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I've watched the videos and understand the benefits and appeal of VR, but none of that is really relevant, because all I wish is that VR games came with a non-VR mode so more people could enjoy them instead of watching *rich* people on youtube run around with gear on their heads, because that's pretty much the only audience right now. This is not a new concept. Loads of games offer options that "degrade" the experience just for the sake of making the 'experience' available to more people in general. This is why games have graphics options. "It's so much better in VR, though!" is a pretty weak reason.

If I was making a game, I'd want people to actually play it, not watch the YouTube videos just because that's the only place most people can experience VR right now. Maybe that's just me.

And I can't help but ask—if a game relies that much on VR for an enjoyable experience...is it really the game that people are watching, or the VR?

Mage_Enderman9 years ago(-1)

One thing I have to point out is some things can only be done in virtual reality maybe this game could work without it but some things(games etc) can ONLY work in vr and I thing Hideo Kojima said this best quote

"IGN: Do you like VR?

Kojima: I love VR! I would play it now but atm I have Death Stranding.

IGN: Out of the VR content so far, anything you particularly liked?

Kojima: Nothing yet that I've particularly liked, which is what makes me want to work on a VR game myself (laugh). I think it's a shame more people are not trying new ways to bring out ppl's emotions. While film is good for what film can do, games do what film can't, and VR again does it different. VR can make users feel in ways that was previously not possible, this is huge, yet no one is doing this! They see VR as an extension of traditional games, but I think it is not. ^{(延長線上, lit: extension of a straight line.})

IGN: You mean they should be focusing on things that can only be expressed in VR, and not just rehash traditional games?

Kojima: If I said what they should do, then people will just copy that thing, so I won't say it here (laugh). But I do think it's a real shame, here's a hint. 120 years ago, the Lumière brothers produced motion picture. This was done by flipping a screen encapsulated in a frame repeatedly to create the illusion of moving pictures. This culture of a screen encapsulated in a frame continued a 100 something years. And with it evolved the challenge of how to move people to laugh, to cry, to feel fear, by manipulating what's in the frame.
Kojima: But now with VR, there's no frame. There's no frame, and it's interactive. This opens up possibilities. You can do things that was previously impossible because of this frame. I would love to explore this area while no one is at it yet.

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TLDR "But now with VR, there's no frame."(That is the short version)

Crustyoldhuman9 years ago(-2)

What's your point? Kojima likes VR, so normal monitors have no more merit? That doesn't do anything to prove your point, it just reiterates it which is pointless.

The fact still remains that the large majority of consumers still ONLY have access to monitors. In addition to this, it's not that hard to convert a VR game to being played on a controller, so in my opinion it's not only stupid but a little unacceptable that developers don't include this feature more often so more people can play their games.

If the reason they do this is SERIOUSLY because they "don't want people to experience it in a non-ideal scenario!" then all I have to say to that is "waaaaaaahhhhhhhh!"

Did you hear James Cameron whining about people viewing Avatar in standard 2d? No. Because that would be dumb.

Have a good one!

morderkaine8 years ago

Would you also want a version of COD you could play on an iPhone? No, because the concept would not work on that medium and would lose all of its effect. A lot of VR games would be considered pretty basic and not very good on a 2D monitor, but playing them in VR is more fun than any monitor game.

Yeah you can slap basic keyboard and mouse controls into a VR game, but not all of them. Many are designed to specifically take advantage of the room scale and motion controls, and switching them to button presses and a mouse movement loses SO much. I am working on a game where you control a dragon and fly using your arms like wings - the entire point of the mechanic, to feel like your own arms are wings would be lost if it was done using a controller - at that point its the same as any other flight sim and has no originality.

Also for horror games like this, the immersion of VR is required. VR makes people when they get mobbed by enemies cry out and cower - this does not happen on a 2D monitor. In VR it is very difficult to walk off a cliff edge - easy on a monitor game. Hell a well known game Richies Plank is literally just walking along a wood plank sticking out a large building really high up - its scary in VR but literally shovelware on a monitor. Playing Dont Blink on a monitor instead of in VR would literally reduce the effect and feeling of the game by 90%, it's not worth it. People would say it sucks and leave bad reviews because they wouldn't realize they are only getting 10% of the effect - why would a developer put out such a neutered version?

Crustyoldhuman8 years ago (2 edits) (-1)

Comparing it an Iphone app is strawman argument.

At this point in time LOADS of VR games support both controllers AND VR mode.

So. It appears developers are agreeing with me.

Either jump on board, or don't.

No one is saying VR isn't supperior in certain contexts.

Once again, James Cameron didn't whine about people watching his movie in standard 2d, despite it being inferior. I literally don't understand what you're defending. I get you're a fan of VR. But just because VR is great doesn't mean developers should dismiss THE MAJORITY of players who can't afford a 600$ piece of equipment.

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