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Don't you worry, I'm not addicted to porn and will never be. These humans in it are acting and are motioning like puppets. They are lifeless and boring. How can one even like this

I am pretty sure I know very good how serial killers become serial killers. It's not hard to imagine anyway. Watching Deadpool gives you a good look at it. I know he's not really a serial killer, in the realistic sence.

Yeah, Adastra comes after Echo Route 65, a sequel of Echo. I finished Echo and it was truly horrific, in my opinion. The only big thing that I hate about it is the end (and propably how the characters develop), but what can you do... :( 

Now I actually have a question: Do you know if there is a full version of Echo around? I even forgot how I got the demo. 

Tell me about how you found the game once you finished it. Just so you know the characters are rather simple with only a few emotions/changes. (The drawings) 


Ha spoilers... *grin* I have watched almost all of it.


I didn't mean to make it look like I think your parents drilled you.


The only comics I have read are Asterix&Obelix and the LTB's. For most people are comics more fun than the related movies or not? Or not, but the comics and mangas are always more detailed.


They kept one, maybe the Watcher, from killing Light and he escaped. The you see the first Shinigami monologueing. He tells the viewers it was nice knowing Light and that he had fun and kills me in the end.


I assume you watched Suicide Squad so you should know the movie tells us Harley was (not got, right??) tortured indeed.


Well what a shame :P though I preferred reading these precious VN's over books too recently. (I use Nightmode on my phone not only occasionally)

I still have to read volume 142 to 145 of Perry Rhodan (the biggest and best science fiction series of all time, better than Star Wars, Star Trek and whatnot combined and as old as these series too). The fact that no one knows about it (I can only imagine) is because it is from germany. Yep, not saying germany is any better than other countries, but we are known as poets and thinkers... ;)

true?

Not that you see much of it anymore ~

(How did you rate YAGS? I voted 3 out of 5 stars for it...)

Actually, even worse, a lot of amateur porn features people who were trafficked. 


Deadpool is definitely not a realistic outlook on serial killers. He's more a story on revenge than anything.

Generally serial killers come from broken homes, and/or didn't fit in growing up. Ted Bundy's family stayed together, but he had a hell of a time fitting in. Jeffery Dahmer was gay; instead of coming out (he'd possibly be killed at the time), he invited men over discreetly.... I don't know as much about him as Bundy since I watched a documentary on Bundy, so I'm not sure why he wound up killing them. I assume he ate them to avoid capture, but he could have also suffered from a mental disorder.


I read Echo Route 65 was supposed to be a prequel to Echo.

The demos (all three games) are here: https://www.patreon.com/EchoGame

There may be updated versions in the Posts at some point. Some posts are public.

I don't know if the full games are available.


If my brother (huge comic book nerd) is anything to go by, the movies are generally let downs. They tend to change too much. He likes them to stick to the source material (as avid readers do too) but they almost never do.

In fact, Twilight the movie was horrible. I was bored the whole time watching it. I didn't want to read the books, but when I did I was blown away. The books are amazing; the movies are crap. Besides that, the sparkly vampire thing (I call them 'fairypires') was ridiculous. 


That's really completely different than the ending I'm thinking of... You know, it could be changed for your country. Or if you've only seen it on Netflix. There's already been an outcry over Netflix changing the end of The Notebook and claiming it was an alternate ending (something even the author of the book was blindsided by).


I didn't see Suicide Squad. The commercials made Harley and Joker's relationship seem loving to the extreme, and my brother confirmed it when he saw the film. 

My ex also claimed it was a loving relationship after seeing the movie, despite my attempts to point out how the movie didn't properly portray the characters of the comic books.


I haven't rated YAGS yet, because I haven't played the whole thing. So I'm not sure.

Deadpool was on one of our german tv channels recently, so I took him as an example since I don't know any (“modern“) serial killers anyway. Okay, besides the known onse of course like Jack the Ripper and the cannibal... guy, who even got his own movie...

