Just finished reading the recent build, and uhhh wow I feel like I took that punch to the gut myself at the end. spoilers for folx who havent read yet sooo--------------------
I was really excited to see what dark shit Cooper was hiding from Cyrus, I sort of have a weak spot for hunky guys with dark secrets (as many of us do, haha) but man was I blindsided by the twist. This is going to stick with me for a while, I find myself playing over all the time with Cooper in my head. It doesn't seem to line up. He was so kind, more so than he needed to be if Cyrus was just his ticket to early retirement. I felt what he said about connecting was genuine, even after feeling so betrayed. Just goes to show how compelling you wrote their dynamic, great stuff.
last thought, I am holding out some hope that things with Cooper, er, I guess Lance, are not as bad as they appear. We don't have enough information at this point to tell exactly whats going on, so a part of me hopes Lance set it up so Axel and his crew would find Cyrus.
I just finished the recent build and my chest is just tight :( That plot twist straight up blindsided me, the scene before I was literally tearing up because of how bittersweet it was. So conflicted right now
In the meantime, if you don't have an Android phone or some other PC running Windows or Mac, you could possibly try running it with Anbox on your machine. Anbox allows you to run Android apps on your Linux computer
I haven't tried it personally, so I can't say for sure this will run well on Anbox, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to try
I KNEW IT DAMMIT FKUBGLECGWUJHSBCVGKH THINGS WERE JUST TOO GOOD BIUW:VCUOYLHVSUYV LITERALLY MADE NO SENSE HOW HE CAN HAVE SUCH CRAPPY LIVING CONDITIONS AND RETIRE FROM ONE JOB DFIUVHFVCIULSKJNCOLAHCUI BEING VAGUE ABOUT THE TABLET PICTURE OF THE TEAM EGIUSBAISUCQOICBIOANC
I love a good plot twist...man it feels good when my theories unravel into truth
i cant lie i cant handle this right now...i was already sad and expected some happiness but wow. tumbled my mood 2x...i cried so hard cause he really trusted him. i can relate to that though, not the sold away part but yea..that feeling of betrayal, the feeling that all the memories were just fake. my heart. im gonna be in a gloomy mood for awhile now sigh. although i know theres gonna be more to it ..i feel like 'cooper' really had some genuine feelings at one point. right? its 2am and im heart broken .
The plot progression was growing a little bit stale in my opinion, but this update definitely took care of that and so much more. I'm very excited to see where things will go from here, it might be a great starting point for exciting events and character development, and not just for MC I would hope, assuming Coop is still around one way or another.
Was writing all this wrong? It took a while, partially because I'm not a native English speaker. I wanted to be honest, now I'm disappointed by the lack of feedback......
Serious spoilers ahead + theory and review
Read only after your own playthrough
This'll be a lot btw and hopefully enlightening in a way, also hopefully not too much of a "mumbo jumbo" (game reference)
Shortly before writing this an idea struck me about what might have happened, solidified and sparked by what is written above along with two more. From how strange everything seems as well as the words "...The only question is: what has become of it?" several theories came to mind: either the "new world" is in fact Cyrus' old world after after the apocalypse, he got saved from his old world because he's special, OR all of his old-world-memories are entirely fabricated. Basically everything is possible at this point in the story. We know way too little. Although, there's one last thing that strikes me as odd, the metal objects in Cyrus's back. Who else got them? Right, the people in The Matrix. Now I doubt he's literally in a simulation, but the thing about not feeling pain at all is also pretty strange to say the least. It's already been made obvious he's been in some crazy biology or chemistry experiments, perhaps the Lodestars are involved. He found his too easily, unless the plants feed on the energy stored inside that's why it was simply there.
However, I can't make heads or tails about why Cooper took him in, then sold him out for no apparant reason whatsoever as far as we know. And I won't lie, that angered me a lot. On to my next statement: I seriously hate this turn of events. The dynamic between Cooper/Lance/whatever and Cyrus is actually one of the greatest in the entire FVN world, even reminding me of another one in a story I'm currently reading, Arthur Leywin and Regis – The Beginning After the End.
