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Well, I mean, it's easier for someone to find the .love file and double-click it than it is for them to know what to do with an exploded folder full of .lua files. It's obviously still not ideal but having the .love file get expanded adds even more of a burden on players than it would otherwise. But adding a readme.txt to the folder seems to have worked to prevent that from happening.

It runs on my ancient Galaxy Tab although it doesn’t run particularly well. It mostly comes down to what GPU is in it. I don’t think it’s dependent on OS version at all. 

Okay, so, placing a readme.txt in the same directory as the .love file prevents the itch client from decompressing the bundle itself (at least on macOS, haven't tried on Windows). This workaround solves the problem I was trying to describe., because then there's a .love file they can double-click on (rather than having to do things like dragging a folder onto an app icon or open a command line and do a scary, annoying invocation). This is an acceptable solution to me.

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I know, but it's still many many more steps than people seem to want to take, especially when nobody wants to install the itch.io app or they get scared by the first-time "this application is from an unknown developer" warning. Believe me, what seems really easy and straightforward to us is an impenetrable, scary barrier to even incredibly experienced users.

I mean the main people who would be using the .love bundle would be Linux users, and hopefully they'd already know this stuff, but this is just like an impenetrable force field around a lot of things even for them.

The long-term of having the itch.io app supporting LÖVE directly is great. These short-term "just ask the users to" ideas preload a lot of assumptions into the word "just."

Yes, I am aware - that's how I do my development in the first place, after all. But instructing players to do that (finding where the folder is, telling them to install the love binary, get the love binary on their path, etc.) is way too many steps for this purpose.

ah, that's all good to know! I feel like the drag to folder approach is way too complicated though, not to mention inconsistent on Linux which is the only reason I provide a raw bundle in the first place. But having built in support for runtime versioning etc is great. I look forward to that feature!

Hi, I've been distributing LÖVE bundles (which are just a .zip file renamed with a .love extension) and suggesting that people use the itch.io app to manage them. Unfortunately, since the .love file is really a .zip, at least on Windows, the Itch app goes ahead and decompresses the bundle file when it installs the game - making it much more difficult for people to simply launch the game with their installed version of the LÖVE runtime.

Is there any way to mark the file as not being a zip file, even though it is totally a zip file?

I use butler to publish, but the directory I tell it to publish has just the .love file in it. Would adding a readme.txt or whatever help? (I should totally add a readme.txt anyway.)

For one of my games I'm using the git shorthash for the version number, because it makes it easier for me to check my git log for what I did since the previous devlog while writing a new one, and I haven't yet started tagging my versions for formal releases. When I get further along with my game I'll probably start doing tags and releases that way.

Coming up with the way to version a thing is kind of annoying and as an end user it doesn't really matter to me, personally, aside from the aesthetics.

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A lot of games on itch.io are written in LÖVE, and even if they're built specifically for Windows, the Linux love binary is able to parse out the game data and play the game.

Installing the right version of the LÖVE runtime can be a bit of a chore, unfortunately (which is why packaged builds are so much nicer).

You could also try installing the itch.io app which makes it somewhat easier to browse games based on OS compatibility.

All that said you should also consider a friendlier attitude when you come here and ask for things. Nobody owes you anything, and complaining about how "brainstuck" people are isn't a great way to make friends.

The itch.io app has a built-in web view thing for HTML-based games, which is how I was running it. However you're doing the mouse cursor doesn't work in that circumstance.

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On macOS, for some reason this game doesn't get a dock icon, meaning it's really hard to switch back to after changing to another app... also the way the mouse gets tracked gets really fouled up really easily, especially if I change the window size.

EDIT: Never mind, the app just belongs to the itch.io app! Okay, that's easy enough. But the mouse issue still exists. :)

Hi, I've been working on a "game album" called Refactor; it's a collection of short games that are based on songs from an album that I released in 2015.

