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I don't think dudes a horrible person and definitely is just someone who made a mistake, but from what I know money isn't the issue, atleast for me. The issue I'm having is that ive already paid for a game that is now not gonna be updated and added to that there is a remake that the creator previously promised to be allowed to people "free of charge" to people who had already bought the game when released to steam.

In my mind of course people are gonna be upset but honestly not a reason people should use to decide to target nachosama. Things happened how they did and just because nachosamas words now don't align with what they've said in the past doesn't mean they should be subject to hate. Plans change so people need to grow up and accept that the steam version is a different game and if they want it they're gonna have to buy it

ToasterBros283 days ago

Couldn't of said it better myself. Had he looked into his promises and whether he could actually do them or not, it would be a different story. Honestly it could just be people who got into the hype and didn't like the game so now they're trying to get their money back 2 years later and the game free. Scummy, but who knows.

TheGamingMan734281 days ago

My only issue is he clearly wanted to stand by the "I wish i could give it for free but i can't" narrative. To then promise a free refund (we'll ignore that he didn't realize he can't after 90 days) makes no sense to me. Why not just update the itch.io files. Then everyone is happy no? We all get an updated version and people who do want it on steam or are new can choose between steam or itch.io. It just doesn't really make much sense to me the decision making skills. The only "legit" reason not to have it on itch.io is worrying about piracy. People pirate steam games as well though and plenty of developers have success on itch.io.

I also don't think he's a horrible person. Just that he's making the wrong decision at every turn. Not doing actual research before making statements and overall being a bit too wishy washy with his responses.

Honestly if he outright said "Itch.io people do not get the steam version for free. It's a new game. You have to buy it again" and just left it at that. I feel like they'd be less backlash than what he's getting now.

ToasterBros280 days ago(+1)

If you need to ignore context to make your argument make sense, your argument isn't a good argument. He even removed the payment option for the itcho option, but was still bullied because people go crazy for greed to get someone's hard work for free. Theres nothing simple about updating the itchio, because it's a different game, its not a drag and drop. Brother made two mistakes trying to please his fans, but was met with nothing but hate and backlash and honestly the most valid reason to give "wishy washy" responses to the disrespect.

TheGamingMan734280 days ago (1 edit)

I think you don't understand the process of how the game got updates on itch.io? Every-time the game was "updated" on itch.io the whole game was re-uploaded as a whole new packed .exe launch file. There would be no difference in uploading to itch.io then the steam version. That's literally how he was "updating" the game in the first place. So yes it is quite literally "that simple".

Edit: it's fine if you want to defend him. You are entitled to thinking he did nothing wrong. However it should be understood that updating the game for itch.io is quite literally just uploading the files to itch.io. Like there is no extra process involved.

ToasterBros279 days ago

It's not a drag and drop. They are both differently coded, differently made. Dragging and dropping it would not work, because they are both different games. He can't update it, because he wont, its because you literally cant.

TheGamingMan734279 days ago (2 edits)

Brother, I mean no disrespect, but this is just drag and drop. I've developed dozens of games and even have one attached to this itch.io account. I'm really not sure how else to explain this.

When he updated the game in the past, he would upload the entire game again as a packaged .exe launchable file. This is no different from his Steam update, regardless of the engine update. It's still a packaged .exe version of the game. He can simply take this folder and drag and drop it into itch.io for players to download and play.

Again, I mean no disrespect, but you seem to think the process is far more complicated than it actually is. If it were a console port, then yes, you would need to "port" it. But that's not the case here. It's just an .exe file that he's packaged and uploaded to Steam, but hasn't yet uploaded to itch.io.

Edit: I do think it's important you're aware that this is a super easy process before commenting on other peoples post about it.

Edit Edit: Heck i'll throw in an example. If you were to make a game in unreal engine. You have the packaged game in unreal. People download it on itch.io. You then decide "Actually I want to remake it in unity". You remake the game in unity. You can simply just upload those unity launch files in your "next update" on itch.io. It has no bearing what engine you're using. As a user you're simply just downloading the files the creator is uploading. All itch.io is, is essentially a file sharing platform. You're just given someone a place to download the content you're uploading.

ToasterBros278 days ago (1 edit)

You're over simplifying it. It's a different game, different code, different UI. Everything would break if he had just "dragged and dropped" it. But I think were both at a stand still on this so I say we just agree to disagree. Also no disrespect taken, as long as you don't get heated or rude for no reason and just state what you wanna say, that's just a conversation.

TheGamingMan734278 days ago

I literally can't agree to disagree. You're flat out wrong and don't have a understanding of how this works. Like....your insulting my intelligence on a industry I quite literally work in. I've been a game developer 10 years. You're under the impression the process is completely different than it actually is.

Itch.io is not steam. You are not actually "updating" the game when you upload new files. You're simply reuploading the entire game again. You download all the game files again. On steam when an update occurs. It on re-downloads those specific files that have been updating. This is not the case on itch.io. When a "update" for the game is release you download an entire new game. Even if the only new addition was 10kb. You still download the whole 5gb game again (example numbers)

I truly do not understand how you do not realize this. I really do not want to insult your intelligence but I've explained it as clear as day and you're still saying I'm incorrect when I'm quite literally not.

Like. I'm at an inpass here....

ToasterBros278 days ago

Sorry you feel that way. Don't mean to insult your ego on anything. Also, what you're saying is he puts the steam game on itchio. They are two different games. And steam guidelines state you can't directly "upload" Steam games to another platform or location. If that's what you've been getting at this whole time then I apologize for the confusion.

TheGamingMan734278 days ago

you're not insulting my "ego". Imagine telling a chef of 10 years that cutting meat with a spoon is better. That's how this conversation feels. I'm telling you how the process works and you're saying it doesn't work that way. Even though it does. Then tried to say we agree to disagree. I am factually telling you how the process works.

Also what? Steam has no such guidelines. You can upload your game to as many places as you want? Games release on itch.io, steam, epic store. At this point you are just making things up??? The only guidelines that prohibits uploading a game to another location is if you're the customer. I can't buy the steam game and upload it to another platform...as a customer. As a developer steam does not restrict you.

I honestly dont know what say. This last comment about steam guidelines makes it pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

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