If I could get some reassurance about Cooper's future role... Otherwise I'll just pretend this read never happened. I guess? Once I read an insanely complex and extremely thrilling story, but everyone dies in the end, including the protagonist. Even though the scenarios are different, you can kind of compare the two. The thing is what happened in Anders was a type of closure, albeit a terrible one. Unfortunately in case of Remember the Flowers, we will likely constantly think about 'Cooper', and if the protagonist will unite with him again, the next few updates long. I do highly doubt we've seen the "yellow triangles" for the last time, but "who's to say"? Well, he showed us his goods, Damion didn't who we don't know much about, yet at least, so we thankfully can't connect to him very well... Though now even Cooper's former gang joined the fray, with sprites no less...
I'd appreciate if someone could tell me what the (only) in game song is called, it's really awsome. The sprites are pretty amazing too, even if not the most detailed ever. They're pretty expressfull and the beastmen are cute. The story was already enough to keep me captivated, probably partially because it feels weirdly convoluted. Maybe the reason why is we know next to nothing and therefore have to think so much. Basically everything screams conspiracy.
I truly want to see more, more of Cooper too. I don't dare judge him without knowing the "why", too biased towards him, hopefully not for naught. But I have a hard time pinpointing what exactly my feelings/thoughts for Remember the Flowers are. On the one side of the spectrum, I adore it, the other side tells me to stay skeptical for now, like Cyrus is curious yet cautious toward the world around him. Last but not least, on that note, would be great if he could answer other than with "Okay" all the time. Heh
The "protagonist is unconscious but the reader's not" trick at the end was a smart cliffhanger and kinda clever to get little more information across. Nicely done.
No matter, despite my rambling I wish you all the helping hands needed and for this VN to blow off. It has tons of potential and the exceptional writing is showing quality & quantity – not just saying that. Seriously, good luck finishing the game! (Is there a Patreon build? I'm interested)
You asked for the name of the only in-game song, but the games files include thirteen songs (Or twelve and one duplicate). If you want to find it though, just take a look in the 'game' folder and then the 'audio' folder.
Paralytic Insomnia by David Hilowitz and Anoitecer by Guifrog are the most song-like, so its probably one of those that you are thinking of.
Guess I made a bit of a fool of myself. Not sure why I didn't notice any other, except the title song. You're right, I'll have to check the files for sureproof. Thanks for reminding me.
then what about his headaches, we know that they dont come out at random(well sometimes) but the components or (something) are connect to the his spine and all the way i think to the head? which leads to a medical disease called CIPA(congenital insensitivity to pain) but the problem with that is he feels pain on the head only, no where else?
unless the components are making him feel pain only on the brain no where else just the brain? idk about this but its a theory .......... kinda? but its stretch.
Ahh yes, they're strange too. Your insight raises more questions. Well, that's the reason why I wrote "at this point everything is possible, because we know too little". Yet another theory would be the headaches have to do with his amnesia.
For right now, I think we're better off just betting on the fact that what's happening is real. I know it seems strange to think that he just got there somehow, but he is remembering things about (a) life. Whether they are real or fake, we aren't exactly far enough into the story to know anything yet...if you think about it, all we got was a flashback or two of Damion and "character development" of Cyrus and Cooper. This update was kind of a big "haha you really thought" moment, and we are once again left in a situation where we don't know the people around us. There are no answers except "I got scammed".
The "I don't know how I got here moment" is standard isekai, although most retain their memories after transportation/reincarnation etc.
I doubt that what's happening is fake or in Cyrus' head, it seems too real and wouldn't make sense unless explained properly.
Aside from Damion there was their or Cyrus' (girl) friend, whatever her name was, in the flashbacks as well.
We've most definitely not seen "Cooper" for the last time, the time they spent together contained too many emotions and too much information to just end right then and there. It's been, as you say, character development, perhaps even growth but without a doubt did they bond.
For more speculations we need to have presented more puzzle pieces.