Track 1 (Little Bouncing Ball) has been more or less complete for a while, but track 2 (Strangers) has an enormously complex dialog tree that I am completely incapable of validating myself anymore because I've run through so many scenarios by hand and I already know what's going to happen.

So, if people could please be so kind as to follow the vague directions on my devlog post, I would be quite grateful.


Some games that help me focus when I need to shut out the rest of the world:

My big problem with Pause is that it requires you to be too active with very fiddly motions, and it gives you some fairly close bounds on how quickly you have to do things without doing a good job of indicating whether you need to speed up or slow down or whatever. Also, the motions themselves were really hard on my DeQuervain syndrome.

There are many, many systemic forms of gentle suppression that lead people to believe and internalize things that aren't true.

As a 39-year-old transwoman who has been in the industry, and who studied in STEM in the first place, I couldn't help but notice a lot of gender policing that subtly and not-so-subtly discouraged women from taking technical roles. There's a deeply-ingrained belief that "women aren't interested in programming" which leads to any woman who tries to be a programmer being judged way more harshly than her male peers, leading them to become discouraged and feel that they're not cut out for it.

Meanwhile, my own gender identity was always being put into question because of my love for programming and video games; the fact I was good at programming and wanted to make games made me automatically "not a real woman." And I saw this happen to my cisgender female peers as well! Any woman interviewing at a studio would automatically be assumed to be an artist, or "just" a tools programmer, or whatever, and after working 3x as hard to prove herself she'd be told that she's "almost good enough" to be "one of the guys."

This all starts very young, too. There's a lot of background radiation that's easy to internalize and difficult to separate out. And this goes both ways as well - look at the huge gender disparity in "feminine" vs. "masculine" roles, even in the same field; dentists are men, hygienists are women; doctors are men, nurses are women; game programmers are men, game artists are women. It goes on and on, and all of it is due to a lifetime of self-reinforcing beliefs.

Biases are hard to look past, especially when it's hard to even tell where those biases are in the first place.

Fortunately, things are (slowly) changing. We're seeing a lot more encouragement of kids of all genders going into whatever fields they are interested in, and attitudes are shifting away from a gender-essentialist worldview.

oh I also just remembered: Wii Fit Plus had a meditation game which requires you to stay as still as possible. 

Hey, it's really cool that you're getting started in game development! Good luck.

I'd be very careful about making sweeping generalizations about how "women aren't oppressed" or "just aren't interested," though. There's a lot of systemic, cultural garbage out there that you might not be aware of yet, even though it's probably affected your outlook in fundamental ways you haven't realized. There's a lot of stuff to unpack.

You might try watching Feminist Frequency, and reading about the history of the early games industry. Wikipedia has an article worth reading, as well as a list of notable women in the games industry.

There's a bunch of interesting mindfulness games out there, which I've found to be pretty hit-or-miss. "Pause" came out to a lot of marketing hype although it didn't do much for me. I found David O'Reilly's "Mountain" to be surprisingly great for a while, just because it gave me something to focus on, although that stopped being effective for me.

Usually if I need some mindfulness stuff I'll just do a body scan, often with the assistance of a mindfulness-specific app. The "Breathe" app built into the Apple Watch is pretty good for that, for example.

Howdy. I'm fluffy. I made games professionally back in 2004 and my career has been games industry-adjacent for most of the time since. A couple years ago I decided to get back into games and really wanted to do indie stuff, and after spending a year at HBO's VR studio I ended up taking the plunge and setting off on my own.

My current project is Refactor, an album of games based on a music album I released in 2015. I'm posting builds as I develop it and also doing it totally open-source. I don't know where it's going to lead but I am definitely enjoying the journey so far.

FWIW I just tried a few of the various LÖVE-to-web things (Motor, love.js) and while it was possible to get the visuals working, none of them support audio stuff that's required for the game to synchronize to the music, which is pretty much the most important part of the experience. So, it doesn't look like a web port is coming any time soon.

Ah, I see there's already an open issue for this.

