the prisoners. In their village, the prison is in a prominent place. In the village of bulls, the prison is not in the main character's field of vision and the prisoners are simply somewhere in the darkness, also I think Thane would certainly not have allowed the torture of prisoners. There were also constant screams in the lizard village prison. I think its connected to the fact that bulls were tortured there or used as cows😊 and dryer out 💀 Just a joke (maybe)

Both sides are idiots except Thane. Both sides did a terrible job of investigating. If they wanted to be sure of the truth from each other, they could have let an ambassador into their lands. I don't like that this is almost never explained in the plot and the main character just silently endures persecution. Not to mention that both sides, freaking out, started a battle right in front of the tavern.

I don't like the fact that you can't do anything with things after the hellish auction. I had to personally feel that the emblem from the auction would be useful to me and that the price tag would not jump over 200 and that it would definitely be enough for the one I came for. I will continue to complain about the lack of hints

rainbowyoshi154 days ago(+1)

Nauxus has to juggle his feelings for you and his duties as chief, it's another aspect present a bit of everywhere during the war, the fact he is always more eager and genuinely interested in spending time with you rather than dealing with the war. And again, he tries to keep you safe during the rogues'trial, he even gropes and admits he wants to "bed" and is interested in you romantically before going.

Thane's fate is not tied to either one, he either walks recklessly into the lizard tribe to be shot down or presumably gets left scarred emotionally by the chameleon and your choices (or worse), the game still lets you choose about pursuing Axel or Nauxus romantically even if you go down the appropriate routes, in case their methods were too unforgivable for the player.

And yes, the spy commits suicide, presumably to not be caught, probably part of his training, it is not stated explicitly.

What happens in the prisons is left to imagination, i personally just assumed the bulls were complaining madly due to their temper, the only thing we see is Axel deciding to kill three lizards just because (so Thane likely can't do anything about the prisoners).

Both sides were deceived by the chameleon mimicking the species and letting himself be seen to have each tribe blame the other for the kidnappings, it slowly escalated until it put the tavern at risk as well, and both chiefs had to come up with a final plan involving you... no side was willing to listen to nor send an ambassador, he'd have been shot down on sight or caught.

Another emblem was seen previously, buying everything is also fairly simple (2 jobs, love hotel, sleep, rinse and repeat for 7 days), and you can keep many saves just in case.

Regardless, no side is pure during the war, and each choice they make can be interpreted and valued in different ways by different people, i feel opinions change a bit after it ends, when you have the full picture and know why they behaved a certain way or if they manipulated at all.

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