My speculation is : that "Cooper" called the crew at the end to rescue MC, after seeing his back while still on the train... It's unclear why he thought what he was doing was somehow justified to begin with, but seeing the metal pieces seemed to shock and upset him, and it was mentioned that he was writting angrily on his gizmo after that. (I think he only realised at that moment that he was "lied to" about how people like the MC are treated at the place or something, but was too deep in the situation already to make a 360 change of course....so he made the best out of his situation....getting some of the money as well.... ) I'm almost positive he will be back close to immediately as an ally.
On another note, I don't think the memories MC has are fabricated. Habitants of the "new world" for example, use swear words from the MC's world, while they themsleves don't even know where said swears originated from in the first palce .Now....This point can only be considered valid , if we can take what "Cooper" said about this as the truth...and i think we can...in order for him to be able to lie so casually about this, or feeling the need to even lie about it... IF MC is indeed living a simulation.... Then "Cooper" must be aware of the "simulations" in great detail, which would require him to be an agent of "the bad guys" instead of a third party delivery boy, as well as seeing the MC being connected to a machine at least once , and that just can't be the case. (1 His reaction to seeing the MC's back was genuen, as it completely changed his mood going forward...2 he has a kind of bad relationship with the "bad guys" met at the end....)I think it's safe to say he was just in need of easy money, and didn't ask as many questions as he should have, taking his jobs......I believe MC was simply kept in a hibernation of some sort (for whatever reason) possibly indicated by MC's long white hair. Perhaps he was kept in a liquid and it dyed his hair?
Manically screaming crying throwing up ripping out hair chewing down nails ripping off cuticle skin sobbing hysterically scratching biting jumping out of a building punching kicking hissing slapping yelling shaking cursing tearing up
Holy shit!!! it has been one of the most intense updates and with very unexpected twists, now I have quite a few questions that will have to wait until the next update to be answered. A truly excellent job.
Oh my GOD! I'm refusing to believe Cooper just did that out of bad intentions. There's something we're missing. I'm literally going to cry if Coop turns out to be a bad guy.
I don't think Lance did it out of bad intentions, but rather something that he has to do in his line of work. It might not be the last time we see him too considering he'll only get half of his payment "if" we reach Resoom.
Wonder how would everything unfold when we met him agai
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Just finished reading the recent build, and uhhh wow I feel like I took that punch to the gut myself at the end. spoilers for folx who havent read yet sooo--------------------
I was really excited to see what dark shit Cooper was hiding from Cyrus, I sort of have a weak spot for hunky guys with dark secrets (as many of us do, haha) but man was I blindsided by the twist. This is going to stick with me for a while, I find myself playing over all the time with Cooper in my head. It doesn't seem to line up. He was so kind, more so than he needed to be if Cyrus was just his ticket to early retirement. I felt what he said about connecting was genuine, even after feeling so betrayed. Just goes to show how compelling you wrote their dynamic, great stuff.
last thought, I am holding out some hope that things with Cooper, er, I guess Lance, are not as bad as they appear. We don't have enough information at this point to tell exactly whats going on, so a part of me hopes Lance set it up so Axel and his crew would find Cyrus.
I just finished the recent build and my chest is just tight :( That plot twist straight up blindsided me, the scene before I was literally tearing up because of how bittersweet it was. So conflicted right now
I want cooper dead
Ok, thats going a bit far on the hate, he does deserve some bad things, death just isn't on the list
Simp
you aren't wrong, but alot of us simp for the guy
late but
what the ✨fuck✨ just fucking ✨happn'd
Pls make it on linux pls
Ayy, a fellow Linux user lol
In the meantime, if you don't have an Android phone or some other PC running Windows or Mac, you could possibly try running it with Anbox on your machine. Anbox allows you to run Android apps on your Linux computer
I haven't tried it personally, so I can't say for sure this will run well on Anbox, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to try
I read tennis ace, I bet this is golden novel as well! Keep up with your work. Also, I wish I can donate, but I am tight on budget. So keep it up!
This VN is so good
I look forward to the next update :)
And I know Lance did something wrong
but i hope MC and Lance can be a couple in a future updates
Hope you don't mind if I ask when there's a new update
Going to try and push out the next Patreon by Christmas!
