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Lynn Xternal143 days ago (8 edits)

Just logged 24:00 in-game; found a few obscure bugs that might be triggered with specific unknown conditions:

Starting the game without music, then playing music with "shuffle" can cause a glitch where at the end of the first track that plays, two tracks will be playing simultaneously. Stopping the music will not stop the second track; it will continue to play until the page is refreshed.
Sometimes, it is impossible to "start" the furnace with ore when a bar of the same type has already been made (especially gold).
Sometimes, changing/wearing boots at ground level can cause stamina do drop -5 and the bonus stamina doesn't show up.
~~Clay will not be collected, and the furnace will be built without the dialog box.~~ Edit: this is intentional

Bugs within Ironman/vegan mode (no leather crafting)--

~~Bits and bobs never unlocks!~~ Edit: this is intentional. Which splits this into a new bug:
1. Caelo cannot be unlocked.
Blueprints for boots will be in-game even when leather crafting is disabled.
The transparent equip box for boots is shown even when that's not relevant.
Mageflare runes can be purchased, even though there is no inventory, which leads to the following:
1. Reaching water with Grampshell is thus mathematically impossible, and is nearly impossible with other turtles.

I look forward to seeing the future updates and continued development, and thank you for your prompt replies! =)

PS: really loving the vegan/ironman mode without leather crafting; it adds a challenge because the original is really easy. It also makes the other turtles even more interesting/useful.

Scoot143 days ago(+1)

First of all, thank you so much for the continued support for Serenitrove. Knowing someone's enjoying the game really makes my day.

Let's take a look at the bugs you mentioned:

1. I was able to replicate this one on my end too. It seems to occur when switching from Shuffle to Loop and back again, then selecting a track manually. I'll dig into what's causing it and aim to roll out a fix in the next bug patch.

2. I haven't been able to reproduce this issue yet, so I'll need to investigate a bit more to figure out what's triggering it.

3. Equipping boots underground does have a stamina cost of -5, just like with tools and accessories. Also, bonus stamina from gear is added as empty stamina (rather than filled), to prevent players from swapping boots mid-run for a stamina refill. However, if you equip boots on the surface, there's no stamina cost and the bonus stamina should be filled. If you ran into this on the surface, that might be a bug.

4. I've actually streamlined how the furnace unlocks. It now unlocks at the same time as the anvil, and Clay has been removed entirely, since its only use was for unlocking the furnace, and that process was a bit confusing for some players.

5. You're totally right. The transparent boot equip slot shouldn't be visible in vegan mode. That'll be fixed in the next update.

Also, I really appreciate the kind words about vegan/ironman mode! It's definitely designed as a bit of a hardmode. Removing the torch makes things much more challenging. And thanks to your report, I just realized that the 250 light radius requirement is making Caelo unobtainable in vegan mode. I'll be working on a fix for that too.

Thanks again for the detailed bug reports and thoughtful feedback. It really helps make the game better. I'm glad to have you along for the ride :)

Lynn Xternal143 days ago (2 edits)

Haha, you replied so fast; I was still editing my comment with more bugs! Thank you for catching bug 1 (music)

The boots bug also happens above ground, infrequently. I apologize for not mentioning that!

The furnace bug is definitely triggered with gold

Clay - Oooh, I see. I didn't realize that the update changed it; thank you =)

Bits and bobs/flares: yes, if the intent is not to have torches, then I understand, but this makes reaching the water impossible in vegan mode. Not only due to the lack of health, but also due to no flares/no torches making optimal restore cell pathfinding impossible (the strat for standard mode is to use one mageflare rune for every seven depth to get to water, esp with grampshell). Perhaps this needs rebalancing for vegan mode so it's hard but not impossible.

I mentioned a few more bugs in my comment above before I saw your reply; I hope you see those too!

Thank you so much for your fast reply!

Scoot142 days ago(+1)

Thanks to your bug reports and feedback, I've managed to fix most of the issues mentioned! I tried equipping and un-equipping footwear on the surface multiple times, and it didn’t trigger issue #3. The rest should all be fixed now :)

Regarding the difficulty of Vegan mode not having a light source: that actually wasn't the original plan. The initial idea was just to remove leatherworking, but since backpacks require leather, one thing led to another and I ended up rolling with it.