If you are interested in psychology, why not be interested in why people murder other people for no real reason.


Yeah, sorry for the wrong information. I first thaught Route 65 is a sequel, but once I noticed that this prequel, what it is apparently, shows how everything started or just the time before Echo I forgot to correct it I think. Echo the town btw. where it plays. It has a population of 60 in Route 65.

I started reading Route 65, but haven't read much of it yet. I am pretty sure it's also horror themed. Though I wonder how that will work out... 

(I added „The Echo Project“ on Patreon, but I thaught maybe they don't have the latest version)

They're not 3 but 4 games. Something with  


For your knowledge I downloaded a new VN called Blackgate, for free. It seemes interesting. I know nothing about it and haven't looked at it yet. Although I think it's horror too. I just checked it is horror and made by Bane (Patreon). 

(Blackgate is not on itch!)

Maybe you find more VN's you are interested in on my profile.


You don't like Twilight? My sisters/younger sister is a fan of this. In my opinion it isn't even that bad. I of course didn't read any of the books.

Don't you like vampire and werewolf stories? I found a really amazing book series called „The chronicle of the immortals“ (Die Chronik der Unsterblichen) in our city library. It isn't about „normal“ vampires though.

Do you know “Ink Heart, Ink Blood, Ink Death“ (Tintenherz, Tintenblut, Tintentod)? I am not sure if it's called like that, but the series was so great that they made a movie, which isn't that bad either. Nothing comparable to the books obviously.


Your brother wasn't wrong. Still I don't understand what's wrong with that. It's like he made her queen, while he is the king. They made their “relationship“ look like crazy... In my view they've done a great job. The scenes were awsome enough. I remember the shiny look of the skins. I assume it has to do with the whole romance image. Otherwise it would be useless.


The reason why I'm asking is because I read your opinion about YAGS. I played through this game two times and it was so boring that I quit. There aren't even any nudity scenes, which could make the game more interesting... It is the only VN so far that really disappointed me, even B101 is better with it's terrible translation from Russian into English.


I am hyped for Adastra. It looks like the artwork is edgy, but when the story's good I don't care. 

And you can be hyped for Echo. As far as I know you will rather love than hate it!

Actually, Hannibal the Cannibal, Hannibal Lecter, isn't a real person. He IS based on a real person though, however the guy was older (50's?) and in a prison in Mexico when Hannibal Rising was written in 2006. 

The only real life cannibal serial killer I know of is Jeffery Dahmer.

I actually got my Associates degree in Behavioral Sciences (psychology). So I AM interested in why people do what they do, but most actually do have a reason, often something from their childhood's.


What's the 4th game?


I'll see if I like Echo and then Route 65 before hunting down Blackgate. I know I love horror films and books, but I'm not sure it'll translate to VN's.


I do like werewolf and vampire stories, but the Twilight movies weren't great. In the books, Bella Swan has a sense of humor, she's lively, and has an actual personality. Kristen Stewart has one look on her face, and it only works in thriller and horror films. She completely took away Bella's personality in the movies.

Specifically the first one. The rest stayed pretty close to the source material, but the first one was totally off.

I don't mind if the changes to supernatural stories are small-- Such as, werewolves can change themselves and it doesn't have to be the full moon, or vampires can walk in sun but have to stay in the shade or something (like Serana in Skyrim), but the glittering skin was just so.... Ugh, ridiculous. Even the 'Vegetarian vampires' who only eat animals was fine, but that skin thing was dumb. "Look at me, I'm made of diamonds! I have to stay out of the light though because people would know!" Which isn't true. People think vampires can't be in the sun, period. Nobody would think twice about someone sparkling in the sun. They'd just figure you're covered in glitter.

I don't know any of those. Maybe they're German exclusives? Even if they aren't, it's been years since I've looked into popular books.