Spoiler
I'm liking Axel, he seems chill and I'm starting to dislike co- I mean Lance because of what he did to Cyrus.
hmm ooh, I... forgot about that oh well its okay white haired or furred characters are my bias anyway
I think it's Aaron
spoilers here!
i love how cooper went 'gaslight girlboss gatekeep' /s
Gatekeep, gatekeep, girlboss, gatekeep, girlboss, bossgirl
Well damn, I'm hooked on this game!!! I was really feeling Cooper.
hoo boy you’re in for some mess
Thanks keep up the fantastic job!!!!
spoilers?
I KNEW IT DAMMIT FKUBGLECGWUJHSBCVGKH THINGS WERE JUST TOO GOOD BIUW:VCUOYLHVSUYV LITERALLY MADE NO SENSE HOW HE CAN HAVE SUCH CRAPPY LIVING CONDITIONS AND RETIRE FROM ONE JOB DFIUVHFVCIULSKJNCOLAHCUI BEING VAGUE ABOUT THE TABLET PICTURE OF THE TEAM EGIUSBAISUCQOICBIOANC
I love a good plot twist...man it feels good when my theories unravel into truth
i cant lie i cant handle this right now...i was already sad and expected some happiness but wow. tumbled my mood 2x...i cried so hard cause he really trusted him. i can relate to that though, not the sold away part but yea..that feeling of betrayal, the feeling that all the memories were just fake. my heart. im gonna be in a gloomy mood for awhile now sigh. although i know theres gonna be more to it ..i feel like 'cooper' really had some genuine feelings at one point. right? its 2am and im heart broken .
crying, throwing up, mad
The plot progression was growing a little bit stale in my opinion, but this update definitely took care of that and so much more. I'm very excited to see where things will go from here, it might be a great starting point for exciting events and character development, and not just for MC I would hope, assuming Coop is still around one way or another.
This definitely isn't the last Cooper only got half his cash so you know he coming for the rest
Amicus: I will protect you until you are ready
Ranok: I will keep you warm until you are ready
Lyall: I will carry you until you are ready
Cooper: FLY BITCH
This is a little too accurate and I love it
Cooper: I ain't no helicopter lover. Sink or swim, bitch!
I knew Cooper was up to something, but I didn't expect it play out like that, I- 🥲
Copper: "Oh man, I'm gonna get paid so much for selling you to my client. I might just retire."
Cyrus: "Aw, he wants to be my friend :3"
Copper: *sells him out like he said he would
Cyrus: :0
LITERALLY LIKE AT THAT POINT I WAS LIKE "oh hell no something bouta go down"
Is there an estimate for when the hiatus will be over?
Is that true? Now I'm disappointed.
Assets for the new arc are starting to be made. We shouldn't expect anything sooner than 2022.
Was writing all this wrong? It took a while, partially because I'm not a native English speaker. I wanted to be honest, now I'm disappointed by the lack of feedback......
Serious spoilers ahead + theory and review
Read only after your own playthrough
This'll be a lot btw and hopefully enlightening in a way, also hopefully not too much of a "mumbo jumbo" (game reference)
Shortly before writing this an idea struck me about what might have happened, solidified and sparked by what is written above along with two more. From how strange everything seems as well as the words "...The only question is: what has become of it?" several theories came to mind: either the "new world" is in fact Cyrus' old world after after the apocalypse, he got saved from his old world because he's special, OR all of his old-world-memories are entirely fabricated. Basically everything is possible at this point in the story. We know way too little. Although, there's one last thing that strikes me as odd, the metal objects in Cyrus's back. Who else got them? Right, the people in The Matrix. Now I doubt he's literally in a simulation, but the thing about not feeling pain at all is also pretty strange to say the least. It's already been made obvious he's been in some crazy biology or chemistry experiments, perhaps the Lodestars are involved. He found his too easily, unless the plants feed on the energy stored inside that's why it was simply there.