Created a new topic Tiny OSX gripe :)

Hi, I love Quadtastic! Thank you so much for making it.

I do have one slight gripe with it on OSX though - it seems your Info.plist still declares it as supporting .love files (the first <dict> section under CFBundleDocumentTypes), and so when I double-click on a .love file while Quadtastic is running, OSX decides to tell Quadtastic to open it, regardless of what my default file association is for .love files. It's weird that OSX behaves this way but regardless it'd be great if this didn't happen.


Yeah, I figured it out eventually. I just had to be careful to not get transformed.

oh wait I... I think i get it, heh, I'll have to try this again

This game is pretty deep.

I feel like there's supposed to be a way to progress beyond the bottom floor, but none of the things I can turn into can go very high.

Fun, silly little game.  Great music for it too. Surprisingly, using a Wacom tablet with it doesn't end up feeling like cheating.

Fun little space shooter. Wish there were sound, or difficulty that increased rather than decreased as you progress, but a good start for a game. It took me a few tries to realize that the bar over the enemies were health bars and not landing platforms.

Make it black, maybe?

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Cute music on this! I also like the art style. I seem to have gotten pretty stuck at where Sitman sits though.

This is a classic psychology experiment, and always fun and challenging to do. It'd be nice if there were a countdown clock to show how much time you have left (to add urgency in particular) and maybe some statistics at the end to say how long your average selection took per level, maybe also categorizing clicks for same color-word and different color-word. But I'm a data junkie like that.

Created a new topic Down to the wire!

I'll be excited to play all the games that I can tomorrow morning. I sure had fun making mine!

Just as a reminder, if your downloads are for a specific platform, you should mark them for such so that people know (and also so that the itch.io app can automatically download/update them).

Thanks! I'm not really planning on browser-based support for a number of reasons (mostly to do with my long-term plans for this game album, but also web APIs for audio synchronization are pretty terrible) but I figure it being on all the major plaforms is good enough. At some point I'm going to also support Android and maybe even iOS, so hopefully that keeps people happy. :)

This is a lot of fun (especially now that self-collision is in), although I wish the rats wouldn't always spawn so close to the edge of the plane.

When I was a kid I had this one magnet maze puzzle where you had to guide a ball bearing (a "bee") from start to finish using a magnet, without letting the bee get close enough to the magnet that it snaps to it (getting "stung"). This reminds me of that, in game form.

Oh definitely, physics and collision are way harder than people realize. Circle-circle is just about the easiest case possible and even then it's fraught with all sorts of unexpected things to worry about.

What I like to do is separate the physics out into three passes - setup, generate impulses, apply impulses. This way the order of interactions doesn't matter. And then the impulses themselves just act as if everything's an elastic rigid body.

Nice! Swarming/flocking behavior is a lot of fun to mess with. My main website http://beesbuzz.biz/ has a custom 403 error page that you might enjoy. :)

That looks cute!

Created a new topic So how's everyone progressing?

Just over two days left!

I'm surprised about how far along I've gotten so far. I was expecting to just have a vertical slice of the game with placeholder graphics but instead I've got something... fairly polished? It helps that I ended up liking my placeholder art style so much that I decided to just make the whole game around it though.

Also, I'm really liking itch.io's new devlog feature. It lets you write a blog post about every new build you post. Combine that with a build system that makes posting builds dead-simple and you have a nice easy way to share progress. itch's "butler" system makes it really easy to build; I have a build system for my LÖVE games that lets me just type "make publish" and it does all the work for me. Anyone else is free to use/adapt that as they see fit! (Be aware that it's a Makefile and as such will probably only work for UNIXy folks. I've tried running it on a Windows machine and had no luck. It also assumes use of git for version control.)

Anyway. Really looking forward to playing everyone's games!

It's a bit more obvious when playing the game yourself. My oBS encoder settings are making things look fuzzier than they are in reality - I should experiment with those a bit.