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anttihaavikko12 days ago (1 edit)

Haha, that L name made me groan due to UI breaking and went to add a trim for name on server side. And after I managed to do that and also fix the broken geolocation solving due to my server host having done some changes, I see that you also managed to break the UI with too big scores. Hey at least it didn't go integer overflow! 😅

But yeah, 4 days wasn't really enough to do proper balancing. Especially considering there was always other (more fun) things to focus on like doing art, audio or adding new stuff.

example loop (just a string of one tiles going around with a hole in the middle)
❇️❇️❇️❇️
❇️🅱️🅱️❇️
❇️❇️❇️❇️

example cross (one in middle and straights to any dir from that)
🅱️❇️🅱️🅱️
❇️❇️❇️❇️
🅱️❇️🅱️🅱️

example square (same width and height)
❇️❇️
❇️❇️

And for the booster one that enhances others, they are always just increasing/doubling the amount/multiplier on the target and the effect is shown in the effected tooltip. So like this would normally be double but it's upgraded to triple due to the neighbouring booster.


And I already added alt ways to rotate (just in place click without drag, Q/E A/D left/right while holding and second finger tap on touch screen) for the post-jam version.

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anttihaavikko12 days ago (1 edit)

I also don't get it why your scores show up multiple times. It should only show the best for each player (name changes don't matter, it uses random generated unique id). 🤔

Never mind, it looks like indeed did take names to account too which I changed now to how it should have been. I'm pretty sure it was like that earlier, I've been using this same leaderboards on all my games and it used to behave so that even changing the name afterwards and doing a "bad run" would update your name for existing top scores.

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rutbny12 days ago (1 edit)

yeah i'm so sorry about the long name - it was my first run i didn't expect anything and i was just seeing how big i could make my name and thought it was funny when i was playing buhahaha

yeah, still doesn't answer all my questions, and i could ask you more - but mainly i explain to communicate to you that i couldn't intuit what was going on via the text alone, some sort of visual indication or explanation would have helped me understand while playing is all (something like showing example loops on hover, highlighting the outline of each loop when breaking a combo, things like that)

oh and also at some point it said quintuple but i only had one of those strength things, was that a bug?

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anttihaavikko12 days ago

Yeah, probably would make more sense to include examples like the ones I put here to explain the shapes on the tooltips themselves.

The multis go double -> triple -> quadruple -> 5x -> etc so definitely no quintuple anywhere. But even if it was quad with just one booster, I guess that might have been a bug. But boosters also affect other boosters so you could go booster -> booster -> multi and end up with quad even if it only had on direct neighbouring booster.

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rutbny12 days ago

i meant quadruple my bad !! * it was during the "missing head equipment curse" - maybe the booster saw itself as adjacent after the head equipment was removed or something?

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rutbny12 days ago (1 edit)

this was the setup - the cross item on the left and the head itemsaid quadruple i think

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anttihaavikko12 days ago

Haha, looking at the code now it seems like booster is completely broken. Every time you add an item it evaluates the stats for them all but doesn't actually reset the previous ones so it just keeps applying again and again. That explains a bit how your score got THAT bonkers. 😅

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rutbny12 days ago

well, honestly what i did was abuse 2x planter, my entire board was practically minimum 5x score tiles, i spent the whole game doing 2x combos with the planters to farm for multiplier tiles, i used the wildcard to make it two colors that were doing planter stuff to farm much harder, i had basically zero score until the very final combo, the entire score was done on the last level where i made one giant combo to finish it off on top of all the x10, x13,x15,x8,x9,, panels across the board: big number happens

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anttihaavikko11 days ago

Right right, that seems ridiculously exponential scaling in comparison to everything else. I guess at least adding the area bonuses together instead of multiplying them wouldn't make it quite as ridiculous. 🤔

I added these for the post-jam version, I guess these would at least help a bit? Any other weird things you didn't quite understand I could try to improve for the next version?


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rutbny10 days ago (1 edit)

those do really help yeah!

me and my friend who was watching could not for the lives of us figure out how much damage the traps were supposed to deal, if i could take a guess it would be the round number or something? but otherwise there was no indication.... lost a few runs to saying "yeah i could probbs spring a trap and be okay" - i could not

i had NO IDEA what finesse could mean in the slightest "receive no bonus" is not text on any relic many would ever willingly decide to pick up - in other words i don't know why the text is relevant to me
i don't know why i would care about "scoring closed areas in reverse order" either.. we don't know enough about the way scoring works for this to make any sense..

most other relics were self explanatory, maybe the "preview the next upcoming curse" relic is confusing to me but not comprehensionally, just contextually; again, you aren't given any resources to prepare for a curse more or less, so knowing one that's coming doesnt help so much, but even so it took me a while before i even knew where curses came from, i hadn't seen anything that gave me curses, so i really couldn't gauge it at all

(uhm, and this one is maybe just a bit unfortunate, but the first time i played the game i was putting the equipment i got in the hand slots then head first, and came to expect the sprite changes and orbs.... and then i put an equipment on the one slot below the torso and it didn't change the sprite! which was very humorous to me; "where did it go?" i asked., on a later run i later noticed my guy had a tail, it might be worth to always give out a tail or something to avoid this unfortunate question)

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anttihaavikko10 days ago

Thanks a ton for these, they really help me pinpoint what descriptions need to be given some thought to make them clearer! ❤️

Traps indeed do damage equal to the level number. I guess it'd be nice to show it somehow to leave out the guesswork.

Finesse and Broken Chains indeed need knowledge on how the scoring happens to really evaluate. So you've probably noticed that when an area is scored, the size of it becomes the base multiplier for the next scored area. And the areas are always scored from smallest to largest. So with Broken Chains, the order is reversed and by scoring the biggest area first, you have more control on what multiplier it uses (as often you'll also close some smaller areas at the same time). Finesse in same way skips the adding x2 multi for those small (often accidental/forced) areas and lets you keep the previous bigger multiplier.

The curse preview was indeed intended as a way to see what the curse on the 12th level would be so you could prepare for it a bit. But I think it's even more useful for checking whether the next cursed fork item would be a "safe" item to take. But yeah, would probably help if there were more ways to prepare for the upcoming curse.

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