However, I can't make heads or tails about why Cooper took him in, then sold him out for no apparant reason whatsoever as far as we know. And I won't lie, that angered me a lot. On to my next statement: I seriously hate this turn of events. The dynamic between Cooper/Lance/whatever and Cyrus is actually one of the greatest in the entire FVN world, even reminding me of another one in a story I'm currently reading, Arthur Leywin and Regis – The Beginning After the End.
If I could get some reassurance about Cooper's future role... Otherwise I'll just pretend this read never happened. I guess? Once I read an insanely complex and extremely thrilling story, but everyone dies in the end, including the protagonist. Even though the scenarios are different, you can kind of compare the two. The thing is what happened in Anders was a type of closure, albeit a terrible one. Unfortunately in case of Remember the Flowers, we will likely constantly think about 'Cooper', and if the protagonist will unite with him again, the next few updates long. I do highly doubt we've seen the "yellow triangles" for the last time, but "who's to say"? Well, he showed us his goods, Damion didn't who we don't know much about, yet at least, so we thankfully can't connect to him very well... Though now even Cooper's former gang joined the fray, with sprites no less...
I'd appreciate if someone could tell me what the (only) in game song is called, it's really awsome. The sprites are pretty amazing too, even if not the most detailed ever. They're pretty expressfull and the beastmen are cute. The story was already enough to keep me captivated, probably partially because it feels weirdly convoluted. Maybe the reason why is we know next to nothing and therefore have to think so much. Basically everything screams conspiracy.
I truly want to see more, more of Cooper too. I don't dare judge him without knowing the "why", too biased towards him, hopefully not for naught. But I have a hard time pinpointing what exactly my feelings/thoughts for Remember the Flowers are. On the one side of the spectrum, I adore it, the other side tells me to stay skeptical for now, like Cyrus is curious yet cautious toward the world around him. Last but not least, on that note, would be great if he could answer other than with "Okay" all the time. Heh
The "protagonist is unconscious but the reader's not" trick at the end was a smart cliffhanger and kinda clever to get little more information across. Nicely done.
No matter, despite my rambling I wish you all the helping hands needed and for this VN to blow off. It has tons of potential and the exceptional writing is showing quality & quantity – not just saying that. Seriously, good luck finishing the game! (Is there a Patreon build? I'm interested)
You asked for the name of the only in-game song, but the games files include thirteen songs (Or twelve and one duplicate). If you want to find it though, just take a look in the 'game' folder and then the 'audio' folder.
Paralytic Insomnia by David Hilowitz and Anoitecer by Guifrog are the most song-like, so its probably one of those that you are thinking of.
Guess I made a bit of a fool of myself. Not sure why I didn't notice any other, except the title song. You're right, I'll have to check the files for sureproof. Thanks for reminding me.
then what about his headaches, we know that they dont come out at random(well sometimes) but the components or (something) are connect to the his spine and all the way i think to the head? which leads to a medical disease called CIPA(congenital insensitivity to pain) but the problem with that is he feels pain on the head only, no where else?
unless the components are making him feel pain only on the brain no where else just the brain? idk about this but its a theory .......... kinda? but its stretch.
Ahh yes, they're strange too. Your insight raises more questions. Well, that's the reason why I wrote "at this point everything is possible, because we know too little". Yet another theory would be the headaches have to do with his amnesia.
For right now, I think we're better off just betting on the fact that what's happening is real. I know it seems strange to think that he just got there somehow, but he is remembering things about (a) life. Whether they are real or fake, we aren't exactly far enough into the story to know anything yet...if you think about it, all we got was a flashback or two of Damion and "character development" of Cyrus and Cooper. This update was kind of a big "haha you really thought" moment, and we are once again left in a situation where we don't know the people around us. There are no answers except "I got scammed".
The "I don't know how I got here moment" is standard isekai, although most retain their memories after transportation/reincarnation etc.
I doubt that what's happening is fake or in Cyrus' head, it seems too real and wouldn't make sense unless explained properly.
Aside from Damion there was their or Cyrus' (girl) friend, whatever her name was, in the flashbacks as well.