The reason it's 'wrong' is the same as when parents tell their kids that someone's mean to them because they like them. It makes people think abusive relationships are normal. They're not. One person is an unfeeling psychopath who gets off by being a sadist, the other sticks around because of low self esteem, a misplaced obsession, or Stockholm Syndrome. 

Anybody in Harley Quinn's position needs serious therapy, and possibly to be institutionalized for the remainder of their days.


I barely played any of YAGS so I feel a review would be premature. I literally stopped right after meeting the roommate.

Horror is fine to me, but when it comes to real life... There's enough shit, I don't need to think about serial killers and cannibals too and propably terrorists and sun prayers or the path of a Hindu! No thanks...

To be honest I can't really imagine pychology being all that helpful since every persons mind is different and the reasons why people do things too. Sure there must be similarities, but these are minor, I guess. (Not that I know what I am talking about, though it makes sence to me)


The 4th game is called “1915“, sadly I don't know where to find it and what it's about. There are pictures on FA (FurAffinity) on Chase's profile, who is the writer of Echo and Adastra. (Chase is the main character in Echo, he is an otter)

I've read Echo Route 65 and it's very emotional. It's a short story, but romantic.

And if you are finished with Echo please tell me how you find it. In my opinion the very end of the story is more terrifying than the whole story! If you think about it you may understand why I think so...

Maybe you'll figure 1915 out and tell me about it?


I'm starting Blackgate now too, because I read through Adastra and Adastra 0.5 (new unofficial version) and it was great, really liked it. Adastra is basically science-fiction and pretty funny unlike Echo. I have a hate/love relationship with Echo. I hope they make more than one path and at least one good and bad ending.


Have you watched something like Netflix's Stranger Things, Dark, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, The End of the Fucking World or Love/Death&Robots? Also In my opinion the movie I Kill Giants is underrated. Whatelse is there...? The movie Lucy was cool too. I like the main actor. (Some random thaughts of good movies/series) I haven't watched Dark yet and won't do. I pretend it's too similar to ST. Sabrina is, well, interesting...


Stockholm Syndrome, I forgot what it was about, if I ever knew it.


Be glad for you for stopping, playing YAGS, it was literally a waste of time and I downgraded my rating.

That's part of what fascinates me, the differences in people's thinking.


I'll try to find 1915 and give you the link if I do. 


I've watched Stranger Things, but that's the only one of what you mentioned. Lucy is good as long as you overlook the junk science they use. That crap about using 10% of your brain is bull.


Stockholm Syndrome is where someone admiresor falls in love with their kidnapper. The most obvious thing I can point you to is Beauty and the Beast. Belle suffers from Stockholm Syndrome, regardless of the Beast treating her nicer later on.

I bet it is fascinating, but does pyschology help you to understand why people are thinking something? Well, this leads to nothing...


Okay, thanks. I am unsure if it offcially exists though, we have to see.


Did you like Stranger Things? I'd give it 10/10 points.

Lucy is in no case realistic, still I don't think it was a bad movie. Isn't it funny watching super humans? I think it is.


Beauty&Beast? I haven't watched that, but I get it.

Sometimes it does. There's not always a reason, but often there is.


From Echo Project's Fur Affinity comment, "1915 is an upcoming standalone prequel VN to Echo." It was posted a week ago so it hasn't been released yet.


I'd give it a... 7/10. The second season really lost me.

I know the second season was... strange. I was still able to enjoy it and the end made me exited to see more.


Another prequel? Why not Echo 2 or a sequel? It's like the past isn't completed, I know, but that doesn't mean they have to do _another_ prequel. I wish they'd just move on the story or Idk. Do you think that's how they should do it?


So, 10/10 for season 1 I suppose. That's fair I guess.

I still haven't played through it so I honestly can't answer that, but maybe they feel more background is needed to make sense or something. You said it's horror, so it's probably something like the 80's horror films where the previous generation did something and pissed off the wrong person. In the films you only get a glimpse of what happened, but maybe they want the readers to see what happened before and feel like they're there.