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Armor Up

A topic by quantumodo created 45 days ago Views: 84 Replies: 2
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Hi,

I've just noticed that Armor Up is not interacting correctly with confused status. For instance, in this game: [0.5.9.4]-colossus-magog-expert-(151)-(885738082).json

Near the end, you will find that the villain is confused but I am allowed to play Armor Up. This has been ruled against: 

A ruling we received about Armor Up and Master Mold has been confusing me. That ruling suggests that an interrupt to “when the villain activates” is a different (earlier) timing than an interrupt to “when the villain schemes”. The first (like Armor Up) can be triggered, and resolved, entirely before the second (like Master Mold) triggers, even if the latter is Forced. 1. If the window to play Armor Up is before the villain is determined to be either attacking or scheming (that is, before an interrupt like Master Mold’s can trigger), how is it possible for Confused to happen at that time, before Armor Up is playable?
Why do status cards “know” what kind of activation is about to happen before an interrupt like Master Mold’s does? 2. As an example of an existing interaction that is “changed” by this shift in my understanding: What happens when Ebony Maw tries to activate against my hero while Ebony Maw is Webbed Up?
  1. I will do my best to explain where we landed on this interaction.
    1. If the villain were Confused when it went to activate against an Alter-Ego Colossus, it must discard Confused; doing so replaces its entire activation. Armor Up can only be played as an interrupt to an activation, so it cannot be played if there is no activation to interrupt.
    2. Status cards need to be able to recognize the type of activation about to occur, otherwise they wouldn’t work as they were designed to.
  2. If Ebony Maw had Webbed Up attached and went to make an attack activation, Webbed Up and Ebony Maw both have Forced Interrupt triggers, so they would resolve in the order of the players’ choice.

Notice also (in case it affects your scripting) that this interacts in a special way with Master Mold: 

If I play Armor Up on Master Mold while he is activating against me as Rasputin turning into Colossus, would he get a sentinel minion and attack me with no boost card? (Based on a previous Armor Up ruling)

If you were in Alter-Ego form when Master Mold was about to activate, you could use Armor Up to change to hero form and change Master Mold’s activation from a scheme activation to an attack activation. (You would need to play Armor Up right before Master Mold determines how he activates against you. MM’s Forced Interrupt triggers once he’s already determined to be scheming against you.)

And the following is also relevant, especially regarding the fact that Armor Up had an errata: 

My confusion doesn’t lie in the interaction between Armor Up and statuses per se, but with this Master Mold ruling in particular: https://hallofheroeslcg.com/latest-ffg-rulings/#34
I am happy to hear that the Forced Interrupts on Webbed Up and Ebony Maw interrupt the same window, because that lines up with my previous (pre-Armor-Up) understanding.
1. Does the “would” in Webbed Up’s triggering condition have any effect, making it trigger before Ebony Maw?
2. If these two abilities trigger at the same time, should Master Mold and Armor Up trigger at the same time as well? (with Master Mold triggering first by being “Forced”?)
  1. Thank you for that observation; given that there are rules on “Would” I did not initially consider, we are adjusting our previous answer. The presence of “Would” in Webbed Up does mean it has priority over Ebony Maw’s Forced Interrupt; “would attack/activate” has priority over “attacks/activates.”
  2. This conversation has brought us to an errata we’d like to give to Armor Up, that it should have said “When the villain would activate” instead of what it says now. Does adding this to Armor Up clear up the interaction between it and Master Mold?

Thanks!

Developer

Hi @quantumodo,

Thank you for reporting the issue with card “32010” (Armor Up) and for your detailed explanation.

I understand that you believe you should not be able to play “32010” while the villain is confused.

We will address this issue in the next version.

Thank you for your understanding!

Thanks!