Of course you can be gay in peace ^^but nothing is going to change about that when you sometimes would play a game with a fem MC? (of course being able to choose the gender is the best but it shouldn't be a neccessity to be able to play a game should it?). I'm a woman and i do play games with male mc's too, i would never go there and talk about why xyz -BL doesn't have a female MC to choose from.
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its just simply uncomfortable and i take great discomfort in playing a a woman. BL is a certain genre specifically for queer men because there is such lack of it. im not sure why you as a woman are even playing BL games. it always seemed weird to me but thats probably because of the amount of straight women who fetishize BL so idk.
Things don't need to conclude EVERYONE under the sun, just because you want them to. Plenty of things aren't targeted at me (a woman), and I don't go to developers and demand they change them. I don't know how old you are, but for many years VNs for woman were nearly non-existent, then that started to change... and now, in the last 7 or so years, that's changed AGAIN, and women are being told "no, you need to include EVERYONE, or you're a terrible person if you don't!" Absolutely ridiculous.
FYI, BL (yoai, in other words) was NOT made specifically for "queer men"; women were the target demographic originally (made by women, bruh), just like yuri (made by men, honey) targeted men. Doesn't mean you can't consume BL content, but men weren't the target audience. Bara, however, is a genre that is specifically for gay/bi men, with the love interests being men.
And since you brought it up to the other poster... why are you (a man) insisting that an OTOME (female protag, male love interests) be changed to suit you? You do realize what the word hypocrite means, yes?
no one was fucking demanding it but everyone has the right to be disapointed over it. and you're just incorrect, VNs were always more female targetted. its basically like shojo. bc romance vns are obviously romance and that appealed to women most. no one called anyone a terrible person for anything stop making shit up. and if you're a women who's into Yaoi then you're just kind of a creep who fetishizes queer men bc thats 99% of the women who like it. and yuri has always been more female centered than male centered. its mostly made by women, not including lesbian c0rn bc thats a different story. a topic like this is also purely for queer people too discuss
Oh sweetie, you're really displaying your ignorance here. You're very likely under 20, so of course you know nothing about anything prior to 2000; since you're apparently incapable of looking anything up, VNs were very male dominated, for many, many years. They were nearly always eroge or hentai (again... targeted at straight men) and the very few that existed for women were few and far between, weren't hentai, (they were actual otome... GxB) and weren't translated into English.
Again, if you bothered to look anything up (absolutely no excuse, since the internet is at your finger tips), yuri was always targeted at straight men, and yoai was always targeted at straight women (I don't even read yoai, honey). It's the whole "girl-on-girl is hot" thing for men, with yoai being the equivalent for straight women. People like what they like; let's not pretend other groups don't fetishize things either, so kindly get over yourself.
Nothing stops anyone from reading whatever they want of course, but the fact is, VNs never had anything to do with "queer" people originally. Furthermore, the word(s) you're looking for is/are homosexual/bisexual, kiddo; people of those sexualities don't tend to appreciate the word "queer," given the negative connotation it carries.
One last thing... best believe I'm going to talk on a topic when someone is spewing misinformation on said topic and calling it "facts."
the word queer has never been negative and is the word used by the lgbtq+ these days what do you mean by negative connotations? and girl on girl filmed c0rn is male centered but I remember you said Yuri/girls love and those are made primarily by women even if there are some weird men who make it. even the gross Yuri like citrus or bad thinking diary. similar to things like the bl jinx but made by women regardless. and for VN's I was not counting in any c0rn related things, I mean like actual normal stuff, not hentai. I didnt say VNs were a queer people thing either I think you may have misunderstood something I said? im not sure I dont check itch io often so I dint remember my specific comments.
Displaying your ignorance here once more... I'm thinking you're much younger, given the way you type... You probably aren't even 18, in which case, why are you posting on an 18+ game? You could—and should—be doing literally anything else.
Anyway, talk to any old gay, and they'll tell you "queer" was originally an insult. Better yet, look it up if you can't take my word for it. The original meaning of the word is "strange", and people started to use it as a pejorative for homosexuals, which is why many of the older gays aren't fans of it and refuse to use it.
Regarding your yuri claim, oh, honey... no. Again, I'm assuming you're a child, so I'm not going into specifics, but no, yuri is NOT mostly made by women... not even close. There are a few women here and there (mostly in the West) that make lesbian content, but yuri was always, (and always will be. statistics, honey; there are more straight men than gay/bi women) male-dominated, and as I said, nearly always hentai/eroge. Sorry to hit you with reality, but those of us that are old enough to remember when you loaded games up via command prompt haven't suddenly forgotten this.
Furthermore, I never said VNs were a "queer people thing", I was referring to you typing "a topic like this is also purely for queer people too discuss," to which I say: no, it is not. This is a public site, meaning anyone can post; I am not a fan of misinformation, so I posted.
i'm also a gay guy, but honestly optic i think you're probably immature and took whatever xeb said as criticism towards you. so i don't wanna try hard to explain why i don't see the things the way which you do. i understand that BL feels like something close to us, because it centers mlm relationships, but when you make clearly exaggerated statements such as 99% of women who enjoy BL are fetishising mlm relationships. it just seems weird from your behalf and overly simplistic since you're just making a generalisation...
sure i can agree with you, that there are definitely cases of weird fetishisation, but that doesn’t mean that every woman reading or making BL is doing that. some genuinely love the characters, stories, and dynamics, and aren’t trying to speak over us or invade our space. also you're kind of misrepresenting the history of the genre, xeb was right that both BL and yaoi are created by women and the large demographic is women. it wasn't originally some grassroot queer men movement ^^. bara, on the other hand, was made by and for gay/bi men. that doesn’t mean we can’t reclaim or relate to BL now, but rewriting the origin to say it was always ours isn’t accurate.
and your take on yuri is also kinda misinformed. you keep saying yuri is “made by women,” but that’s just not true in most cases. statistically, it’s overwhelmingly written and drawn by men for men. that includes a lot of the well-known yuri titles. even the more “serious” or “romantic” ones. there are women who create it, especially in the indie space, but they’re still the minority. saying yuri is female-dominated while BL is “taken over” by straight women just isn’t consistent. and about the whole “this is a topic only queer people should discuss” thing. yeah, i think queer voices matter a lot in these convos, but if someone’s correcting misinformation or just joining in respectfully, that’s not some terrible offense. especially when that person knows their stuff. (unlike you, you're clearly misinformed, so i would not appreciate you speaking for other gay guys if this is the attitude shown towards other people (especially how you've treated xeb in the message forumn) respecting others isn't something hard to do, it's the bare minimum.)
also the way you talk to xeb is honestly just rude. they made solid points, backed it up with actual knowledge, and you immediately went for their tone, age, and called them creepy. disagreeing is fine, but your whole attitude just reads like you’re trying to shut people down instead of actually talking. if you think something’s wrong, make your case ^^ but don’t twist their words or insult them instead of addressing what they actually said.
last thing for you; telling people they’re creeps or weird for liking something that wasn’t originally meant for them while also asking for spaces like otome to cater to men too… that’s just double standards. we can want better representation without gatekeeping or acting like everyone outside our lane is an enemy.