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So is your goal solving homelessness or building as much housing for everyone, who wants to move somewhere? Or even both? Also what exactly is your position and what is your stake in all of this?

Also can you post a picture of how a town should look like, cause I'm thinking more and more that you want everything to look like this:

As long as a few million want some housing in a city, better build more housing, right? And when those are housed and a few more millions want in, then build even more housing.

Maybe you want to go a bit further and increase density a bit more. How about this:

https://d34ad2g4hirisc.cloudfront.net/volunteer_positions/photos/000/007/972/original/2e0ef3cab808e5352cd6189b8f04b7da.jpg

https://www.avforums.com/styles/avf/editorial/block//c6c470b3a5838e750c136be795d0f0da_3x3.jpg

penguincascadia3 years ago (1 edit) (+6)

We can solve homelessness, lower rents, and enable people to easily move where they can get jobs or have family. As linked to in previous posts, building more housing immensely helps with that.

As discussed in a previous post, Paris has twice the population density of New York City, but they do it with mostly five story and below buildings:

So your argument about giant skyscrapers is false, because New York City can build the housing it needs without them and with just five story and below buildings like the ones above.

And both people in New York City and the people moving there generally support greater density as posted in a previous post, so we should give them what they want.

It should be noted that I've been talking about things like five story buildings and duplexes, yet you bring up skyscrapers when I never mentioned them. Not sure why you are doing this.

Ravery (Ravery.net)3 years ago(-1)

"It should be noted that I've been talking about things like five story buildings and duplexes, yet you bring up skyscrapers when I never mentioned them. Not sure why you are doing this."

I literally asked you what your goal is and whether you want to solve homelessness with your proposals, which you affirmed. Then you said that you want to build housing when there is demand of people wanting to get housing in a city. How many millions do you think you'll house with the buildings you've shown? And what will you do when another million wants to move to your city a year later. And then another million the year after that. And then another million. That's why you

That's why I'm saying that your "big numbers=good" worldview is bad. You can't simply match "whatever" demand by ever increasing supply, especially when one of the "problems" you seem to want to solve is affordability. (So if the new demand can't pay it, you'll have to reduce price even more by building even more housing.)

Anyway. I'm not sure why you are repeatedly bringing up Paris. Do you not know that e.g. the Banlieues exist? Maybe watch a documentary about those, just to remind yourself that not everything is like an upper-middle class downtown street in Paris.

penguincascadia3 years ago(+1)

As I already mentioned above, Paris achieves it's density mostly through low rise density.

The majority of Paris looks like this, but more middle class.

Paris has over 2.1 million people. It turns out these buildings can house them just fine.

Economists generally agree that building much more housing both lowers rents and meets demand: https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/new-apartment-buildings-low-income-ar...

Banlieues tend to exist in suburbs of cities in France. That's a strike against suburbs and for cities.

Ravery (Ravery.net)3 years ago(-1)

Let's have the conversation in the other comment chain.

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