We've most definitely not seen "Cooper" for the last time, the time they spent together contained too many emotions and too much information to just end right then and there. It's been, as you say, character development, perhaps even growth but without a doubt did they bond.
For more speculations we need to have presented more puzzle pieces.
My speculation is : that "Cooper" called the crew at the end to rescue MC, after seeing his back while still on the train... It's unclear why he thought what he was doing was somehow justified to begin with, but seeing the metal pieces seemed to shock and upset him, and it was mentioned that he was writting angrily on his gizmo after that. (I think he only realised at that moment that he was "lied to" about how people like the MC are treated at the place or something, but was too deep in the situation already to make a 360 change of course....so he made the best out of his situation....getting some of the money as well.... ) I'm almost positive he will be back close to immediately as an ally.
On another note, I don't think the memories MC has are fabricated. Habitants of the "new world" for example, use swear words from the MC's world, while they themsleves don't even know where said swears originated from in the first palce .Now....This point can only be considered valid , if we can take what "Cooper" said about this as the truth...and i think we can...in order for him to be able to lie so casually about this, or feeling the need to even lie about it... IF MC is indeed living a simulation.... Then "Cooper" must be aware of the "simulations" in great detail, which would require him to be an agent of "the bad guys" instead of a third party delivery boy, as well as seeing the MC being connected to a machine at least once , and that just can't be the case. (1 His reaction to seeing the MC's back was genuen, as it completely changed his mood going forward...2 he has a kind of bad relationship with the "bad guys" met at the end....)I think it's safe to say he was just in need of easy money, and didn't ask as many questions as he should have, taking his jobs......I believe MC was simply kept in a hibernation of some sort (for whatever reason) possibly indicated by MC's long white hair. Perhaps he was kept in a liquid and it dyed his hair?Who wants to cry with me?
We haven't seen them for the last time. I'm sure.
New Husbando - Axel
Damion → Cooper → Axel → ???
Yeah, I sure hope not. But it'd be a fresh take on the isekai and reincarnation genre at the slightest least.
I really dont think that Cooper is a bad guy. There has to be more that we dont know
I agree, his feelings seemed genuine. It's most likely the case that he has no choice for whatever reason.
Just maybe Cooper send messages to his old teammates. To save him.. Then he can get the money and be out of trouble......
Manically screaming crying throwing up ripping out hair chewing down nails ripping off cuticle skin sobbing hysterically scratching biting jumping out of a building punching kicking hissing slapping yelling shaking cursing tearing up
inginginginginginginginginginging
i got a question? will there ever be a drawing background to this?
dang plot twist and breaking hearts. ill be in my bed crying if you need me.
me after read build5: 👁👄👁
im gonna go cry for a few hours
Holy shit!!! it has been one of the most intense updates and with very unexpected twists, now I have quite a few questions that will have to wait until the next update to be answered. A truly excellent job.
My brain feels like it's running on Windows XP after I read this update.
Also p a i n
This pain is going to stick for a while... damn.
Cooper!Please tell me it's not real!
"Cooper" :(
my brain's still loading from what the FUCK just happened
It keeps saying "app not installed" when I try to download the update on Android.
This has happened before, I believe. It might require a reinstall of the app itself
I wanna cry ughhhh I got wayy too attached
with no sleep and very little processing ability i think i can see where its going or its much more complicated then my brain will allow
Goddamn .. that was frustrating
I hope Lance sleeps well tonight, knowing he just sent Cyrus to a party where he's going to be the pinata.
Cant wait for chapter 2.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. There's more going on here than meets the eye. 🤔🤔🤔
What an update! No wonder you said it was an important build for you.
Right I read that and was like "oh damn what's gonna happen"
Oh my GOD! I'm refusing to believe Cooper just did that out of bad intentions. There's something we're missing. I'm literally going to cry if Coop turns out to be a bad guy.
I don't think Lance did it out of bad intentions, but rather something that he has to do in his line of work. It might not be the last time we see him too considering he'll only get half of his payment "if" we reach Resoom.
Wonder how would everything unfold when we met him agai