Now that I've had more time to think about it, the implications are a bit too heavy. I'm planning to introduce an alternate way to craft backpacks. Probably by allowing sheep to spawn during vegan runs, so they can be sheared for Wool (a new resource). That way, players could craft a different type of backpack using wool, enabling a different playstyle without making things impossibly hard.

Though technically, with wool involved, it might no longer qualify as a true "Vegan" run (maybe we'll call it a "Pacifist" run instead or something along those lines).

Lynn Xternal142 days ago (2 edits)

Thank you so much for patching these so quickly!!

If you don't mind my weighing in, I really like the idea of a "vegan" mode; it's one of my favorite things about this game (lifelong vegan IRL). I especially love how poetic it is that the vegan mode is the hard mode, haha. I'd be a little bit sad to see this go; some good alternatives to wool are hemp (jute) or flax (linen) fleece. However, I already love the game, and I'd still be excited no matter where you take it!

As of now, without leather, there is no flask or footwear, which alone adds plenty of new gameplay options. Without a backpack for flares/torches is like an "ironman" mode, and I also like that challenge too.

With that in mind, I love the idea of having the flares and torches be in a non-leather backpack, and having a flask and boots in the leather inventory, would fit in and enable three gameplay options: full ironman mode (with no leather/torches/flares), leather-free mode (no boots/flask but with torches/flares), and standard mode (with everything).

I'm curious to hear your thoughts!

Scoot142 days ago(+1)

Thanks for the kind words and all the thoughtful input, it really means a lot :)

The sheep and wool idea is still very much in the brainstorming phase. There aren't any solid plans for changes to vegan/hardmode just yet. Right now, my main focus is still on polishing and expanding the standard mode. So for the time being, vegan mode will stay as-is (no backpack, no flask, no torch, no footwear).

That said, I absolutely love hearing your perspective, especially knowing you're a lifelong vegan! Your suggestions around alternative materials like hemp or flax are super interesting, and I really appreciate how you've broken down the different potential playstyles.

One idea I've been toying with is maybe having Bits and Bobs sell a simple cloth version of the backpack directly. Something with fewer slots (maybe just two) as a middle-ground option.

Once the core game is in a more complete state, I'd love to revisit vegan/hardmode and explore ways to make it a distinct and challenging experience without being too punishing.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts!

Lynn Xternal134 days ago

I know hard mode isn't on the radar for now, but what are your thoughts on introducing Bits and Bobs in hard mode, just for the purpose of selling ore? Thoughts on selling gold ore?

Scoot134 days ago(+1)

Actually, Bits and Bobs was never intended to be removed from hard mode. It was originally set to unlock only once the player had purchased the backpack (since the Torch requires a backpack slot). In hard mode, where there's no backpack available, that meant Bits and Bobs didn't unlock. Now that we have ore exchange available there and not just consumable sales, it makes sense to adjust things. I'll be removing the backpack requirement for unlocking Bits and Bobs, and instead, I'll have the Torch simply show or hide depending on whether you have a backpack.

As for selling gold ore, that is definitely planned (and even titanium once future ores are introduced, hint hint). I'll be rolling gold and titanium ore exchange out gradually though, once older players have had time to stock up a bit more.

Lynn Xternal134 days ago

Oh thank you so much! I have 999 iron and copper ore, so this will make those useful again. I'm glad there's a lot more on the radar =)

Thoughts on selling bars/gems? I also have near-maxout numbers of bars and hundreds of gems, even after the recent updates...

Scoot134 days ago

I'm really glad you are finding the exchange useful.

Bar selling will not be implemented, since bars are not considered raw materials and players can already sell ores instead. This also helps avoid cluttering the Bits and Bobs items menu. As for gems, selling them might be added in the future, but not for now. Gems are treated as rare materials, and I want to avoid a situation where players sell them off, only for a new item or mechanic to arrive that needs them, that would be really frustrating.

That said, it is normal for resources to eventually fill up over time. Even with the exchange system, there will come a point when materials like quartz (and others) will hit their limits too. In a way, that just means you love the game a lot, and I'm super thankful for that :)

Lynn Xternal141 days ago

New bug, at least in hard mode: Switching to Caelo sometimes doesn't change the light radius, but collecting a gem or switching gear while underground will cause the light radius to be correct.

Scoot141 days ago(+1)

It looks like the bug was tied to how the light radius was being calculated during character changes. It should be fixed now, thanks again!

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